Science already knows the magic of gravity

Kittamaru said:
I did a little digging... apparently, we are wrong: Critical Balance IS a term:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.3488
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http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.3488
Weird.
I wonder how that didn't come up when I searched yesterday.
Regardless, it's bugger all to do with what TC is talking about.
(On the other hand I can see him introducing the terms "nonlinear interaction time scales" and "universal scaling conjecture" into his bullshit at some point in the near future).
 
Kittamaru said:
Again, that is balancing buoyancy against mass... "critical balance" is not a term, at least not in what you are describing.

I did a little digging... apparently, we are wrong: Critical Balance IS a term:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.3488



http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~kunz/Site/PCTS_files/Modeling rotating and stratified turbulence/Schekochihin.pdf
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Well my definition of use is different to that, if I had a 1kg weight on a set of scales and lifted the 1 kg upwards without the object leaving the scales I can lift it to a critical balance of zero on the scales, a normal force of zero.
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
Well my definition of use is different to that, if I had a 1kg weight on a set of scales and lifted the 1 kg upwards without the object leaving the scales I can lift it to a critical balance of zero on the scales, a normal force of zero.
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That is not a Critical Balance... you CANNOT just recreate the meaning of words/phrases at will... why do you not grasp that concept?

By comparing an object to a 1kg weight on a scale, you are equalizing it against the 1kg weight... in other words, you are "balancing" it. That is not "critical balance".
 
Kittamaru said:
That is not a Critical Balance... you CANNOT just recreate the meaning of words/phrases at will... why do you not grasp that concept?

By comparing an object to a 1kg weight on a scale, you are equalizing it against the 1kg weight... in other words, you are "balancing" it. That is not "critical balance".
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I am not balancing it, I am lifting it, the weight is transferred to me. I am critically balancing the critical mass against the force of gravity to remove all surface pressure on the scales of the object,

I have to put in energy.
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
I am not balancing it, I am lifting it, the weight is transferred to me. I am critically balancing the critical mass against the force of gravity to remove all surface pressure on the scales of the object,
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You are balancing the critical mass...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass

A critical mass is the smallest amount of fissile material needed for a sustained nuclear chain reaction. The critical mass of a fissionable material depends upon its nuclear properties (specifically, thenuclear fissioncross-section), its density, its shape, its enrichment, its purity, its temperature, and its surroundings. The concept is important in nuclear weapon design.

Okay... after some additional google-fu, I think I know what the hell our problem is...

You are using the terms "Critically balanced" and "critical mass"... as near as I can tell, these ARE legitimate terms in regards to Carp Rig creation...

http://www.chubfishing.com/cache/files/8732-1308050766/DaveSpringallArticle-TotalCarp.pdf
There are two main advantages to using critically balanced hook baits, the fi rst being from purely a presentation perspective. A light, slow-sinking bait is always going to settle much better on a silty, weedy or choddy lake bed. This is of great importance because these types of areas are the ones most anglers shy away from but, more often than not, where the carp are to be found.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardner-Tackle-Critical-Mass-Rig-Putty-Carp-Fishing-/150620031244
Gardner Tackle Critical Mass Rig Putty Carp Fishing

So... in this instance, they are using "critically balanced" for some unknown term - I cannot find a concrete definition on what they are using it for.
Critical Mass is a BRAND of Rig Putty used in weighting the line.

TC, you have my apologies - as I am not a fisherman, I was not aware of this usage of these words.

That said... in the scientific community, they have VASTLY different meanings for Critical Mass (see above) and "Critically Balanced" is used in Magnetohydrodynamics ONLY.

We weren't just misunderstanding each other... we were talking two different zip codes entirely...
 
Kittamaru said:
You are balancing the critical mass...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass

A critical mass is the smallest amount of fissile material needed for a sustained nuclear chain reaction. The critical mass of a fissionable material depends upon its nuclear properties (specifically, thenuclear fissioncross-section), its density, its shape, its enrichment, its purity, its temperature, and its surroundings. The concept is important in nuclear weapon design.

Okay... after some additional google-fu, I think I know what the hell our problem is...

You are using the terms "Critically balanced" and "critical mass"... as near as I can tell, these ARE legitimate terms in regards to Carp Rig creation...

http://www.chubfishing.com/cache/files/8732-1308050766/DaveSpringallArticle-TotalCarp.pdf


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gardner-Tackle-Critical-Mass-Rig-Putty-Carp-Fishing-/150620031244
Gardner Tackle Critical Mass Rig Putty Carp Fishing

So... in this instance, they are using "critically balanced" for some unknown term - I cannot find a concrete definition on what they are using it for.
Critical Mass is a BRAND of Rig Putty used in weighting the line.

TC, you have my apologies - as I am not a fisherman, I was not aware of this usage of these words.

That said... in the scientific community, they have VASTLY different meanings for Critical Mass (see above) and "Critically Balanced" is used in Magnetohydrodynamics ONLY.

We weren't just misunderstanding each other... we were talking two different zip codes entirely...
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No worries , I think we often mean two different things, carp fishing has a science , the science of carp fishing.

Although we have two different meanings, I hope you now see my definition of use.

The problem is I mean both definitions sometimes, because most of my ideas have no actual definition.

I am saying that if I lift a 1 kg mass I can suspend it at an exact equilibrium to zero on a set of scales without the mass leaving the scales, sort of floating above the scales by my own hand.

I have to apply 9.81n of force from my self to lift the object where my body then is at a constant energy loss to the lift equal to 9.81n of force.
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
No worries , I think we often mean two different things, carp fishing has a science , the science of carp fishing.

Although we have two different meanings, I hope you now see my definition of use.

The problem is I mean both definitions sometimes, because most of my ideas have no actual definition.

I am saying that if I lift a 1 kg mass I can suspend it at an exact equilibrium to zero on a set of scales without the mass leaving the scales, sort of floating above the scales by my own hand.

I have to apply 9.81n of force from my self to lift the object where my body then is at a constant energy loss to the lift equal to 9.81n of force.
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The energy expended is proportional to the work exerted - http://www.physicsclassroom.com/calcpad/energy

Okay, so now that that all is cleared up... I have no idea where the scales explanation originated from anymore 0_o
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
The idea of Psuedo is so amateurs can express their ideas without having to justify their limited knowledge
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No, the idea of pseudo is to discuss pseudoscientific ideas. A discussion involves two sides. If you just want compliments, go to emergencycompliments.com. If you want to just write up your woo, then write it in a file and save it. If you want to DISCUSS it then post it here - but then it will be DISCUSSED. And if it is woo, that will be pointed out.

A scientist with true knowledge may just click onto something, the poster understands enough to have the idea, but could never advance on the idea or look at the idea in great depth knowing all the maths.
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Absolutely. However, you are not that poster. You don't understand enough to be right; you barely understand enough to be wrong.
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
No, you are saying that picking up a heavy object expends no energy from the human body
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No. I am saying that holding an object stationary requires no energy. Nothing about the human body. If you replace your body with a table, the table expends no energy holding up the heavy object.
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
No, you are saying that picking up a heavy object expends no energy from the human body, why do we tire then when heavy lifting and weaken?
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He is correct - the energy expended is dependent on the distance traveled (excluding situations where you are unable to move it due to it exceeding your muscular output). The energy required to move an object zero distance is, well, zero.
 
Kittamaru said:
He is correct - the energy expended is dependent on the distance traveled (excluding situations where you are unable to move it due to it exceeding your muscular output). The energy required to move an object zero distance is, well, zero.
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You are not moving the object zero distance you are lifting the object a micro distance.
 
theorist-constant12345 said:
You are not moving the object zero distance you are lifting the object a micro distance.
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Then the energy expended would correlate to the distance lifted. Without knowing the exact figures (weight, distance moved, etc) it's impossible to tell the exact energy used.
 
Kittamaru said:
Then the energy expended would correlate to the distance lifted. Without knowing the exact figures (weight, distance moved, etc) it's impossible to tell the exact energy used.
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The weight starts at 9.81n with a 1kg mass, the distance moved can me measured by using a spring and record the crest movement of the spring or a ruler would work and see how far the pan rises on the ruler to get 0.
 
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