SciContest! Why can't matter be made of photons?

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Except, he has been an advocator of the theory for a great deal longer than us. In fact, before both me and yourself had been born.
 
I remember less than a year ago i proclaimed that all matter was but differential forms of trapped light.

Do you know what happened to it? Ben was just elected a mod here, and he sent it to pseudoscience, like he sends all my work, well... near enough everything.

Do i deserve it? I don't think i do. Since Vern has been saying matter is but trapped photons, which he calls the ''Photon Theory,'' for about 40 years, he deserves it over me, you, or anyone, for that matter.
 
Reiku said:
Since Vern has been saying matter is but trapped photons, which he calls the ''Photon Theory,'' for about 40 years, he deserves it over me, you, or anyone, for that matter.
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Yes, someone who claims that such a "theory" explains everything, how matter is "but trapped photons(??!!?)" certainly deserves something.

Something equivalent to the amount of supporting evidence and argument they've been so considerate about posting, to fill in those conceptual gaps for us ignorant mortals. Which amounts to: 40 years of zip.
 
I find it curious, that someone can profess loyalty to something so vague as to be essentially devoid of meaning or content?
Faith is a mysterious beast to be sure, an' all, Jim.
 
Vkothii said:
Of what "theory" is that then? I must have missed it, did he introduce a theory somewhere?
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I have been careful not to call my concepts a theory. They are not. As far as I can tell, the idea of a photon-only universe began with Maxwell, and Einstein spent about half of his creative life working to develop it into a theory, and failed.
 
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As far as I can tell, the idea of a photon-only universe began with Maxwell, and Einstein spent about half of his creative life working to develop it into a theory, and failed.
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But Maxwell didn't have any such idea (as far as I can tell), Einstein didn't either. No-one else has ever said they were developing any such thing. Perhaps you have misunderstood what they were doing?

I'd say you will not be able to find (and you've been looking at this for how long?) any evidence anywhere, that either of these people were trying to develop a "photon-only universe" theory. Not from anything they ever said or wrote, anyway.
 
Kalster said:
Vern, do you have some kind of write-up of your speculations I could read? Sounds interesting.
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Yes; but I promised BenTheMan I would avoid discussing them here. At the top of my Blog you will find links to a lot of stuff I've written. I'll start a thread in which folks can beat me up so that we don't ruin this thread :)
 
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But Maxwell didn't have any such idea (as far as I can tell), Einstein didn't either.
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Hi Vkothii; I think this is the third time I furnished this reference. I'm trying to amend my habits so that I don't seem too assertive, but it seems to me that the reference shows that Einstein's Unified Field theory was an electromagnetic construct for the universe.

Edit: A portion of the quote below is highlighted in the article link. You can find it in the linked article by scanning rapidly down looking for the bold highlighted text.

Einstein: Source of the quote
Thus it happened that the goal of erecting a pure electromagnetic
field theory of matter remained unattained for the time being,
although in principle no objection could be raised against the
possibility of reaching such a goal. The thing which deterred
one in any further attempt in this direction was the lack of any
systematic method leading to the solution. What appears certain
to me, however, is that, in the foundations of any consistent
field theory, there shall not be, in addition to the concept
of field, any concept concerning particles. The whole theory must
be based solely on partial differential equations and their
singularity-free solutions.
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Vern said:
Hi Vkothii; I think this is the third time I furnished this reference. I'm trying to amend my habits so that I don't seem too assertive, but it seems to me that the reference shows that Einstein's Unified Field theory was an electromagnetic construct for the universe.

Edit: A portion of the quote below is highlighted in the article link. You can find it in the linked article by scanning rapidly down looking for the bold highlighted text.

Einstein: Source of the quote
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Vern, I read your theory. It's moderately similar to a theory Joseph Newman put forth in the mid 80's. Unfortunately no one cared about it because that guy is basically out of his mind and believes in weird...weird things. Anyways some of his proposals are not unreasonable and are substantiated in his book, very much similar to your view on gravity. His terminologies however are vastly different.
 
Reiku said:
I remember less than a year ago i proclaimed that all matter was but differential forms of trapped light.

Do you know what happened to it? Ben was just elected a mod here, and he sent it to pseudoscience, like he sends all my work, well... near enough everything.

Do i deserve it?
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No. Of course you don't. And that's why it didn't happen to you. It happened to your idea. Your idea was unsubstantiated crap and got what it deserved.

On the other hand, if you continue to fail to understand the distinction it is likely that society will send you to their equivalent of pseudoscience, or more likely the Trash Can. As before, the choice is yours.
 
Reiku said:
I remember less than a year ago i proclaimed that all matter was but differential forms of trapped light.
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Hi Reiku; if you're still around, I would like to see your scheme for trapped light. Maybe you could point me to a write up of it so we don't clutter BenTheMan's thread.
 
BenTheMan; are you still following this; you're not letting it slip away into oblivion to avoid forking out the $25 bucks are you :)
 
Ben the MAN may have taken his wireless laptop into the loo to research dark state and may have lost track of the time.

"lost track of the time " being a euphemism for "desperately stalling".
 
Vkothii said:
But Maxwell didn't have any such idea (as far as I can tell), Einstein didn't either. No-one else has ever said they were developing any such thing. Perhaps you have misunderstood what they were doing?

I'd say you will not be able to find (and you've been looking at this for how long?) any evidence anywhere, that either of these people were trying to develop a "photon-only universe" theory. Not from anything they ever said or wrote, anyway.
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Maxwell published an account of his attempt to write a Unified Field Theory combining electricity and gravity. His discussion of his attempt and his thoughts on the subject are not difficult to find. Search the internet for" unified field theory".

Heaviside, having edited and actually published Maxwell's Equations, did write a Unified Field Theory which was belatedly discovered in about 1950. Search the internet for "unified field theory".

Einstein wrote and published so many Unified Field Theories that I have lost lost count. I was thinking that it was 3 but it could have easily been more. Einstein at one time said that he believed that gravity was the primary field and therefore electricity a derivative. It is no real surprise that he may have reversed his opinion and begun to think that electricity was primary and gravity a resultant. Search the internet for "unified field theory".

Interestingly, as an aside, not too long ago I posted the statements that Maxwell had tried to write a successful Unified Field Theory, Heaviside had tried to write a successful Unified Field Theory, and Einstein had written 3 unsuccessful Unified Field Theories, and Ben the Omniscient Administrator told me that I was completely wrong.
 
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