SciContest! Why can't matter be made of photons?

[Vkothii]

So a question remains about electrons and probability waves like Schrodinger's one: does a single electron occupy both spin states in a lone orbital, then if another electron pairs up they align their spins, otherwise the wavefunction describes what exactly?

I'd say they do, a hydrogen atom has a single electron that allows itself to occupy the 1s orbital with both spins which would be a more relaxed or resonant state. Schrodinger's time-dependent probability wave dynamics, finds electrons in both states in delocalised orbitals too, I guess.

And that is somehow connected to photon emission, which we know is because of an electron losing momentum by finding a lower level of resonance, but spin is conserved.

 

[Vern]

So a question remains about electrons and probability waves like Schrodinger's one: does a single electron occupy both spin states in a lone orbital, then if another electron pairs up they align their spins, otherwise the wavefunction describes what exactly?

An advocate of photon theory could say that are sequential, happening one after the other. We see one state or the other depending upon where in the pattern we catch it.

 

[Enmos]

Vern, where is your avatar ?

 

[AlphaNumeric]

Virtual means, you can have 50 percent of one thing, and 50 percent of another thing. Take an electron, and turn it into a quantum coin. It will exhibit both spins simultaneously, because its wave function allows it to have two virtual 50.50 spins at the same time. It is only when a strong electromagnetic field, or by simple observation can the electron be pulled out of its superpositioned state, and a single, real spin direction is the result. We call this value simply 1. Therfore, this value of 1 is considered a real value.

No, it does't. Virtual means it's off shell and do doesn't obey $$E^{2}=m^{2}+p^{2}$$

Yet another case of you pretending to know something you don't.

 

[Vern]

Vern, where is your avatar ?

I never took the time to find out the requirements since I'm usually sent to the dungeon as soon as I advocate something If I survive awhile here, I'll make one.

 

[Reiku]

No, it does't. Virtual means it's off shell and do doesn't obey $$E^{2}=m^{2}+p^{2}$$

Yet another case of you pretending to know something you don't.

Don't worry. I've challenged your illogical statement in another thread.

 

[Reiku]

Bingo.

Any fundamental spin 1/2 particle has two possible or available spins, but as soon as they are "against a surface", which we might put there, i.e. measure or align the spin somehow (which is the same analogy Einstein used to explain electron spin in magnets, i.e. as a gyroscope precesses against the earths inertial surface) the spin is determined, which means superposition is a potential "direction", which we or another spin 1/2 particle might put there.

Photons have integer spin, or always have the "same" spin - this is true when they entangle their wavefunctions in certain crystal lattices, and what being "their own antiparticle" means.

In the Copenhagen Interpretation, the interpretation i take hold of as being the true definition of reality, states that there is evidence that such an occurance (as the collapse), happens. It's the fact we only come to observe a pointlike particle, and therefore, is evident if matter is in a wave function of possibilities, only one ever emerges, as it atentively searches throughout the infinite amount of them.

 

[Reiku]

So a question remains about electrons and probability waves like Schrodinger's one: does a single electron occupy both spin states in a lone orbital, then if another electron pairs up they align their spins, otherwise the wavefunction describes what exactly?

I'd say they do, a hydrogen atom has a single electron that allows itself to occupy the 1s orbital with both spins which would be a more relaxed or resonant state. Schrodinger's time-dependent probability wave dynamics, finds electrons in both states in delocalised orbitals too, I guess.

And that is somehow connected to photon emission, which we know is because of an electron losing momentum by finding a lower level of resonance, but spin is conserved.

Any wave function can overlap. This is the nature of superpositioning, and because of this, an electron will have some undefined property(s), until a collapse occurs. A single electron can occupy a level of energy in an atom, so long as another electron does not: Take the same value of spin in, the same level of quantum energy.

 

[Yorda]

The question is invalid because matter CAN be made of photons.

 

[Reiku]

It is invalid. You are right Yorda.

 

[John J. Bannan]

Except when you smash together matter and antimatter at high enough energies you get Z bosons instead of photons and Z bosons has masses about 180,000 times that of electrons.

So it's not obvious everything is made of photons when photons aren't always produced.

"The W and Z bosons decay to fermion-antifermion pairs." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons
So, your Z boson only lasts "about 3×10−25 s".
Now, what happens when a fermion and anitfermion collide?

 

[AlphaNumeric]

Don't worry. I've challenged your illogical statement in another thread.

Where? And how is it illogical, it's the definition of a 'virtual particle'.

Now, what happens when a fermion and anitfermion collide?

In the case of the W bosons nothing, because the fermion is not the antimatter partner of the antifermion. Such as an electron and an antineutrino from a W-.

 

[Reiku]

Oh, it's a post in physics.

 

[Vern]

Looks like my Avatar worked. It is a neutron as a shell structure comprised of photon shells. Hope it is allowed.

 

[Reiku]

Ofcourse it is Vern

 

[Mike Honcho]

Ok, I've come up with the exact answer that Ben is fishing for in this witch hunt he calls a Contest.

Matter cannot be made up of photons because if it were it would contradict mainstream QED.

 

[Reiku]

Ok, I've come up with the exact answer that Ben is fishing for in this witch hunt he calls a Contest.

Matter cannot be made up of photons because if it were it would contradict mainstream QED.

Mike, please respond to the mail i am about to send.

 

[Vern]

Matter cannot be made up of photons because if it were it would contradict mainstream QED.

Yes it would Mike, but re-read the OP. There's nothing there that says the opposing view must conform to existing mainstream theory.

 

[Reiku]

Mike will learn the basics of quantum mechanics. He has a hidden passion for it, so i have great expectations for him.

 

[Vern]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Gravity as a problem with a photon construct for the universe. I guess everyone knows that photons do attract each other gravitationally. Most leave it at that.
But there's a few like this guy who goes into special detail with all the math.

There's another way to get gravity out of a photon-only universe that uses a universal saturation constant of space that splits between Planck's constant and gravity. This one could be experimentally varified by showing that the value of Planck's constant is reduced in a strong gravitational field. Dr Robert Kemp of Hughes Aircraft explains that. When Kemp writes of EMF he means voltage over time, not just voltage.