Saving Atheists a Ton of Grief

[lixluke]

RULES FOR POSTING IN THE RELIGION SECTION
You may discuss whatever you want regarding your religion or religion in general including but not limited to:
1. You personal relgious views.
2. Questions and answers about spiritualism and any religious belief.
3. Prayer threads.
4. Your views on religion in general.
5. Facts about the nature of your God.
6. Blessings and other religious testimonials.
7. Scripture.




This is in response to Superliminal's fanatical thread imposing his form of discussion on others.

This is a religion subforum in a science forum as SkinWalker has pointed out many times before. Discussions of religion here will be held up to scientific scrutiny just as are discussions in the physics subforum.

Atheists are so fanatical that they impose their ideas about how religion should be discussed in a science forum by bullying others to discuss religion the way these bigots think religion should be discussed.

Unfortunately for these fanatics, the religion forum is open for free discussion.

Please feel free to ignore these fanatical bozos, and discuss whatever you want regarding religion,


Please to refer to my webpage for more information about atheist fanaticism: http://www.caliditta.com/atheism.htm

 

[superluminal]

Please to refer to my webpage for more information: http://www.caliditta.com/atheists.htm

Your website is hilarious! I especially love the section "What is a belief" reproduced below, in part, without the slightest hesitition:

A belief is based on perception. Truth is independent of perception. An individual perceives an idea. An individual interprets the idea to be true or false. This interpretation is independent of whether or not the idea is really true or false.

Yes, No, Yes, Yes, Yes.

Consider the following example:

I might believe A to be true.

A can be either true or false.

If A is true, I believe something that is true. My belief that A is true is correct.

If A is false, I believe something that is false. My belief that A is true is incorrect because A is not true.

Right-o.

What?

Consider the following more practical examples:

Consider the fact that the Earth does not revolve around Uranus.

You might agree.

You might disagree.

If you disagree, your belief is incorrect.

If you agree, your belief is correct.




Consider the fact that Santa Clause is not in your bathroom.

If you believe that Santa Clause is in you bathroom, your belief is incorrect.

If you believe that Santa Clause is not in your bathroom, your belief is correct.



Consider the fact that 1 + 1 = 2.

If you believe that 1 + 1 does not equal 2, your belief is incorrect.

If you believe that 1 + 1 = 2, your belief is correct.



Assume John has a nose on his face.

If John believes that he has a nose on his face, his belief is correct.

If John believes that he does not have a nose on his face, his belief is incorrect.

I would like to add for completeness sake:

Consider the fact that god does not exist.

If you believe that god exists, your belief is incorrect.

If you believe that god does not exist, your belief is correct.

Right?

You must presuppose the conclusion for any of this to make any sense whatsoever.

 

[lixluke]

You must presuppose the conclusion for any of this to make any sense whatsoever.

Wow you're really on to something.
Do you have any more fanaticism to add?

 

[superluminal]

Wow you're really on to something.
Do you have any more fanaticism to add?

No, just some questions. Why do you use the word "fanatic" and its linguistic derivatives so much? Do you realize how nutty it makes you sound?

 

[lixluke]

Because you atheists fanatically believe in all kinds of unverifiable absurd superstitious dogma, and fanatically impose your views on others. Fanatically.

I have started many threads and made many posts regarding concepts of atheist fanaticism based on the ideas in my Atheism web page.

 

[baumgarten]

shaddup infidel n00b ahtiesm pwnz joor a$$

Seriously, though, superluminal was using logic. You are using blind accusations and sweeping proclamations, and frankly, you're making an ass out of yourself. You should probably either handle your opponents' points properly or stop altogether.

 

[spiritual_spy]

shaddup infidel n00b ahtiesm pwnz joor a$$

Seriously, though, superluminal was using logic. You are using blind accusations and sweeping proclamations, and frankly, you're making an ass out of yourself. You should probably either handle your opponents' points properly or stop altogether.

Exactly.

 

[superluminal]

Exactly.

Ditto.

 

[charles cure]

RULES FOR POSTING IN THE RELIGION THREAD
You may discuss whatever you want regarding your religion or religion in general including but not limited to:
1. You personal relgious views.
2. Questions and answers about spiritualism and any religious belief.
3. Prayer threads.
4. Your views on religion in general.
5. Facts about the nature of your God.
6. Blessings and other religious testimonials.
7. Scripture.




This is in response to Superliminal's fanatical thread imposing his form of discussion on others.

Atheists are so fanatical that they impose their ideas about how religion should be discussed in a science forum by bullying others to discuss religion the way these bigots think religion should be discussed.

Unfortunately for these fanatics, the religion forum is open for free discussion.

Please feel free to ignore these fanatical bozos, and discuss whatever you want regarding religion,


Please to refer to my webpage for more information about atheist fanaticism: http://www.caliditta.com/atheists.htm

Douche skill:

superluminal didn't set up any rules in his post, he just said what would likely happen if you act like an idiot and can't defend your arguments. the actual posting rules of the religion sub are as follows, taken from the post called (ironically) "posting rules for the religion forum" which were posted by the moderator, maybe you should read them:


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[lixluke]

shaddup infidel n00b ahtiesm pwnz joor a$$

Seriously, though, superluminal was using logic.

In order for superliminal to have used any logic, he would have had to have stated something.
Being that there was no statement made, there was no logic in use nor was there any illogic in use.

superluminal didn't set up any rules in his post, he just said what would likely happen[/B]

You mean all of the fanatical bullying?
Who cares?
The fact still remains regardless of what superluminal posted.


RULES FOR POSTING IN THE RELIGION SECTION
You may discuss whatever you want regarding your religion or religion in general including but not limited to:
1. You personal relgious views.
2. Questions and answers about spiritualism and any religious belief.
3. Prayer threads.
4. Your views on religion in general.
5. Facts about the nature of your God.
6. Blessings and other religious testimonials.
7. Scripture.

 

[charles cure]

The fact still remains regardless of what superluminal posted.

RULES FOR POSTING IN THE RELIGION SECTION
You may discuss whatever you want regarding your religion or religion in general including but not limited to:
1. You personal relgious views.
2. Questions and answers about spiritualism and any religious belief.
3. Prayer threads.
4. Your views on religion in general.
5. Facts about the nature of your God.
6. Blessings and other religious testimonials.
7. Scripture.

sorry the champ, but the fact doesn't remain. you have no authority to set any type of rules whatsoever for this forum, so deal with it. no one has even attempted to stop you from doing any of the things that you wanted to do. just because some atheists happen to post on one of your threads doesn't mean that you aren't entitled to your own opinion, it just means that if you can't defend your beliefs with any degree of competence (which, as far as i have seen, you can't) then you will end up feeling like an idiot. however, that doesn't mean you can't believe or post whatever you want. you just have to allow everyone else the same courtesy whether you like it or not.

 

[charles cure]

The fact still remains regardless of what superluminal posted.

RULES FOR POSTING IN THE RELIGION SECTION
You may discuss whatever you want regarding your religion or religion in general including but not limited to:
1. You personal relgious views.
2. Questions and answers about spiritualism and any religious belief.
3. Prayer threads.
4. Your views on religion in general.
5. Facts about the nature of your God.
6. Blessings and other religious testimonials.
7. Scripture.

sorry there champ, but the fact doesn't remain. you have no authority to set any type of rules whatsoever for this forum, so deal with it. no one has even attempted to stop you from doing any of the things that you wanted to do. just because some atheists happen to post contradictory opinions on one of your threads doesn't mean that you aren't entitled to your own opinion, it just means that if you can't defend your beliefs with any degree of competence (which, as far as i have seen, you can't) then you will end up feeling like an idiot. however, that doesn't change the fact that you can still believe or post whatever you want. you just have to allow everyone else the same courtesy whether you like it or not.

ps: number 5 on your list is invalid. you can't post any facts about the nature of your god because there aren't any.

 

[lixluke]

sorry the champ, but the fact doesn't remain. you have no authority to

I take it you simply have nothing better to do but ramble incesently about utter nonsense?

 

[charles cure]

I take it you simply have nothing better to do but ramble incesently about utter nonsense?

BIGOTRY! FANATICISM! you dare contradict me, you hate-spreading racist bully?

 

[lixluke]

BIGOTRY! FANATICISM! you dare contradict me, you hate-spreading racist bully?

Ooookay.

 

[charles cure]

Ooookay.

I was laying it out for you there pal. that is what you do every time someone contradicts you. you act like an idiot, claim that people are "beating up on you" with their "fanatical atheism" as if something like that could even exist, and then proceed to whine and cry that no one accepts your ludicrous point of view as valid when you have presented no evidence whatsoever to support it. cry on, whiny. cry on.

 

[lixluke]

I was laying it out for you there pal. that is what you do every time someone contradicts you. you act like an idiot, claim that people are "beating up on you" with their "fanatical atheism" as if something like that could even exist, and then proceed to whine and cry that no one accepts your ludicrous point of view as valid when you have presented no evidence whatsoever to support it. cry on, whiny. cry on.

Why don't you cry on?
It is clear you have no clue what you are talking about.
I have only seen you running around blabbering on about nonsense.
Are you still looking for that hard evidence that you atheists are total morons?

 

[charles cure]

Why don't you cry on?
It is clear you have no clue what you are talking about.
I have only seen you running around blabbering on about nonsense.
Are you still looking for that hard evidence that you atheists are total morons?

i'm actually attempting to see if you can make any sense at all. so far, you don't.

i'm clearly not "blabbering" about anything, i was just challenging you assertion that you can make rules for the sciforums community, and showing you that rules had already been made. sorry, i guess it's "nonsense" when someone disagrees with you.

you really need to get with it.

 

[Cris]

Thread closed.

Simply an excuse for ad hominem.