Well pjdude1219 please show us a quote of Cheski or otheadp saying "all arabs and muslims" are "murderers"
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You mean like you justify your personal attacks on me good old cheski"double standard"chips.
Do me a favor learn how to read and understand the english language and what libel is.
in regards to palestinains. hell if you want I kind find you making the same kind of statements your not much different than them.
and that all arabs and muslims? He not even saying all Palestinians!
I called all Palestinians murderers? Scum of the earth certainly, but murderers? Sort of like how you believe Israel children deserve to die?
part of a converstaion
same kind of statement.
Now that is libel. because I don't and one of which you have off repeated and never even been warned about.
A disgust for people and claiming they are criminals is too very different things.
Well then just say Israeli children don't deserve punishment, that would end it right there and then.
but both come from the same mentality
they don't deserve to stay on land illegally gained something you feel is a punishment in removing them so people who own it can use it.
Absolutely. They work hand in hand to create racist propaganda that has tended to lead to racist mass killing, even genocide. Convince people ___________s are committing terrible acts AND convince people they are less than human.
I think it is 'funny' that someone would spend time defending one by saying it is not the other.
pjdude If I said it - it should be easy to find. If you do, I will apologize for saying something I don't truly believe. If you can't, you're lying.
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So because the children stay, they somehow deserve punishment?
electric feels my belief that in following the law of allowing the Palestinians their legally mandated choice to return that if they do so anyone residing on the land they own is to be removed is punishing the Israeli children. his accusations are based on a woefully extreme misunderstanding of my beliefs on Palestine/Israel.
You're saying that my statements claiming HAMAS policy is insane is like saying "All arabs and muslims are violent murderers". You're stupider than I thought. You're also a liar. But it's okay pjdude, I know your low intelligence as severely impaired your ability to cope with the world around you, therefore I won't hold you to know what 'libel' is...or to apologize for it.
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Mod Notes: Okay, SAM thread closed.
Hercules Rockefeller:
I notice you closed this thread. I have reopened it, because I think this is a discussion that needs to run its course. People obviously have things they need to get out of their system.
Tiassa:
Your accusations of me lying are sounding a bit shrill. I do not believe I have at any time engaged in a deliberate lie. I may have a less-than-perfect memory of certain remarks in threads etc., which I'm sure you can search and correct, but there is no systematic cover-up or lying on the matter of SAM's current ban by me. In fact, I'm re-opening this thread so you can put your case publically if it makes you feel better.
At this point, I'd just like to correct a couple of points you made.
I did not "send her for a month arbitrarily". I telegraphed my intention to ban her for a month well in advance of starting the vote in the moderators' forum. Moreover, I informed SAM of the exact nature of the process, including my intention to seek the approval of the moderators for a permanent ban and of my intention to ban her for 1 month if that poll failed and no apology was forthcoming. SAM was kept fully informed at all relevant times, in advance of any action.
Many errors here.
1. I have no long-standing grudge against SAM personally. I am on record, however, as holding the opinion that her trolling of late has been damaging to the forum.
2. I took action to ban SAM (for 3 days, along with fellowtraveler) in response to a reported death threat from SAM.
3. That action was not "overidden by protest and evidence". I changed my mind following helpful analysis of SAM's posts in that matter, provided to me by several supporters, yourself being one.
4. The poll for a permanent ban was in relation to a different matter all together - namely, SAM's ascribing statements to me that I never made and her refusal to apologise for said statements.
5. The vote on a permanent ban was "lost" on the basis that I set a 2/3 majority as the standard at which I would ban SAM.
6. I do not "pretend" the vote justified SAM's current 1 month ban. The 1 month ban was the penalty I informed her would be applied in the event that the vote failed and no apology was received. She was informed well in advance of that.
The 30-day ban was drawing of a line in the sand.
I notice you closed this thread. I have reopened it, because I think this is a discussion that needs to run its course. People obviously have things they need to get out of their system.
Tiassa:
Your accusations of me lying are sounding a bit shrill. I do not believe I have at any time engaged in a deliberate lie. I may have a less-than-perfect memory of certain remarks in threads etc., which I'm sure you can search and correct, but there is no systematic cover-up or lying on the matter of SAM's current ban by me. In fact, I'm re-opening this thread so you can put your case publically if it makes you feel better.
At this point, I'd just like to correct a couple of points you made.
Tiassa said:
I did not "send her for a month arbitrarily". I telegraphed my intention to ban her for a month well in advance of starting the vote in the moderators' forum. Moreover, I informed SAM of the exact nature of the process, including my intention to seek the approval of the moderators for a permanent ban and of my intention to ban her for 1 month if that poll failed and no apology was forthcoming. SAM was kept fully informed at all relevant times, in advance of any action.
Many errors here.
1. I have no long-standing grudge against SAM personally. I am on record, however, as holding the opinion that her trolling of late has been damaging to the forum.
2. I took action to ban SAM (for 3 days, along with fellowtraveler) in response to a reported death threat from SAM.
3. That action was not "overidden by protest and evidence". I changed my mind following helpful analysis of SAM's posts in that matter, provided to me by several supporters, yourself being one.
4. The poll for a permanent ban was in relation to a different matter all together - namely, SAM's ascribing statements to me that I never made and her refusal to apologise for said statements.
5. The vote on a permanent ban was "lost" on the basis that I set a 2/3 majority as the standard at which I would ban SAM.
6. I do not "pretend" the vote justified SAM's current 1 month ban. The 1 month ban was the penalty I informed her would be applied in the event that the vote failed and no apology was received. She was informed well in advance of that.
The 30-day ban was drawing of a line in the sand.
Sorry, string. You're the second moderator who has independently had that idea - and I completely understand. For now, though, I'd like to leave it open.
kmguru:
Nah. This whole thing is vastly blown out of proportion. I'm not sure why, but SAM always manages to provoke intense opinions one way or the other. I guess it's the high profile or something. I think people need to get over the idea that SAM is special.
I don't see why Tiassa felt the need to move this discussion to the public forum, either. But now that it's here, I think it is important to play out the issue here.
pjdude:
Maybe you ought to check how much ban time otheadp and cheski have actually had. At least one of those two is on the brink of a permaban.
Doreen:
I apologise if this is the impression you got. I am not trying to make people look stupid. What I'd like to know is why some people here think that SAM is special? Why is she so special that she must be given special licence to troll?
Nah. This whole thing is vastly blown out of proportion. I'm not sure why, but SAM always manages to provoke intense opinions one way or the other. I guess it's the high profile or something. I think people need to get over the idea that SAM is special.
I don't see why Tiassa felt the need to move this discussion to the public forum, either. But now that it's here, I think it is important to play out the issue here.
pjdude:
Maybe you ought to check how much ban time otheadp and cheski have actually had. At least one of those two is on the brink of a permaban.
Doreen:
I apologise if this is the impression you got. I am not trying to make people look stupid. What I'd like to know is why some people here think that SAM is special? Why is she so special that she must be given special licence to troll?
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