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Tiassa: SAM habitually posts inflammatory remarks. They play a delicate balancing act of providing factual evidence and knowingly false conjecture - most often not even to prove their point, rather, to instigate and be generally vindictive. It doesn't matter how many times you disprove a fallacy they will surely bring it up 1 week later in a new thread. That's their personality, passive aggressive. Rarely does a single post by SAM have enough content to be worthy of a ban, however, they post 60+ times a day. If one were to compile all of the content into a single post you would have enough to ban. SAM spreads out her vitriol in different subforas with no real intent to further conversation. If they were to put all of their content into a single thread no one would ever read it, with exception to very few.

Hey you won me over.
 
I thought it was fun to see how many posts a thread could get until American or Israeli atrocities were pointed out with a roll of the eyes smiley. It brightened my day.


For the record it was 3...three posts.
 
I have stomped on Sam many times for her habit of arguing disingenuously.

Why "arguing disingenuously"?


Prove that using Schopenhauer's stratagems is disingenuous.

That's right, all you have got to fall back on is a burgeois "that's just not the way to do things".


I appreciate SAM precisely for her manner of arguing: with it, she exposes the smug, complacent, intellectually lazy forum myth that worthy things can be accomplished merely with discussion and debate.
 
I appreciate SAM precisely for her manner of arguing: with it, she exposes the smug, complacent, intellectually lazy forum myth that worthy things can be accomplished merely with discussion and debate.

Yet she has over 60,000 posts? :shrug:

It would seem she feels that things can be accomplished with debate, or at least the derailing of it.
 
I appreciate SAM precisely for her manner of arguing: with it, she exposes the smug, complacent, intellectually lazy forum fact that worthy things can't be accomplished merely with discussion and debate.

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With all the fights going on among each other, and hurt feelings, Sciforums will never be the same. The bar fight is now a street fight. Time to gather around and witness the commotion. Pretty soon people forget what they are fighting about. So far I have not seen any specific lies quoted (too lazy to dig up) or what is at the root cause such that other members do not transgress these activities.

I think we should reserve our outbursts to perm-bans if done improperly. If we micromanage the watchers, then the watchers will get sloppy and afraid to take action.

The best solution is for the moderators to discuss issues among themselves and do the needful, which was done in this case. In the good old days, we PMed each other before taking drastic actions.

Everyone should have learned the lessons by now. There is no reason to fight among ourselves and create permanent ignore lists...

I vote for Peace.
 
She was trolling alot.

Remenber when you was follerin me aroun... callin me a sock-puppit (of i forget who???)... an tryin to convince other people that i was a sock-puppet... how woud you label somone who does that.???

BTW... you have yet to apologize for those un-founded accusatons... how woud you like to have 24 houres to do so or be perma-baned.???

Building entire strawmen armies and repeating the same conversations, no matter what the OP was to turn it towards what she wanted to talk about... mainly the Palestinian/Israel issues but also rallying against atheists in general and Jewish people in general. Stereotyping and spreading hatred towards those groups.

Well im American AN Atheist... 2 catagories at the top of SAMs suposed "hit-list"... lol... so how is it that i dont have a prollem wit sam???... well a few reasons is... i enjoy hearin opinions from diferent people aroun the world... i dont have a thin skin or i woudnt be in an "adult" forum... an in my book the less censorship the beter.!!!

You can't ignore someone who posts so prolifically so much vitriol towards certain groups of people in so many threads.

Well... aparently YOU cant ignore people who post stuff you dont want to read... but thats a personal issue... not SAMs fault.!!!

Personaly... i dont have a prollem ignorin people i dont want to read... an i thank people who ant mature enuff to do so shudnt be in an adult forum... much less keep sendin in complants so the administraters will hold ther hands... an keep pushin administraters for the "final-soluton"... of ban Ban PERMA-BAN.!!!

We've spent WAY too much time on this whole god damned issue.

For sure much time has been spent on this hole Godamed "non-issue"... caused by whiners who cant tolerate free-speech if it causes them to take a mor objective look at ther lilly-pure existence.!!!
 
the funny thing is while merely question that the current narrative that supports the pro jewish/Israeli point of view gets banned while people like otheadp and cheski get to call all arabs and muslims murderers, baby killers, evil, and unreasionally hateful and you get cat warned for abusing the report function for reporting them and they don't get touched. occasionally I have seen someone get nailed for it ussually on the end of debate of how the mods treat comments against jews/Israel and how they treat Islam/abab/arab countries.
 
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Your one of the last people here to complain about inflammatory remarks. Only difference between you and sam is Sam smart enough to be successful at it. You who have flaunted rules about altering peoples names are going to complain that this is just finally someone having the rules catch up to them.( incidently something James ignored) You who attacked christianity while have zero fucking clue of what you were talking about while at the same time whining about complaining about your faith without understanding it. You who have benifited from the mods allowing people to shit on islam and arabs at will are seriously going to complain about someone else. Self reflection is a good thing try it.

I don't post inflammatory remarks and I didn't complain about Christians. I don't even understand what "You who have flaunted rules about altering peoples names are going to complain that this is just finally someone having the rules catch up to them." means. Are you saying I don't know what my faith is...or I don't know...what is? Are you serious food, you know more about the J than I do? How did I benefit?

pjdude you're an insane person, stop following all of my posts and harassing me with hardly legible inane statements.
 
the funny thing is while merely question that the current narrative that supports the pro jewish/Israeli point of view gets banned while people like otheadp and cheski get to call all arabs and muslims murderers, baby killers, evil, and unreasionally hateful and you get cat warned for abusing the report function for reporting them and they don't get touched. occasionally I have seen someone get nailed for it ussually on the end of debate of how the mods treat comments against jews/Israel and how they treat Islam/abab.arab countries.

This right here is Libel - and that's why SAM got banned. I have never done any of that before, you're lying.
 
The best solution is for the moderators to discuss issues among themselves and do the needful, which was done in this case. In the good old days, we PMed each other before taking drastic actions.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?

The last time I remember a moderator doing this is when Avatar went after Tiassa regarding Baron Max. The circumstances are eerily familiar.

Oh the irony...
 
. . . cheski get to call all arabs and muslims murderers, . . .
this statement is false, it must be.
both my general practitioner and specialist are muslims and i'm not dead.
the specialist even gave me a copy of the koran from his waiting room because i asked for it.

so, ALL muslims aren't murderers and at least some are downright generous.
one other thing, my general practitioner seems to be very well educated and he takes a genuine interest in my well being.
 
I don't post inflammatory remarks
So your constant implications rhat muslims are inherently violaent and bad aren't inflammatory?
and I didn't complain about Christians.
So you didn't state that christians have a holiday sole devoted to the rejection of Juadiasm.
I don't even understand what "You who have flaunted rules about altering peoples names are going to complain that this is just finally someone having the rules catch up to them." means.
IT means you hypocrite.
Are you saying I don't know what my faith is...or I don't know...what is?
No I am saying while complaining about people thinking they knew more about your faith than you did you did the same thing.
Are you serious food, you know more about the J than I do?
and how many times have I asked you not to call me that. Still a troll at heart.
How did I benefit?
No being punished for rule breaking.

pjdude you're an insane person,
I am perfectly sane. and your personal attacks against me are old and stale.
stop following all of my posts
I'm not
and harassing me with hardly legible inane statements.
You are a piece of work You who harassed me with trolling public messages. And my statements are neither illegible nor inane which. My posts are always relevant to what I'm replying too and just because you don't understand doesn't mean they aren legible. Most of the smarter people here don't seem to have a problem knowing what I'm saying.
 
This right here is Libel - and that's why SAM got banned. I have never done any of that before, you're lying.

First off I didn't say you personally did but people like you otheadp have which means all I have to do is find a statement by you, him, or someone like the 2 of you. Its true and its not a malicious intent to hurt your reputation. and bullshit cheski your one of the top people claiming muslims are inherently violent.
 
I thought it was fun to see how many posts a thread could get until American or Israeli atrocities were pointed out with a roll of the eyes smiley. It brightened my day.


For the record it was 3...three posts.

Really? I averaged it out at 1.5, but with 100+ posts a day and no life it's to be expected. ;)
Anyways after reading that post I couldn't resist a comment. But to say what I originally came in here to say: can we close this thread or at the least let it die? Is there really any point dedicating another 5+ pages to her? Don't you people have lives? :shrug:
I expect the next 6 posts to consist purely and only of the word "agreed".
 
What principles do you think are involved here?
For example: Was someone fairly or unfairly banned seems to be a number of people's issue. Or people saying why they like her, or her posts, or her presence. You are painting this as people think she is indispensible to the forums. That is an attempt to make people look silly. It is not an assertion anyone made. It is a mild libel aimed broadly.

And the silent majority is, as usual, silent.
Yes, but that point is irrelevent to the issue of how you are making up the position of people who are not being silent.

I said

Other than that people either disagree with the administrative action or have said positive things about SAM - those that can be seen as supporting her.
IOW I was describing the posts you said indicated people were saying she was indispensible, which they were not. You used this point as a segue to a comment about the silent majority, which is certainly an issue you could raise, but not relevent to the point I made.

I really don't mind how you take them at this point. I'm not likely to change your mind, am I?
Not the point. The point is that you are attacking people you disagree with by 1) saying they are asserting something they are not - the indispensibility issue and 2) saying they are whining, an unnecessary ad hom.

For some reason Their posts have to have this silly assumption - she is indispensible, which they do not - or their act is whining, which they are not.

If you have objections to what they are saying, well, fine. But there is no need to try to make them look silly by hallucinating an assertion and no need to use ad hom interpretations that would equally apply to your posts.
 
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