In other words My wisher before the election were just like that , no Hillery but Pence , but a period in between "Trump". But interesting changes in the mean will take place, hopefully we will move away from the statu quo .
Russiagate
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In other words My wisher before the election were just like that , no Hillery but Pence , but a period in between "Trump". But interesting changes in the mean will take place, hopefully we will move away from the statu quo .
What is motion without purpose?
Proverbial utopia would be something away from the status quo.
So would proverbial dystopia.
Of all the ossified pathways in the entrenched Beltway, which would you see destroyed or preserved? It is hard to imagine how betraying allies, and even our own armed forces, just for the sake of showing off to foreign leaders, is the kind of motion we want.
Or, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the surrender of American prestige is precisely what you want; it is, after all, #WhatTheyVotedFor.
Prestige of what , by going into war every 10 years , showing how powerful we are, we don't have to lead the world, The less we challenge the less enemy we will have and perhaps we would not spend so much on security ,but we could spend more on the well being of its citizen.
Not really. Remember that there are usually a lot of Republicans calling themselves something else - T-Party, etc. Those folks plus a serious voter and vote count suppression effort in the key districts of the key States can easily put him over.
We have already noted that you did this to your country on purpose, knowing what you were doing.
You don't have to remind us - we aren't going to forget that.
You voted for the Party whose agenda includes more spending on security and less on citizens's wellbeing. And you did it on purpose, knowing that about them.
One risk with Russiagate is that surviving it would make Trump less accountable and increase his base of power within the bureaucracy, and fending it off would consolidate the Republican Party's hold on Congress. So not only would the Christopaths not get their beloved Pence, but they would lose even their little influence for good - with their influence for evil still in good leverage position.
Well, now we have evidence of the quo. It's no secret Russia actively intervened in our elections to support the Trump campaign, and now we know why: so that Trump could remove the sanctions against Russia imposed by Obama. Immediately after assuming office, even before a Secretary of State had been named, Trump ordered the State Department to begin the process for lifting the economic sanctions against Russia. Lifting the economic sanctions against Russia was a top priority for Trump and probably still is. It's now clear the "quid" was Russia's intervention in our election for Trump's benefit, and the "quo" was removal of economic sanctions.
It has been recently reported that Trump is attempting to give Russian intelligence facilities Obama took from Russia as a first step.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-house-secret-efforts-lift-russia-sanctions-putin-619508
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f64b4fe2dfc_story.html?utm_term=.16d02c1ed1b1
It has been recently reported that Trump is attempting to give Russian intelligence facilities Obama took from Russia as a first step.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-house-secret-efforts-lift-russia-sanctions-putin-619508
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f64b4fe2dfc_story.html?utm_term=.16d02c1ed1b1
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Let's Talk about interfering: Do we interfere in other nations election to your knowledge ?
Do we spay on our allies and interfere in their politics ?
I doubt very much if Russia interference would have any impact on American voters, specially on the so called less educated bible belt, since the American continue to believe Russia is an evil communist godless country.
I would like to hear an opinion in what way so called Russian interference swayed American voters >
Since 1945 there have been 6 republican presidents and 5 democrat presidents , Could you tell me if the previous republican presidents election Russian . Chinese, British, French, German , Japanese nations have persuaded American voter to vote for republican president ?
The answer is no. The US does not interfere in free elections of any country. And who is "we" comrade?
All countries "spay" on one another. That's not the issue here comrade. The US does not interfere in the free elections of other countries. The US has called fowl when it has seen a fowl. But that's not interfering with an election. It doesn't spread fake news.
And you think that makes sense comrade? Those less educated, Bible belters, were not aware of Russia's interference nor would they believe it. Russia doesn't stamp its fake news as Russian fake news comrade.
We know Russia intervened in our election on Trump's behalf. We know Russia wanted Trump to win. We also have the appearance of collusion with secret meetings between Trump campaign officials and Russian intelligence officers. We know Trump's campaign officials tried to cover up those meetings, and lied about those meetings. We know Trump campaign officials met with a Russian banker and intelligence officer, and both parties have given conflicting stories about that meeting. We know that Trump tried to remove Russian sanctions without any apparent return, as a free gift. That has all the hallmarks of a quid pro quo.
We may never be able to quantify how much Russia influenced our election, i.e. how many people voted for Trump as a result of Russian propaganda. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I can tell you even now, even to this day, those lesser educated white folks are brandishing Russian propaganda in social media never knowing or wanting to know that it isn't true, that it is in fact Russian propaganda.
There is no evidence any nation has done anything remotely similar to what Russia did in 2016, in no small part because the infrastructure didn't exist to pull it off.
I am sorry for you you have been born 2016, you don't seem to know history.
In my view your mentality is typical McCarthy accuse period, which hunting
It would if they hacked into computer systems and released intentionally sensitive information.
Let's say the Russians hacked into the IRS and released all of Trump's tax returns - and it turns out he'd paid no taxes for most of his life. Then they hacked into a video server and released a video of him hitting his son in the face with a bottle. Think that would affect the election?
They didn't know the Russians did it, since they used a third party to leak the information.
Since Trump regularly made use of the Russian material, he certainly felt it could.
Unfortunately for you comrade ad hominem isn't a substitute for fact and reason.
#war | #WhatTheyVotedFor
Click to tell the captain.
What is perhaps most disappointing about that is its utter futility. President Trump is aiming to take us to war even more. This is the heart of the #trumpswindle; none of the rhetoric supporting President Trump makes any actual sense.
By which you imply innocence.
That is nonsense. The US interferes with other people's elections more than any other country on the planet - by far. It's only rival would be Russia.
One of the problems we face in getting cooperation and/or sympathy for this latest is the sense - in many places - that what goes around coming around is not really an affront to civilization or the karmic order.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...dling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trump
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The truth isn't nonsense comrade. It's just the truth. Name one election the US interfered with. Supporting the elected government of Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union isn't interference in a foreign election comrade. Defending Americans in a foreign land isn't interference in and election either comrade. Yeah, it's those damn facts and your inability to think clearly again comrade.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-40142179/bbc-confronts-russians-over-us-election-row
"Door stepping " some alleged Russian actors. They don't seem very forthcoming.
"Door stepping " some alleged Russian actors. They don't seem very forthcoming.
. The Greek elections in the wake of WWII. The Iranian elections in 1952. The Vietnamese elections in 1956. Every Japanese election 1950 - 1970. The 1970 elections in Chile. Australia's Federal elections in 1975. The 1984 elections in Panama. The 1990 elections in Nicaragua. The 2004 elections in Iraq. The Israeli elections of 2015. And so forth. Dozens of them.( I just chose random examples for each decade.)
This is not a controversial or fringe observation. Everybody on the planet knows this except some Americans.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...nterfered-in-foreign-elections-multiple-times
The Obama Administration tried to interfere with the Israeli election last cycle.
“In 2015, we spent over 350,000 taxpayer dollars funding an organization in Israel called OneVoice, which we learned once we gave them those grants they immediately began to build up an infrastructure to oppose Netanyahu in Israel,” recalled Bruce.
Bruce’s claim is accurate, and not only did Obama use taxpayer money to undermine a staunch US ally but the news broke around the same time as the Russian meddling was occurring. “This is not unknown, it was widely reported in the summer of last year that it was an Obama-aligned group of people that worked with his campaign that were the consultants to that effort to dislodge Netanyahu, an active campaign in Israel,” she continued.
According to The Washington Times a Senate investigation found, “OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign.” And if that wasn’t bad enough, the US’ top official in the country was discovered to have “…regularly deleted emails with large attachments — a striking violation of open-records laws…”
About the same time the Obama Administration was spying on Americans. This morphs into unmasking conversations.
"James clapper lied about the spying on every single American to Congress. Was asked specifically about whether or not there was a program where Americans were being spied on and he said “No.” Still years later they’re saying well he said it was the least untruthful thing he could tell Congress.
In May of 2016, The Hill reported that according to Clapper’s lawyer, America’s head intelligence official had “forgotten” the NSA program that spies on millions of innocent citizens. “Still, critics such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) have called for Clapper to resign over the flap, which they say amounts to perjury,”
The Democrats has more in common with Russia than you would think. They interfere in elections, they misuse tax dollars, they illegally destroy public information and spy on its own citizens. Then they accuse Trump of colluding. It is time to drain the swamp.
Except it didn't. Yeah, it's those damn facts again Wellwisher.
"On the basis of the existing evidence, Rubio ordinarily would earn Four Pinocchios for his overheated rhetoric." Washington Post
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...laims-us-funded-anti-netanyahu-election-effo/
Just because some right wing bloggers or Putin's bots post something it doesn't mean it's true, because it's almost always not. By the way comrade Wellwisher, the Washington Times is a right wing rag owned by the Monnie cult. It's just as credible as your anonymous right wing bloggers.
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That doesn't make them any less Republican. The fact is Republicans cannot win a national election with just Republican votes. Were it not for the few thousand Democrats who crossed over and voted for Trump, Hillary would be POTUS.
Oh, so now you are quoting the John Birch Society which is by the way nothing but fringe and controversial.
You do realize the US invaded and controlled Iraq? You do realize that after the invasion the US and allied nations set up a new democratic government in Iraq? You do realize the US and allied nations replaced a dictatorship in Iraq with a democracy? And after Iraq you have to go back more than a half century during the Cold War period? Earth to Iceaura, it’s time to go home for lunch. It’s way past time to do your homework.
Where is the evidence to back up your assertions? You are really good about making baseless assertions. You are really bad about proving them. So let’s see your evidence. You have none. The John Birch Society, I mean really? The John Birchers are supported by my neighbors the Kochs, and God knows those boys aren't controversial. It's way past time to get honest Iceaura.