Rumsfeld

i've seen this on CNN 1st time

:rolleyes: sure you did.

check out their archives. i'm sure u'll find the story. i'm too lazy to look for it.

HAHA your a ignorant and funny little man, me find something that you have the burdeon of truth to present. Oh man thanks.

London Telegraph, NY Times.

Two sources out of hundreds worldwide, and funny enough are conservative, am i the only one to see a connection? :rolleyes:
 
That it was found in a bombed out building, in suspiciously good condition, that no-one else has found anything like it, and greater play hasnt been made of it. i mean if its that good, why hasnt the gvt taken it up and trumpeted it from the roofotps?
 
"sure you did"
are you saying i'm making this up?

"two sources out of hundreds worldwide"

yea. 2 sources that would like to preserve themselves as being viewed as "good" newspapers with something called "journalist integrity".

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and i don't know why the gov't haven't used this link.
this is really bizzare
 
k i've been looking around.... haven't found a link to that story yet, but found something else.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/26/us.iraq.alqaeda/index.html
We know too that several of the detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al Qaeda in chemical weapons development," Rice said.
... there are some al Qaeda personnel who found refuge in Baghdad," she said. "There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented."

At the same time, she cautioned that "no one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on September 11th, so we don't want to push this too far."
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How old is the info? And yes maybe you are lying, and journalistic integrity? LOL, sure have you watch the Fox network? Thanks Geraldo for giving out the exact US position and telling the Iraqi's what the US' next moves was, great. What a joke. As for the aforementioned quote it is from the US government I want independant new, not propoganda, last time that happened it was the Niger-Iraq connection.
 
Thats more like it. Although one has to wonder what evidence is so good that they havnt told us it yet.
And yet a large proportion of americans still believe saddam was directly connected to 11/09.
And still no pesky WMD's.
From the same report:
"A senior U.S. official told CNN on Thursday that the information cited by Rice is a couple of months old and refers to training in chemical weapons development that apparently took place two years ago. The official called the information "circumstantial evidence, and certainly not proof" of any linkage between Iraq and al Qaeda. "
At least now theyre playing it safer than simply announcing it as perfect proof.
 
if you read the article you will see that this info was 8 months old at the time (sept/2002).

and, "yes maybe you are lying" ???
why would i lie? if i knew it was a lie i wouldn't support it.
 
"circumstantial evidence, and certainly not proof"
this is an analysis, an opinion of one anonymous U.S. official.
 
if you read the article you will see that this info was 8 months old at the time (sept/2002).

Ohh then is soo very propoganda, I think Goebells must be working for them. 9/2002! Please that was even before Bushie went to the UN. You shouldn't do that, as a concerned member to another your cred. depends on lies.

why would i lie? if i knew it was a lie i wouldn't support it.

Maybe you are lying with out know it ;)
 
And you believe the anonymous reports and individual iraqi scientists who they base all their claims on?
 
the americans were talking about iraq long before they went to the UN with it. through your logic that means it's propaganda. i don't see how.

Originally posted by nico
Maybe you are lying with out know it ;)
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maybe you are?:rolleyes:


guthrie:
these reports are not "anonymous"
and if some iraqi scientists tell their stories anonymously, as soon as they get out of Iraq they reveal themselves.
 
the americans were talking about iraq long before they went to the UN with it. through your logic that means it's propaganda. i don't see how.

I think what makes it even more propogandish is because the world wasn't looking thus these lies aren't left up to Scrutiny of the international community, and bombard the American public before debate begins. The US was talking about Iraq that's it, it was August '02 that America began to talk about invasion. There is a difference. ;)
 
"the world wasn't looking"
you mean ordinary citizens like you in me? who only know their info from what the media reports? or spies that have been in iraq for years, satelite images, etc etc.. ?
 
you mean ordinary citizens like you in me?

Don't be coy, you know what I mean. Firstly you and me and most of this forum aren't exactly normal we keep up with the news so obvious not us.

or spies that have been in iraq for years, satelite images, etc etc.. ?

Spies in Iraq? Not many, and obviously not good ones. The only spies are satellites, and UAV's. The news is obviously false face facts. :rolleyes:
 
They tend not to tell us the sources for the reports, nor the basis for the information, or anything like that that can help others understand the reports and judge them. If the case for iraq being linked to Al Qaeda is that good, why dont we hear more about it?
And iraqi scientists reveealing themselves to whom? The usa, seems to be the only ones who have access to them.

Remember this. When Saddams son in law Hussein Kamel defected across to Syria I think it was back in 95 or so, i forget exactly whe, he was debriefed and told them all abou the WMD programs he had been involved in. However, Newsweek obtained authentic reports of the debriefing and found he had personally ordered the destruction of Iraqs stocks of WMD's, and therefore htat Iraq had none of them left. IE its program had been dismantled. There were bits and pieces of information left around, and hidden, and they still had the scientists, but all teh stocks were destroyed and the manufacturing capability scattered.
So, in that case, knowing that, why carp on about saddams extant stocks and program and his immediate danger to the west?
 
Originally posted by nico
... you and me and most of this forum aren't exactly normal we keep up with the news so obvious not us.facts. :rolleyes:
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so we read the news. do we know the news are accurate? (from either side)

guthrie:
1- iraqi scientists' names are published in the media. that's how they reveal themselves.
2- saddam's son in law defected to Jordan (if im not mistaken).
let's assume he destroyed the WMD. you think he destroyed ALL of them?? then, let's asume he did. that was 8 years ago (!) alotta things can happen in 8 years. besides, wasn't he the guy who Saddam killed after he tricked him back into Iraq?. and another thing. "newsweek obtained authentic reports ..." how authentic are they? who reported it? what's the source? that's only 1 source out of (as Nico said) "hundreds worldwide"
 
Originally posted by otheadp
Rummy is my hero! :D
Even if he'd be working on the other side. That guy's just brilliant.
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We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003

Mr. Rumsfeld said on CBS's "Face the Nation, " that American intelligence reports indicated that Iraqi forces "have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them, and that they are weaponized, and that, in one case at least, that the command and control arrangements have been established." as reported in the New York Times, March 24, 2003

It is difficult to believe there still could be any quesiton in the minds of reasonable people open to the facts before them.
Rumsfeld
2003-02-09

Rummy helped Saddam...http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,866942,00.html

You better pick a different hero, ya hippo-crit. Or better yet, go to Iraq with Rummy and reveal these WMD b/c rummy 'knows where they are'
 
so we read the news. do we know the news are accurate? (from either side)


So then why do you bring articles from sept/02? I think you need a blend of mainstream and alternative news. That's what I do, and I seem to be well informed wouldn't you say? :m:
 
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