This post is in response to phlogistician's post 95 in the Forums with varying levels of insults allowed thread.
Moving this here as the subject is clearly off topic in the thread it was in.
I can't remember, but Paul Okami chronicled it. Heather Corinna is an author, activist and internet publisher with a focus on progressive, affirming sexuality. She runs the Scarleteen web site, a sex education website where a volunteer staff provides young adults with the answers and information they need to make informed, responsible and sensible decisions about sex..
In an article of hers titled Rage of Consent, she has this to say concerning Paul Okami's work in the aforementioned book:
She quotes more of what he has to say concerning the subject in the aforementioned article.
Well, that last part I can understand; I myself was leery of pulling it out of the library about 7 years ago or so and things haven't exactly gotten more relaxed on the subject. Our society has engaged in something of a witch hunt in regards to this issue, but caving in to said witch hunt isn't going to make things any better. I believe it will take the work of many more brave souls, such as Judith Levine's good work in her book Harmful to Minors, before people begin to realize how protection can morph into oppression and even leave lasting psychological damage.
Moving this here as the subject is clearly off topic in the thread it was in.
scott3x said:I don't know about 'double blind' (we're not talking about drugs here), but I certainly believe that some statistically sound experiments have been performed.
You are saying various children were subjected to various types of physical abuse, and then later along with a control group, underwent psychometric evaluation, and there was no way to discern members of one group from another?
Who performed those experiments?
I can't remember, but Paul Okami chronicled it. Heather Corinna is an author, activist and internet publisher with a focus on progressive, affirming sexuality. She runs the Scarleteen web site, a sex education website where a volunteer staff provides young adults with the answers and information they need to make informed, responsible and sensible decisions about sex..
In an article of hers titled Rage of Consent, she has this to say concerning Paul Okami's work in the aforementioned book:
Paul Okami, Ph.D, is Consulting Editor of The Journal of Sex Research, and author and co-author of numerous sexuality studies such as Childhood exposure to parental nudity, parent-child co-sleeping, and "primal scenes": A review of clinical opinion and empirical evidence (The Journal of Sex Research), Sexual experiences in early childhood: 18-year longitudinal data from the UCLA Family Lifestyles Project (The Journal of Sex Research), Self-reports of "positive" childhood and adolescent sexual contacts with older persons: An exploratory study (Archives of Sexual Behavior), and Sociopolitical biases in the contemporary scientific literature on adult human sexual behavior with children and adolescents (in Pedophilia: Biosocial Dimensions, ed. J. Fiereman).
He states that "Any time you deal with a group of relationships that are illegal and compare them to a group of relationships that are legal, it would be surprising to find that there weren't negative effects associated with the illegal relationships that you don't normally see in the legal ones. This is true if only because there may be added stress in the illegal relationships related to fear of discovery, and all sorts of painful consequences of actual discovery.
He states that "Any time you deal with a group of relationships that are illegal and compare them to a group of relationships that are legal, it would be surprising to find that there weren't negative effects associated with the illegal relationships that you don't normally see in the legal ones. This is true if only because there may be added stress in the illegal relationships related to fear of discovery, and all sorts of painful consequences of actual discovery.
She quotes more of what he has to say concerning the subject in the aforementioned article.
phlogistician said:scott3x said:You're wrong on the first and I believe you're wrong on the second as well. Again, I ask you to take a look at the book Pedophilia: Biosocial Dimensions. You may find that there's a copy in a library near you, as I did.
I have little interest in reading such a book, and certainly no wish having it on any record with my name against it.
Well, that last part I can understand; I myself was leery of pulling it out of the library about 7 years ago or so and things haven't exactly gotten more relaxed on the subject. Our society has engaged in something of a witch hunt in regards to this issue, but caving in to said witch hunt isn't going to make things any better. I believe it will take the work of many more brave souls, such as Judith Levine's good work in her book Harmful to Minors, before people begin to realize how protection can morph into oppression and even leave lasting psychological damage.