LOL, are you arguing both parties are skumbags?
Pubs howl at the dems for spending, yet they spent.
Dems howl at the Pubs for being war mongers, yet they war monger.
Republicans are already selling access to government in order to raise money!
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LOL, are you arguing both parties are skumbags?
Pubs howl at the dems for spending, yet they spent.
Dems howl at the Pubs for being war mongers, yet they war monger.
Obama: Hurry and pass the stimulus or unemployment will exceed 8%. It is now at 9.7%.
Obama: Hurry and pass cap and trade or the earth will turn into the sun. We are very cold this year.
I can go on and on.
Life is rough, having your party call you a reactionary....not very nice I understand. But show me where Dems have engaged in fear mongering anywhere close to that promulgated by the Republicans. Show me where Democrats have fear mongering as one of their written objectives. You can't because that does not exist.
Obama's statement about unemployment was correct. We did need a stimulus bill and unemployment would be much worse if it did not pass. Our economy was in much worse shape than Obama realized at the time he made that statement. He was using the best available data. Subsequently additional data came in indicating the recession was going to be much worse and it was. You can nail Obama for being wrong on the unemployment number because he spoke before he had all of the data. But just because he was off on the magnitude of the problem does not mean he was wrong about the problem or the fix. I think todays unemployment numbers validates that Obama's approach to fixing our economic mess has been spot on.
Two, show me where Obama said "Hurry and pass cap and trade or the earth will turn into the sun." Again you cannot because Obama never made that statement or anything like it. You were just following Republican Party line, make shit up and scare people.
He said Cap and Trade was a good solution to Global Warming brought about by increasing amounts of CO2 in the atomsphere and provide jobs to American workers, jobs that will stay and reduce our trade deficits. If you believe in science and reason then you will not have an issue with any of that line of thinking.
Your post does not operate in the real world.
Your master said Gitmo is evil and stroked fear that this causes terrorism..
Yet, look at Obama,
This is Obama's hidden Gitmo
March 16, 2009
Samp pointed to the Obama administration’s effort to dismiss a suit by five detainees who say they were tortured by arguing that the case would reveal state secrets.Obama’s lawyers similarly adopted the Bush administration’s position on prisoners at the U.S. Air Force base in Bagram, Afghanistan, arguing that those captives shouldn’t have access to U.S. courts.Then last week, the administration told a judge that the president can detain people who “substantially supported” al- Qaeda or the Taliban in Afghanistan.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aW8wx6SxzpfI&refer=us
This is many things I can post.
Your party is garbage.
Jack_;2493734 Your party is garbage.[/QUOTE said:
I can agree with you on this. I do not care about parties.
LOL, I hate to say it but you guys are all so predictable. You can no stand on your facts or reason so you have to go to the ad hominem (personal attacks). Once, just once, I would like to meet a Republican/conservative devotee with a brain...someone who is honest and can reason and knows something of which they speak.
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"If the dittoheads voters have any gray matter at all and if the egotisitical can get past their egos one might think they would be a little offended at being manipulated by the Republican Party Nation's leadership. Now those "ifs" are huge, and the outcome remains to be seen."
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But thanks for proving my point.
~Raithere
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But thanks for proving my point.
~Raithere
Enjoy the delusion.
Oh no, I'm quite certain they will be able to maintain the self-deception. That is the reason for my dismay.
Much like any sales meeting presentation I've ever seen. Simplistic, energetic, and aiming your sales force directly at the emotions. You don't sell by engaging people's intellect. You may pretend that's what you're doing but only in order to bolster their egos.
Again, I fail to see anything that wasn't already obvious. It's kind of like reporting yesterday's weather.
~Raithere
joepistole said:
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an audience Friday "never waste a good crisis," and highlighted the opportunity of rebuilding economies in a greener, less energy-intensive way.
“The displacement of hundreds of millions of climate refugees, civil unrest, chaos and the collapse of governance in many developing countries, large-scale crop failures and the spread of deadly diseases.” - Al Gore
“If you don't do this, nobody argues with the fact that cost of Medicare is going to consume the entire federal government” - Barak Obama
"If we leave before the mission is complete, if we withdraw, the enemy will follow us home." - Barak Obama
"Craig Miller doesn’t care who he hurts as long as he sends the customer out the door with another drink for the road and their money in his hands." - Jesse Ferguson
One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it. - Barak Obama
"A Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ad
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It claims terror attacks have increased four-fold under Bush, which isn't true.
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the ad's images of bazooka-toting terrorists and Osama bin Laden, associated with men furtively crossing the border..." - http://www.factcheck.org/article417.html
Fish in a barrel.
~Raithere
One party is incompetent; the other is simply evil
And strange standards. To wit:
It's not a particularly comfortable distinction, but there is a difference between the manipulative politics of old and flat out making shit up. Americans are unfortunately accustomed to the one. The Republicans hope to exploit this by taking up the other.
Or, what are the Democratic Party's equivalents of conservative white-slavery fearmongering or death panels?
Anyone? Anyone?
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Notes:
Krugman, Paul. "Senator Bunning's Universe". The New York Times. March 5, 2010; page A27. NYTimes.com. March 5, 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/opinion/05krugman.html
Raithere said:
And strange standards. To wit:
... the parties now live in different universes, both intellectually and morally. We can ask how that happened; there, too, the parties live in different worlds. Republicans would say that it's because Democrats have moved sharply left: a Republican National Committee fund-raising plan acquired by Politico suggests motivating donors by promising to "save the country from trending toward socialism." I'd say that it's because Republicans have moved hard to the right, furiously rejecting ideas they used to support. Indeed, the Obama health care plan strongly resembles past G.O.P. plans.
(Krugman)
(Krugman)
It's not a particularly comfortable distinction, but there is a difference between the manipulative politics of old and flat out making shit up. Americans are unfortunately accustomed to the one. The Republicans hope to exploit this by taking up the other.
Or, what are the Democratic Party's equivalents of conservative white-slavery fearmongering or death panels?
Anyone? Anyone?
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Notes:
Krugman, Paul. "Senator Bunning's Universe". The New York Times. March 5, 2010; page A27. NYTimes.com. March 5, 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/opinion/05krugman.html
Very good post Tiassa!
Right wing whackos seem to think there is something wrong with addressing a crisis head on. You are a fool if you want to handle every crisis like the George II administration.
All of the things you listed are true statements. You know it is one thing for leaders to point out critical issues and it is quite another to make up issues to scare people.
Your delusion that both parties do it. Democrat don't make shit up to scare people. Just because Republicans refuse to accept scientific proofs does not mean there are not proofs.
WillNever
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I don't like raining on your hate parade here... but if you are a member of MoveOn.org, then you would know that President Obama has been "selling access to the government" for a while now in mass e-mails addressed to members. Check it out:
Here's another:
Excuse me.? Hey asshole... the whole idea behind health care reform was to institute public healthcare reform. Fuck the insurance companies. I don't care if they get "reformed" or not. What people expect is a tax supported public health care system... just like every other modern nation -except- us already enjoys.
And as if that wasn't slimy enough, read what Obama says a bit later in his letter. Why are we donating money..? To whom..? Is this some kind of blackmail, or what..? Why do Americans need to give money to Congress..? To offset the corrupt, under-the-table donations that they're all accepting from the insurance companies..? Does Obama want us to BRIBE OUR OWN CONGRESS to get them to do their fucking job..?
What the hell is this shit..? For what reason does the President ask the people to send money to the government in exchange for legislation..? Why does he need donations from the public..? Don't our taxes already pay for the salaries of these fucking corporate whores..?! And when did it start being called "insurance reform" instead of health care reform..? First the bastard loots the treasury and gives it to Wall Street... and now he wants to pick our pockets, in exchange for legislation? I've been predicting (and dreading) this bullshit for the past ten years and lo and behold, here it is: a government for hire.
My direct ancestors didn't need to be bribed when they fought at Bunker Hill. They fought because they had principles and they had the courage to stand up for those principles. They were lions -- not sheep.
We need more lions in America. And we need them right now.
Here's another:
Why is the President asking us for money..? In this letter from Obama, he doesn't even refer to it as "health care reform" anymore. Now, he's calling it "health insurance reform."
Excuse me.? Hey asshole... the whole idea behind health care reform was to institute public healthcare reform. Fuck the insurance companies. I don't care if they get "reformed" or not. What people expect is a tax supported public health care system... just like every other modern nation -except- us already enjoys.
And as if that wasn't slimy enough, read what Obama says a bit later in his letter. Why are we donating money..? To whom..? Is this some kind of blackmail, or what..? Why do Americans need to give money to Congress..? To offset the corrupt, under-the-table donations that they're all accepting from the insurance companies..? Does Obama want us to BRIBE OUR OWN CONGRESS to get them to do their fucking job..?
What the hell is this shit..? For what reason does the President ask the people to send money to the government in exchange for legislation..? Why does he need donations from the public..? Don't our taxes already pay for the salaries of these fucking corporate whores..?! And when did it start being called "insurance reform" instead of health care reform..? First the bastard loots the treasury and gives it to Wall Street... and now he wants to pick our pockets, in exchange for legislation? I've been predicting (and dreading) this bullshit for the past ten years and lo and behold, here it is: a government for hire.
My direct ancestors didn't need to be bribed when they fought at Bunker Hill. They fought because they had principles and they had the courage to stand up for those principles. They were lions -- not sheep.
We need more lions in America. And we need them right now.
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Care to demonstrate some proofs of your claim? My guess is no, because you cannot. It is much easier to resort to ad hominem (personal attacks) than it is to prove your point of view and when you have no supporting facts ad hominem is all you have.
I have no master, I am not a Republican dittohead.
And for the record Obama did not say Gitmo was evil nor did he say it was the cause of terrorism. He did say that it is used as a recruitment tool for terrorists. There is fine difference. It certianly brings no moral high ground to the US. Yes when Obama walked into office he discovered a big mess in Gitmo, more than he expected. The reality is the detainees were miss handled from the very begining. Obama now has to sort it out which requires the continuance of Gitmo for a period of time. But what has this to do with the line of discussion, nothing.
I am sure you can post many things as typical with people of your point of view. But that does not mean the postings will be truthful or even relevant. I have dealt with many like you over the course of time. So there is nothing new for me in your posts that has not been written before by other advocates of limbaugh, levin, hannity, beck, et al.
Just one thing, what is my party? I have no party, I am an Independent. I vote for Republicans or Democrats depending on who is better. But I have to admit I have not voted for a Republican since George II came to power. I used to be a Republican, back before it went to the shrubs.