Republican Tea Party Candidate goons handcuff reporter.

[Tiassa]

Tea stains

The upshot is that we're finally getting a glimpse of what Tea Party America would look like. Fire services? We'll let your house burn to the ground if you don't pay up. Police? Who needs 'em if you've got private security to handcuff and detain whoever you don't like? Constitutional values? Who says you have to know what the Constitution says? Medical bills? Barter with chickens. And it's not so much that various minorities all look alike, but they all look like each other, too. Conflicts between words and deeds? No problem, just threaten to take out those who question you. Oh, and have you seen the dancing monkeys?

Empires in decline undergo radical transformations, often seeming each more ludicrous and decadent than the last. And why not? We're only all in it together as long as that means we can play every man for himself while drifting on the life raft.

You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need;
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style'
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye, and an easy smile—
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.

—Pink Floyd, "Dogs"​

And why not? It's the only dignified way to live, right?

Welcome to the Tea Party. Won't you join them?

 

[joepistole]

If your candidates who are asking for your votes won't answer constitutent questions and threaten constituents with violence even before they are elected to office, what makes you think they will change if they should attain that office?

 

[Pinwheel]

The responsibility of office and the honour of serving the People will set them straight. Awww com'on Joe please vote for them.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Can you prove any of these allegations? I know they are popular on right wing extremist web sites. But none of them that I have seen, offer any proof of claim.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/15/mccain-adviser-arrested-o_n_119140.html

Joe, was he a advisor for McCain when it happened? no----it happened in 1997, and it was a hunting shotgun, in a case, with 2 rounds of ammunition, not a Uzi sub machine gun and a pistol, with several magazines of ammo, being carried concealed.

All so if you care to read your citation a little further:

-- notably, an aide to Democrat Jim Webb -- have also been arrested for illegally bringing firearms onto congressional property.

Read it and weep joe, not only do we have Teddy and His Goon Squad, we also have Senator James Webb (Dem) and His aide;

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/webb-defends-gun-toting-posse/

The aide, Phillip Thompson......A 9 mm handgun and two magazines........

This is not the first time police manning checkpoints into congressional buildings have stumbled upon weapons. In 1986, a bodyguard for Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, was arrested when he entered a Senate building with two submachine guns and a pistol.
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Yes, the Democrats who are anti-gun sure don't have a problem with arming themselves, their aides and their goon squads, but don't let the citizen have His God Given Constitutional Right to defend themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

No joe, they are not allogations, they are facts, some thing you should read joe.....the Kennedy incident was cited;

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/72lund.pdf

2. Kennedy Guard Arrested For Guns, CHI. TRIB., Jan. 15, 1986, § 1, at 9; Elsa Walsh, Bodyguard's Gun Charges To
Stand, WASH. POST, Oct. 16, 1987, at C2.

 

[Tiassa]

(chortle!)

Yes, the Democrats who are anti-gun sure don't have a problem with arming themselves, their aides and their goon squads, but don't let the citizen have His God Given Constitutional Right to defend themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

(chortle!)

The Second Amendment provides for private security teams to handcuff and detain people at will? Is this more of your expert constitutional scholarship? Really, please do detail this one for us.

 

[joepistole]

Joe, was he a advisor for McCain when it happened? no----it happened in 1997, and it was a hunting shotgun, in a case, with 2 rounds of ammunition, not a Uzi sub machine gun and a pistol, with several magazines of ammo, being carried concealed.

All so if you care to read your citation a little further:

Read it and weep joe, not only do we have Teddy and His Goon Squad, we also have Senator James Webb (Dem) and His aide;

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/webb-defends-gun-toting-posse/

The aide, Phillip Thompson......A 9 mm handgun and two magazines........

This is not the first time police manning checkpoints into congressional buildings have stumbled upon weapons. In 1986, a bodyguard for Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, was arrested when he entered a Senate building with two submachine guns and a pistol.
____________________________

Yes, the Democrats who are anti-gun sure don't have a problem with arming themselves, their aides and their goon squads, but don't let the citizen have His God Given Constitutional Right to defend themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

No joe, they are not allogations, they are facts, some thing you should read joe.....the Kennedy incident was cited;

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/72lund.pdf

2. Kennedy Guard Arrested For Guns, CHI. TRIB., Jan. 15, 1986, § 1, at 9; Elsa Walsh, Bodyguard's Gun Charges To
Stand, WASH. POST, Oct. 16, 1987, at C2.

A couple of things mr. buffalo roam. First, and as pointed out to you before, your allegations have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Two, you have not identified an instance in which Democrat candidates for office routinely run from the press and refuse to answer questions put to them by reporters. Three, you have not identified a single Democrat candidate who arrested, handcuffed and threatened reporters when they dared to ask them relevant questions.

This thread is not about gun control. It is not about guns period. It is about despicable behavior of candidates running for office.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

A couple of things mr. buffalo roam. First, and as pointed out to you before, your allegations have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Two, you have not identified an instance in which Democrat candidates for office routinely run from the press and refuse to answer questions put to them by reporters. Three, you have not identified a single Democrat candidate who arrested, handcuffed and threatened reporters when they dared to ask them relevant questions.

This thread is not about gun control. It is not about guns period. It is about despicable behavior of candidates running for office.

joe, now why aren't you having a fit about Tiassa and post 21? selective outrage, typical of liberals.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Seems that there was nothing to bring charges for;

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...urity-hopfinger-arrest-101710,0,6211920.story

"After careful review by the Municipal Prosecutor's office of witness statements, police reports, and other materials relating to this incident, it has been determined that no criminal charges will be filed against any party," Patterson said in a statement.

Yes, joe, I find it very funny when you go into your spin routine, you ask me to provide proof that Kennedy's security broke the law, and I did, along with other members of the Democratic left who have had not only security teams but armed security, who were in violation of weapons laws on Federal Property, but also the District of Columbia.......yes what did Kennedys team need submachine guns for on congressional property? or why did Democrat Jim Webb aide need a loaded gun on congressional property?

 

[Bells]

Hahahaaa!!

Yes, the Democrats who are anti-gun sure don't have a problem with arming themselves, their aides and their goon squads, but don't let the citizen have His God Given Constitutional Right to defend themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

Defend himself against what? Questions?

So Miller had to defend himself against questions by having hired goons, all armed, who weren't even legally registered as security, to arrest and detain people at will - note they are not police officers but unregistered security people - and have zero powers to arrest anyone on public land? All because of some questions?

How exactly is that constitutional? So the US now no longer has freedom of the press.. on public land mind you?

This harks back to the type of politics the likes of Mugabe engages in. And here you are defending it?

You keep giving us links about democrats who hire registered and armed security personnel - all in accordance to your Constitution - in response to a Candidate's hired and unregistered security arresting and detaining someone on public land over a question the candidate did not wish to answer - which amounts to completely ignoring your Constitution and your Bill of Rights..

This really is too funny.

 

[Bells]

Seems that there was nothing to bring charges for;

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...urity-hopfinger-arrest-101710,0,6211920.story

Did you read your link?

They are saying that the journalist had not broken any laws and that basically, he should not have been detained and arrested by Millers private little police force.

Don't you quite understand what happened here? His security force were acting like a private police force.. all unregistered at the time. Do you not find that somewhat concerning that candidates are hiring private police forces to arrest and detain journalists for asking questions they don't want to answer? I understand they are the Tea Party and you can't stop venerating them, but really Buffalo. You keep harping on about the Constitution, but you can't see how this particular candidate is acting outside of said Constitution by having his private little police force arresting and detaining people for merely asking questions?

There is no excuse or explanation for this.

 

[John99]

Believe it or not in the U.S you can make citizens arrests.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Did you read your link?

They are saying that the journalist had not broken any laws and that basically, he should not have been detained and arrested by Millers private little police force.

Don't you quite understand what happened here? His security force were acting like a private police force.. all unregistered at the time. Do you not find that somewhat concerning that candidates are hiring private police forces to arrest and detain journalists for asking questions they don't want to answer? I understand they are the Tea Party and you can't stop venerating them, but really Buffalo. You keep harping on about the Constitution, but you can't see how this particular candidate is acting outside of said Constitution by having his private little police force arresting and detaining people for merely asking questions?

There is no excuse or explanation for this.

And have you read the link, neither did the security guards......

 

[Bells]

Believe it or not in the U.S you can make citizens arrests.

Yes. But he had not broken any law that required a citizen's arrest. All he did was ask Miller questions.

So since when was it illegal to ask a political candidate questions? He was apparently arrested for trespass and assault... Soooo he was trespassing on public land? Again, there is no basis in law for his arrest.

And have you read the link, neither did the security guards......

Oh I read the link.

And the link was clear. The journalist who was arrested by Miller's private police had not broken any laws. So why did they arrest him Buffalo?

Do you now support the use of private police forces who can detain and arrest members of the media at will?

 

[madanthonywayne]

Well, Joe, I'm glad you've found something better than your attack on the chamber of commerce to hang your hat on.

The Tea Party is a grass roots movement with, obviously, not much of a vetting process. Some kooks have slipped in, and some idiots (O'Donnell), but anything would be an improvement over our present congress.

 

[pjdude1219]

Well, Joe, I'm glad you've found something better than your attack on the chamber of commerce to hang your hat on.

The Tea Party is a grass roots movement with, obviously, not much of a vetting process. Some kooks have slipped in, and some idiots (O'Donnell), but anything would be an improvement over our present congress.

the tea party has the same relationship with grass roots and hot asphault does

 

[Tiassa]

Astroturf

The Tea Party is a grass roots movement with, obviously, not much of a vetting process. Some kooks have slipped in, and some idiots (O'Donnell), but anything would be an improvement over our present congress.

The Tea Party is grass roots like Christine O'Donnell is a smart, viable candidate.

 

[joepistole]

the tea party has the same relationship with grass roots and hot asphault does

That was pretty good PJ. Well said.

 

[joepistole]

joe, now why aren't you having a fit about Tiassa and post 21? selective outrage, typical of liberals.

Because Tiassa's post 21 was totally relevant ot the topic of this thread. Your unwillingness or inability to recognize that fact does not mean it is not true - typical of limbaugh devotees.

Two, you have failed to prove your allegations despite several challenges to do so - again not atypical of you.

And let me add my voice to that of Bell's and remind you again the topic of this thread....the use of force and threats of physical violence by Republican/Tea Party candidates in order to avoid answering question from the press.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Yes. But he had not broken any law that required a citizen's arrest. All he did was ask Miller questions.

So since when was it illegal to ask a political candidate questions? He was apparently arrested for trespass and assault... Soooo he was trespassing on public land? Again, there is no basis in law for his arrest.

And once the candidate has answered the question, to continue to harass Him is stalking.

Oh I read the link.

And the link was clear. The journalist who was arrested by Miller's private police had not broken any laws. So why did they arrest him Buffalo?

Then did you also see that the security didn't do anything that they could be charged for?

Do you now support the use of private police forces who can detain and arrest members of the media at will?[/QUOTE]

Now do you know the difference between being detained and arrested, there is a legal distinction, even you should know that......no where in the article did it say that the reporter was arrested.

And guess what people are detained every day by private security across the country....even you should know that, yes every day, thousands of times.

 

[joepistole]

And once the candidate has answered the question, to continue to harass Him is stalking.

Where is your evidence to support this allegation? Let me guess, you forgot it and left it at home.

A Miller supporter who watched the event has made public statements that the reporter did nothing wrong and nothing worthy of arrest.

Then did you also see that the security didn't do anything that they could be charged for?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_arrest

Do you now support the use of private police forces who can detain and arrest members of the media at will?

Now do you know the difference between being detained and arrested, there is a legal distinction, even you should know that......no where in the article did it say that the reporter was arrested.

I suppose the reason they placed the reporter in handcuffs was because they were playing some weird sex games?

http://falseimprisonment.uslegal.com/civil-actions-for-false-imprisonment/

And guess what people are detained every day by private security across the country....even you should know that, yes every day, thousands of times.

Yes every day people are arrested for shoplifting and other offenses by private security firms. But private security firms are not arresting people every day for asking questions to candidates for public office.

I think you need to reread Tiassa's posts on freedom of speech. We still have freedom of speech in this country. You conservatives have not yet taken that right away from us yet.