Rap or Crap?

cool skill said:
Yes. Whites are not superior to anybody. It is simple racism. Rap music is great music that talks about reality. There is no other music anywhere that portrays reality like rap music does.
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What "reality" is that? and who's reality is that?

Some folks like music that can take you away from "reality", the african rap "reality" is not a way of life that I would injoy. Fighting, degrading women, being a player, getting all da bling bling, big pimpin, fuck da police, and what a good rap song without a little fuck whitey. Most rap in very primitive thats the reality.

I see it as a immuture form of music, and thats why kids like it so much.

But hey teach me, whats your favorite rap song and why?
 
W00t! 3000.

It is reality. It portrays reality whether you would enjoy it or not. There is nothing primitive about rap music. It is another form of poetry like any other form of poetry. Rap music is more progressive because it reflects reality like no other music does.
Not all poetry is beautiful sonnets and haiku. Rappers write about ugly topics because we live in an unjust life.

Consider:
"They say rap is too violent. It's not constructive.
But until we see some change.
Until we are able to live a constructive life.
We aint never going to stop rapping about bitches and hos.
And guns and shows.
Cause that's all we motherfucking knows and that's how it goes.
So don't be testing the poor.
We tired of paying them dues. . .

We're living in the land of the lies and they label it land of the free.
But only if you agree to get down on your knees.
And do whatever them crackers please.
We pay taxes to work and more taxes when we buy.
And they wonder why I continue.
Roaming the city with agenda for crime. . ."

"Let them know you don't care.
Lick some motherfucking shots in the air.
Say buck buck buck.
We don't work for the system.
Buck buck buck.
We don't do dirt for the system.
Buck Buck Buck.
We don't do the least bit of spit for no racist ass.
Suckers that feel that they can keep us on the floor.
Kiss my nuts bitch because I aint your mother fucking slave no more.
Until we see some change we're going to continue to steal.
Until we see some change we're going to continue to deal. . ."

"Soon as I step off the stage.
Them crooked ass pigs in my face.
Can't wait.
To provide me with a life in the crate.
I'm straight engaging.
No fingers to point elevating my cause in the case they come slave me. . ."

"We're so tired of your shit and we're so tired of your lies.
How are we supposed to put a stop to the violence.
When you controlling our rights and our lives. . .

. . . We got no food and our children aint got no shoes to cover their feet.
While we're suffering all of the tricks of the trade.
You sitting there collecting up all of the treats.
Leaving us with just enough to keep us on our feet.
Doing the worst of your dirt for practically free."
 
good rap cool skill. there is a bunch of garbage rap, but you have to understand the history of rappers to understand why they rap about the stuff they rap about. If you lived in the ghetto, would you be rhyming about sunny rainbows? You'd probably rap about stuff around you, and what you believe is reality and life. I dont live in the ghetto, but I've gone down there for reasons I dont need to say, and its not good. Though there are some idiots to where, if a white kid goes down there at night, he'll be killed because of his color. Its just stupid racism. But whites are also raciest, so are mexicans. This is of course, not speaking of everyone, just the group of people that are racist.
 
I honestly can't stand rap, but that is most likely because what I originally heard was the crappy kind. Seeing the average rapper now, however, I put them in the same class as boy bands and soloists like Britney Spears: these people have almost entirely ruined the industry. I'm sure there is good rap just like any other kind of music, but I can't listen to it. The common joke around my musically inclined friends is that all it takes to be a rapper is a drumbeat machine and a thesaurus. Call me simpleminded but I hold out the tradition of Classic Rock. Long live the Rolling Stones!
 
That is simple minded. Rap is nothing like crap boy bands and Britney Spears. There are Britney Spears of rap such as Eminem, Ja Rule, and Pitbull. They are a joke. Rap is music of revolution. Much of it is about head busting, but much of it also has no curse words or violence. Rap is social awareness. No other music brings the culture of the struggling class out, and makes these issues known like rap music does. The music and vocalization style even without the lyrics reflect such culture. This is the music of the people. This is the music the high minded place value in.
 
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spidergoat said:
Rap and Hip Hop are awesome, Rock and Roll will never die, but it's just not where it's at these days.
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Rap is rock and roll, just as rock and roll is jazz.

Rock is a form of jazz generally having most of these characteristics: a strong backbeat, heavy syncopation, a blues modality, a prominent rhythm section, loud singing, and lyrics with an air of rebellion or some other atitude often calculated to offend non-fans.

Rap satisfies all of those except perhaps for the modality since the hard-core stuff has almost no melody and harmony.

Rap will be folded back into rock and roll eventually, making it richer. In fact it's already happening. Many bands have sung verses with rapped bridges or vice versa, e.g. Linkin Park.
 
cool skill said:
There are Britney Spears of rap such as Eminem, Ja Rule, and Pitbull.
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I think eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. When he dies, he'll be like 2Pac & B.I.G. but until then, he's just a good rapper. Ja Rule I could really couldn't care less for. Pitbull is good for what he is. Spanish hip-hop. I wouldn't consider him a rapper, but all of these rappers market themselves good. So they're making money. And if you want to hear some rap that doesn't have lots of curse worse & violence try searching KRS-1. He mostly raps about underground, how mainstream artists have lost they're touch, how he's still loyal to the people who helped him, how its hard where black people live, and he says some things about big artists having lots of "bling" and that he doesn't need jewlrey to be a man. He's actually pretty good. He created hip-hop appriciation week, and helped create rap. Though he's kind of disgusted with how most rappers rap about money, cars, and women. Just something you can look up if you want to check some good underground rap out.
 
Sauce said:
I think eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time.
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That's a real joke. Eminem is like the Britney Spears of rap. Zero talent, and lots of sales. He only sells for one reason. He is a white person backed by Dr. Dre. He can't write. His lyrics are weak. His vocals are mediocre and common. Benzino even told it like it is. Eminem is worse than Vanilla Ice. At least Ice can dance and has better lyrics.
I think though the argument that white people are trying to steal hip hop is gay. Rap music belongs to no race. Eminem is selling his music to dunces, making a ton of money, and enjoying his fame. It does not make him any less of an idiot. Hell, GW Bush is the president of our country, and everybody knows that there is no retard not even Britney and Eminem put together that is dumber than he is.
 
First, any rapper that can dance, to me, is just a member of a boy band (or at least resembles one.) Vanilla Ice was FUNNY, not good or talented. Actually read some of Em's lyrics word for word. He doesn't have to rap about chicks, cars, and killing people. And he's not afraid to laugh at himself, whereas rappers these day have to be tough to be good. I would keep arguing, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion, so this is really a never-ending argument. Thanks for the thoughts though cool skill
 
cool skill said:
That is simple minded. Rap is nothing like crap boy bands and Britney Spears. There are Britney Spears of rap such as Eminem, Ja Rule, and Pitbull. They are a joke. Rap is music of revolution. Much of it is about head busting, but much of it also has no curse words or violence. Rap is social awareness. No other music brings the culture of the struggling class out, and makes these issues known like rap music does. The music and vocalization style even without the lyrics reflect such culture. This is the music of the people. This is the music the high minded place value in.
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I didn't mean the music was similar. If you look at the most popular rappers, however, you will see that most of them write the same music about the same things not caring about the creation process. Rap is like a perversion of Soul music, without the soul. There is hardly any process to the creation of mainstream rap. People seem to like it that way. Paul McArtney once wrote a love song in which he said you'd think people would get tired of silly love songs. Yet nobody did. Now it's the same, except people don't get tired of silly hate songs. The majority of popular rap is empowered by hatred, which in itself isn't so bad except that there is no variety. When you then add the effects of a "Rap Culture", you see a major portion of the music industry formulating on hatred, which is not good for the average listener. Half the time I can't even get my radio stations because of interference from a damned rap station. A station that didn't exist until the rise of Eminem. As much as you might think poorly of him and others of his ilk, it is undeniable that guys like him will be ruling the industry for quite a while. I'll stick with my classic rock, thank you. After all the years it still hasn't left me, thank God.
 
certified psycho said:
Making a rap song take no talent what so ever. All you need to do know how to rhyme, talk about killing people, talk about ''bitches and ho's'', and have 10 guys in the back of you just paid to say 'UH'.

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Obviously you didn't read my posts before you posted your own. If you read one of them, I said KRS-1 doesn't rap about any of that. He doesn't talk about killing people, he mocks mainstream rappers that rap about "bitches and ho's", and how jewlrey is a girl's best friend, not his. Search KRS-1 if you want to know more. He's actually very intelligent.
 
Most Rap is unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the people who produce it.
 
Most of J.B's posts are an unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the person who produces it.
 
spidergoat said:
Most of J.B's posts are an unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the person who produces it.
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Personal attacks are unintelligent and a angry form of expression, I noticed that rap is alot of personal attacks and insults.
 
Is it unintelligent to sing about your superiority, and thus win the hearts of admiring and fat assed bitches? I didn't think so.
 
Rap is about sex and drugs and how black epople are better than white people. Rap I think is stupid, and that there is only one good rapper...whcih is eminem because he makes fun of all of the stupid people
 
I'm just getting into rap. I like it, but most of the mainstream stuff I hear on the local pop station sucks. Exceptions: Eminem's lyrics are nothing special (sometimes they're funny), but he's extremely well produced, and that's why I like his music. Outkast is very good. The Black Eyed Peas come out with something decent every once and a while. I figured out a while ago that the mainstream is not the place to look for quality hip-hop.

By the way, to me, hip-hop seems to borrow more from house or techno than rock. It's very electronic.
 
spidergoat said:
Is it unintelligent to sing about your superiority, and thus win the hearts of admiring and fat assed bitches? I didn't think so.
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Is this ebonics?
 
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