Rap or Crap?

So you think if people don't see a black person in a film every 30 seconds we'll all start lynching them or something? I mean why does their HAVE to be a quota of minorities brought into everything? You suggest that it's only important in something with "media influence" - what about "affirmative action" in universites, the workplace, etc? That's essentially what my point addressed. It's all the same....and if you think that we are in a state of "whitecentrism"....turn on MTV. I can't flick through the music channels without 75% of it being "oh baby you so fahhhn" type crap.

Why is it necessary that a film contains a quota of minorities? Are the streets not full enough of them already? Will they disappear if Superman doesn't hire a 14% black cast? Or would you prefer if we subliminally flashed "White people suck" throughout the film and before the credits it said "Please continue to take a slice of the white man's pie. Kill whitey" and then all the white people in the cinema get an electric shock or something?
 
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By recognizing that there is a possibility of differences, we will always keep some difference.
By thinking one race superior, or one gender, or one religion, we are all admitting the possibility of an unknowably absolute. In our ignorance, we take stand for something pathetically idiotic. Creating this equal opportunities bull will only extent the seperation. It is as stupid as "seperate but equal". Because someone was born a different color skin, they are put apart. Not because they are ignorant, disabled or even born into bad neighborhoods, but because of the skin color.
The equality is on how one will's to live life; everyone has that same oportunity.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
So you think if people don't see a black person in a film every 30 seconds we'll all start lynching them or something? I mean why does their HAVE to be a quota of minorities brought into everything? You suggest that it's only important in something with "media influence" - what about "affirmative action" in universites, the workplace, etc? That's essentially what my point addressed. It's all the same....and if you think that we are in a state of "whitecentrism"....turn on MTV. I can't flick through the music channels without 75% of it being "oh baby you so fahhhn" type crap.
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Whitecentricism is everywhere.
I never suggested that it is important only in something with media influence.
I suggested that everything in media especially a movie like superman is intentional for the sake of social cultural manipulation. The movie in no way goes along with the storyline in the comic book. They could have easily created a multicultural cast, but they decided to to put nothing ut white people in the movie.

Affirmative action and equal opportunity prevent discrimination and racism when hiring employees. We live in a society where white people get the most pay, white people control the most government offices, and white people control the most media. Equal opportunity prevents minorities from being discriminated against.
 
Weirdomandude said:
By recognizing that there is a possibility of differences, we will always keep some difference.
By thinking one race superior, or one gender, or one religion, we are all admitting the possibility of an unknowably absolute. In our ignorance, we take stand for something pathetically idiotic. Creating this equal opportunities bull will only extent the seperation. It is as stupid as "seperate but equal". Because someone was born a different color skin, they are put apart. Not because they are ignorant, disabled or even born into bad neighborhoods, but because of the skin color.
The equality is on how one will's to live life; everyone has that same oportunity.
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Everybody has equal rights. We live in a country in which gives privaleges to white people simply because they are white. This is not upholding equal rights. This is not fair to minorities. Rap music is an expression of the realities going on in America despite the ignorance of those who turn the blind eye to the racism that goes on against all minorities.
 
cool skill said:
They could have easily created a multicultural cast, but they decided to to put nothing ut white people in the movie.
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What do you think about Lord of the Rings? Do you think that should have had a multicultural cast? The cast was entirely white IIRC.

Affirmative Action and equal opportunity prevent discrimination and racism when hiring employees. We live in a society where white people get the most pay, white people control the most government offices, and white people control the most media. Equal opportunity prevents minorities from being discriminated against.
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Wrong. Affirmative action IS racism. One of the most basic ideas is that they DO discriminate. As for white people controlling everything, you say this as if it's a bad thing. Why should that be the case when 1) It's not unreasonable in any country for the majority culture to be in control of a majority of "things", and 2) White people discovered/brought/built all those things in the first place?

If we are talking about an area in which non-white people have contributed greatly (let's say for example music) you can hardly say that white people exclusively control that what with all the ghetto gangstas riding around in gold plated bentleys (and how much are *they* giving to starving africans?) these days.

Seems to me that you're the bigger racist here.
 
cool skill said:
Everybody has equal rights. We live in a country in which gives privaleges to white people simply because they are white.
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That is completely the opposite of reality. What about "Affirmative Action"? You mentioned that yourself. Affirmative Action gives priveleges to NON-WHITE PEOPLE just for the fact that they are not white.

So what you actually meant is, you live in a country which gives priveleges to non-white people simply because they are not white.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
It's not unreasonable in any country for the majority culture to be in control of a majority of "things", and 2) White people discovered/brought/built all those things in the first place?
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Wrong.
The US government did not discover anything. They stole the land, and enslaved minorities to build everything. Which planet are you on?

It is unreasonable that whites get privaleges in the United States over minorities. Nobody should get privaleges. Affirmative Action is made to prevent such racism for the sake of equality.

You believe that whites should have more privaleges than other people. You are the ignorant racist.
 
They conquered the land. Are you saying that conquest is bad? Where do you think we'd be today if it wasn't for slavery? The only reason we don't use slaves now is that machines are our slaves, and they don't complain. The white man, in that case, was almost single-handedly responsible for the abolishment of slavery worldwide.

Nobody should get privaleges. Affirmative Action is made to prevent such racism for the sake of equality.
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Listen to yourself. Affirmative Action for the sake of equality? So you're saying, in order to promote equality, we should install a system which does not treat everyone equally? You say nobody should get priveleges? What exactly is getting a foot in the door of a university for not being white if it isn't a privelege? How exactly is getting into that university ahead of an equally qualified white person, and then getting better finance support than that white person regardless of that white person's income anything other than a privelege?

Where did I say that white people should have more priveleges than everyone else? What YOU are saying is that you believe non-white people should have more priveleges than white people simply because they are not a white person, which makes YOU the racist. It never seems to get through to you people that discrimination is discrimination.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
They conquered the land. Are you saying that conquest is bad?
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No I never said that, nor would anybody with any intelligence imply that I said that.
There is nothing wrong with "conquest" or better yet "interstellar expansion" provided that it is done peacefully by an intelligent community of scientists ans pacifists. Not unethically through brainless slavery, war, murder, theft, and deception.


G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
Where do you think we'd be today if it wasn't for slavery?
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Way way way waaaaaaaay more advanced.


G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
The white man, in that case, was almost single-handedly responsible for the abolishment of slavery worldwide.
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Wrong.
There is no such thing as a specific race that can claim responsibility for anything. I never once said or implied that the white man or any so called "race" was responsible for anything in any of my posts.


G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
Listen to yourself. Affirmative Action for the sake of equality? So you're saying, in order to promote equality, we should install a system which does not treat everyone equally? You say nobody should get priveleges? What exactly is getting a foot in the door of a university for not being white if it isn't a privelege? How exactly is getting into that university ahead of an equally qualified white person, and then getting better finance support than that white person regardless of that white person's income anything other than a privelege?

Where did I say that white people should have more priveleges than everyone else? What YOU are saying is that you believe non-white people should have more priveleges than white people simply because they are not a white person, which makes YOU the racist. It never seems to get through to you people that discrimination is discrimination.
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The only racist is you.
such a comment such as "It never seems to get through to you people" is a racist comment.

I never said non-whites should have more privalages.
I said whites currently have far more privalages, and everybody should get equal treatment.

The point is that we live in a country in which minorities are discriminated againts to an enormously greater magnitude tha whites.

Complaining about whites getting discriminated against is a joke compared to the amount of discrimination that goes on against minorities. Discrimination against anybody is unethical. White people complaining about being discriminated against is a joke. The next time I visit the jungle, and see people being trampled by elephants, I'll cry about being bitten by a mosquito.

You seem to believe that conquest, murder, taking advantage of others, taking land, and such is ethical, practical, and productive. Unfortunately, it is unethical, impractical, and a strain on real progress.
 
Peaceful conquest? Are you kidding?

By "you people", I meant "advocators of affirmative action". I didn't mean "Those dirty black people" or whatever you are implying....which goes to show you're reading my posts with your mind already made up.

You seem to believe that conquest, murder, taking advantage of others, taking land, and such is ethical, practical, and productive. Unfortunately, it is unethical, impractical, and a strain on real progress.
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It's called nature. More specifically, human nature. We form tribes. We fight the other tribes. It doesn't matter what scale it's on. While I don't agree with certain methods used by "the white man" while conquering various native peoples (i.e inviting, I think it was the Inca King for a meeting and then killing him) I think that honourable conquest of other peoples is exactly what we are supposed to be doing with our "time" here on earth. The world runs on "survival of the fittest" after all.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
It's called nature. More specifically, human nature.
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Regurgitated human nature fallacy again.
You might as well be saying the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it.
Try coming with a better argument without regurgitating the same baloney that has been repeated over and over through dozens of threads in this forum, and has no proof.

The only reason people use the "human nature" fallacy is because they have been culturally manipulated into such insubstantial paradigms.
 
Don't talk about cultural fucking manipulation.

What about sesame street/barney the dinosaur? "I love you, you love me, we're a happy family" is downright brainwashing. Get them while they're young.

Oprah Winfrey and her "everyone is the same" mantra is just as bad.

Please do explain how we'd be so much more advanced without slavery.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
What about sesame street/barney the dinosaur? "I love you, you love me, we're a happy family" is downright brainwashing.
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What, like teaching compassion, acceptance, etc. is wrong?

"everyone is the same" mantra is just as bad.
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But we kinda are. We're all humans, i.e the same species.
 
You talk like you are objective on this subject. You've most likely been exposed to the same brainwashing and politically correct talk the rest of us have.

Personally I think they should be teaching those kids a bit of competitive spirit rather than that sickening "happy family" crap.
 
Children shows are meant to bring positive attitudes to children. Your

entire attitude from your posts are negative disilusional, and yes I can

talk about brainwashing. I'm not the one making ignorant brainwashed

bundles of negativity.

They are teaching competative spirit and love and happiness.
Control is not just about mideducation. It is about feeding fear, anger,

and negative emotions to the oppressed.

There is nothing wrong whatsoever about family hapiness and love. There

need not be anything competative about it.


G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
Please do explain how we'd be so much more

advanced without slavery.
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What is so difficult to figure out?



I have already explained social manipulation in dozens of posts.

There are fallacies that primitve society accepts as truths at face value

even though there is no truth to them whatsoever.
Such is the fallacy of the earth being flat and the sun revolving around

the earth. It so plainly obvious at face value that nobody thinks to

question it.
More advanced thinking leads one to see beyond face value fallacies, not

even considering them.
While you accept face value fallacies as true.
Intellects do not even pay them any attention, being too busy seeking

insight to pay any mind to the face value.

Primitives also tend to use "always" fallacies as fact. There will

"always" be conflict" There will "always" be poverty. Then they

regurgitate the absolutely flimsy "human nature" fallacy over and over

again. "Human nature" this. "Human nature" that. This is all they ever

talk about. They are brainwashed zombies.


Realist Intellectuals understand that such fallacies have no bearing in

real reality. Hence realism. Realists do not spend all day churning out

fallacies like the brainwashed zombies. An intellect is a problem solver.

Dysfunctional aspects of society are not seen as inevitable aspects of human nature.
They are seen as problems to be solved through intellectual creativity, truth seeking/advocation, and active pursuits.

Idiots see dysfunctional aspects of society not just as inevitable aspects of human nature, but a functional necessity for social advancement.
The very definition of social advancement is the reduction, and possible elimination of such dysfunctions. Primitive morons have no idea they contradict themselves, and have utterly no clur what baseless brainwashed regurgitations they are talking about.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
You talk like you are objective on this subject. You've most likely been exposed to the same brainwashing and politically correct talk the rest of us have.
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Actually, I don't like Political Correctness. I think it's idiotic. And I have not been brainwashed. The only one who seems to have been brainwashed is you.
I have come to my conclusions after careful thought and scientific research. I assure you, we are all on species, and the human species would benefit from unity.
 
I see G. F. Schleebenhorst is at it again with his High Moral ground attitude but clearly reeks racist.

Anyways, to get back to the topic.

I don't like rap because its all the same, about violence, sex and stuff that generally doesn't appeal to me... well i mean sex appeals to me but i won't tread there. I havn't heard a rap song (please tell me if there is one), that hasn't got the same theme that the rest do.

I like music that has something different, which is why i like a fair bit of rock/punk. Some of the stuff thats made is pretty repetitive (can't spell?) i'll admit, but every now and then you get a song that goes one step further and is unique.

I'll admit there is a certain skill to what rappers do, all though i don't understand how being a DJ is a skill, give me a few turntables and i'm sure i'll figure it out. But something about playing a guitar and drums that takes years to practice and perfect is appealing. I've been playing bass now for about 5 yrs and i can barely play some of the Chilli Peppers greatest songs. Damn they're hard!
 
Just going back to the argument for a second. Sorry to say this Cool Skill but there is some form of truth in what G. F. Schleebenhorst says. Well only the bit about whites being disadvantaged in certain area's. Time and time again i see people getting grants or scholarships based on "income" before me when i'm actually quite a poor person and so is my family. Usually these scholarships or grants go to people of ethnic background. Yes i'll admit they are financially poor, but no more than me. If we want to promote equality then we have to get rid of the notion of "sorry for being an asshole in the past so we'll make up for it now". Lets all move on as one society no matter your ethnic background.

P.S. You have no idea how much it hurts to say i agree with G. F. Schleebenhorst, because usually whatever he has to say is such crap :p
 
You'll agree with everything I say eventually. You just have to let it through that barricade of crap that has been hammered into your brain. You have to abandon moronic and completely illogical thinking like cool skill's "We are here so we can all live in perfect harmony" "fallacy". Only then can you be truly objective.
 
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