Proof of the supernatural

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Dywyddyr said:
You didn't know, you believed.


Presumably you're talking about things like Unthinking Credulity.


In other words you didn't actually think about it, just decided to go with an insupportable belief.
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I see you don't believe in Karma, I do. moving on.

you are one human being, you haven't lived in the shoes of everyone, you may family or friends that believe in the same things, I have all kinds of friends, atheists, theists. Don't you think experiences shape people? whether or not their experiences are real? Nothing is static, beliefs change, I can change too, so can you, at this point of time, with my understanding, I thought it was malicious evil forces, and I still do.

Yes, I did think. thank you, don't just assume I didn't think. I sought other kinds of help before I looked towards the supernatural, and these other kinds of help may have helped for other people, it didn't help for me.
 
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brokenbutnotbeat said:
I see you don't believe in Karma, I do. moving on.
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In other words you have ANOTHER unsupported (and ridiculous) belief.

you are one human being, you haven't lived in the shoes of everyone, you may family or friends that believe in the same things
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Oh wow! What an insight.

with my understanding, I thought it was malicious evil forces, and I still do.
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Then your "understanding" was (and, apparently, still is) flawed.

Yes, I did think. thank you, don't just assume I didn't think.
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Yeah my bad.
What I meant was "You didn't think rationally about it".

I sought other kinds of help before I looked towards the supernatural, and these other kinds of help may have helped for other people, it didn't help for me.
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And rather than simply stop at "I don't know, let's leave it until I get evidence" you decided that the "supernatural" was responsible.
Got it.
(See previous comment about thinking).
 
Bells said:
Karma means that you feel you deserved it, in some way shape or form, because of some misdeed in your past.. The whole 'what goes around comes around'.. How does that tie in with "evil forces"?

You still haven't explained why you believe it was demons. What led you down the path of demons as opposed to more tangible things that could actually affect one's family (as the example you provided) in a negative way?

Because when things go wrong in life, the greater majority of people do not assume demons as you explained it. They look at what is actually affecting them.. For example, if it was something to do with illness... That is obviously something that you would look to see about treatments, possible surgeries, ongoing treatment, how it affects the person's way of life and the lives of those around them. That is a rational way or dealing with it. What is not rational is the belief that it is or must be demons or evil forces or even karma.
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it could be many things, could be what my parents have done or what i have done unknowingly that affects me.

i believe in god, and i also believe in evil, and what happened did not have a logical explanation, and i believed that maybe these evil forces behind it, and the fact that getting rid of these evil forces helped my family, further solidified my beliefs

i believe there are illnesses, mental illnesses and such, and i think science would help in such cases. but in some cases, when science can't help, an exorcism, blessing or cleansing may need to be performed.
 
brokenbutnotbeat said:
why would you say so?
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Which part are you querying?
1) Just because YOU couldn't come up with a logical explanation doesn't mean that there isn't one.
2) Exorcism/ blessing/ cleansing is superstitious with zero basis in reality. To suggest that they can help where rationality (e.g. science) can't is to promote irrationality, superstition and outright woo.
 
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The only thing you've proven is that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Dywyddyr said:
Which part are you querying?
1) Just because YOU couldn't come up with a logical explanation doesn't mean that there isn't one.
2) Exorcism/ blessing/ cleansing is superstitious crap with zero basis in reality. To suggest that they can help where rationality (e.g. science) can't is to promote irrationality, superstition and outright woo.
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i don't suggest exorcims, blessings and cleansings for all problems, sometimes rationality won't help, sometimes things go bad in the spiritual realm, and you need to deal with them appropriately.
 
What's this "spiritual realm"? Where is it, what's it made of and how does it work?

More importantly, why do you think it exists?
 
Daecon said:
What's this "spiritual realm"? Where is it, what's it made of and how does it work?

More importantly, why do you think it exists?
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it cannot be seen, and demons and evil forces reside, and they can influence the minds of hearts of people. They can also cause harm, trough hauntings. it is important to deal with them. Just like there is a god, there is evil.

i do believe in god and I'm spiritual, there was a time when my family had a cycle of bad things happening to us, but then after exhausting rational solutions, we had to resort to the spiritual side, and then things improved.

There are many who do this, bless their house regularly, seek spiritual help for bad luck and such.
 
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i don't suggest exorcims, blessings and cleansings for all problems
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But you suggested it for some problems.
In other words you're detached from reality.

sometimes rationality won't help
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How would you know, you don't appear to have ever tried it.

sometimes things go bad in the spiritual realm
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Since there is no "spiritual realm" it's not possible for things to go bad there.
 
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