Pressure Harvesting - from ocean depths

[Quantum Quack]

See my amendment in last post.

yeah forum posting is pain in the butt...but thanks for your diligence.

No-one has disputed one can compress air using ocean pressure

Not true, DaveC426913, billvon and Xelasnave.1947 have repeatedly stated it breeches the laws of physics. and in fact will probably go on claiming such.

but it doesn't amount to useful harvesting, as said many times here. Logistics and large losses make it a losing proposition

as it stands as per post # 338 , yes I agree, but until all energy potentials are utilized and calculated I can not say with certainty.

For example: the lowering weight of the VVSS can drive a generator. Just like your rock and a hole scenario.

The only extra energy involved would be to supplement the retrieval of the VVSS and that becomes an issue for energy economics and recycling.. not principle.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

But in the mean time ......uhm...do you mind...

I am a mug so I have no idea if what you mean but no matter the ball is in your court.
Good luck.
Alex

Not true, DaveC426913, billvon and Xelasnave.1947 have repeatedly stated it breeches the laws of physics. and in fact will probably go on claiming such

That is difficult to reconcile with my suggestion re measuring a Ballon above the pool and six foot down.
Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

That is difficult to reconcile with my suggestion re measuring a Ballon above the pool and six foot down.

and how big would it be 6 feet down once you empty it of pressurized air?
After you transfer all the pressurized air to the surface.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

and how big would it be 6 feet down once you empty it of pressurized air?

Not the point. I addressed your claim is all.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

And your position remains untested.
Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

Not the point. I addressed your claim is all.
Alex

no you didn't you addressed only size when we are discussing pressure.
you do realise that size and pressure are two different things do you not...

 

[Quantum Quack]

And your position remains untested.
Alex

have you ever traveled in a ferry (ship) that raises and lowers it's draft using ballast?
see tested.. no problem.
or explored how submarines work?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

no you didn't you addressed only size when we are discussing pressure.
you do realise that size and pressure are two different things do you not...

You must be bored..no worries so am I.
Think it through my man.
Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

You must be bored..no worries so am I.
Think it through my man.
Alex

so that's your solution to not being able to discuss things rationally... ok... sure

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

have you ever traveled in a ferry (ship) that raises and lowers it's draft using ballast?
see tested.. no problem.
or explored how submarines work?

Perhaps the first thing to address is your handle.
Quantum relates to small indicating your are just a very small 'Quack" I suggest "mega" quack.
Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

Perhaps the first thing to address is your handle.
Quantum relates to small indicating your are just a very small 'Quack" I suggest "mega" quack.
Alex

so you are a troll... well done...
if you are so bored have a look at this image...

see fully tested...

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

so that's your solution to not being able to discuss things rationally... ok... sure

It is you who should step forward to accept the qualification of being irrational.
You call established physics nonsense as I understand.
However you evade any call to build a model to support your position.
Why don't you put on your rational pyjamas and present the goods.
Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

Perhaps the first thing to address is your handle.
Quantum relates to small indicating your are just a very small 'Quack" I suggest "mega" quack.
Alex

reported

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

so you are a troll...

Ok prove me wrong.. your working model please. Look I only respond to your ego but that is the only thing you offer.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

reported

Do you think I care.
You are a ding bat..report that.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Duplicate post deleted.
Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

Ok prove me wrong.. your working model please. Look I only respond to your ego but that is the only thing you offer.
Alex

Why do consider me to have an ego?
Is it because I sometimes see stuff that other people have missed?

and what the hell has that got to do with the thread topic any how?

 

[exchemist]

are you sure?
Or are you saying so because you haven't seen how this system can gain energy from ambient pressure ( potential energy) with out conflicting the laws of thermodynamics?

100%. Because of the laws of thermodynamics.

If you were able to continuously extract energy from the deep ocean, where would that energy come from? The ocean is not going to drain away - it does not move "down" in any way, in this process. So it can't be driven by potential energy - unless you continually drop heavy objects into the sea and do not recover them. Is the sea going to get colder? Nope. Nothing in this process extracts heat from the sea. It is not taking kinetic energy from the waves on the surface. No chemical or nuclear reactions are taking place. The process involved are purely hydrostatic and pneumatic.

Ergo, it must be ballocks.

That, you see, is the great power of considering the problem from the energy point of view. I remember learning at school that analysing a mechanics problem in terms of energy is often the most powerful and simple way to approach it.

Free energy cranks are always like you: they develop a scenario that is too complicated for themselves to be able to analyse - and then claim, on the strength of that, that the laws of thermodynamics have been broken!

 

[exchemist]

Put it this way...
Compare the rock of a cliff scenario with the VVSS scenario.
How are they different?
Rock: the compression of the can is delivered by the weight of the rock. ( rock + can = Kpa)
VVSS: the compression is delivered by the weight of an ocean and the VVSS (rock + can (VVSS) + ocean = Kpa)

or
Claim:
We are using the rock (VVSS) weight to capitalize on the weight of the ocean.

Like all evolving ideas it takes a while for the fog to clear...

Phase 3 is analogous to lifting the rock back up the cliff.

You fool.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Phase 3 is analogous to lifting the rock back up the cliff.

You fool.

So?

 

[Quantum Quack]

Ergo, it must be ballocks.

is that the best scientific assessment you can come up with? That it must be bollocks....
You can join the list in post #338 Well done!

You are saying that you can't use the depth of the ocean pressure to compress air...because it breaches the law of thermodynamics...
well I am sorry you can...and you know you can...