Have you ever been on a Pilgrimage?
Did you find that it made a difference to your life?
Did you find that it made a difference to your life?
Pilgrimages
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Where did you go?
What difference did it make?
What difference did it make?
Mostly India/Bangladesh
tons of pilgrimage sites
(basically sites of historical importance from a few hundred years ago to a few thousand)
I guess there is a novel aspect to it
I mean its hardly a common activity, particularly in the west.
Initially there is a sort of romantic mysticism to it I guess, but after a while the austerity of travel etc brings in a clearer picture.
IOW one of the first things it brought to me is how to live more simply and how many things that I thought were important (mod con western sort of things) were not so important.
From there it sort of went into a deeper appreciation of what I already knew about them ... For instance if I had a bit of background knowledge about what great events happened at a particular temple you can bring the whole scene together more vividly my the architecture etc.
But the most dynamic element of pilgrimage is the people one meets and the people one travels with. This things will greatly shape the value of any pilgrimage.
I've been to Mecca several times though I haven't performed Hajj
The first time I went there, I reached in the twilight of the evening during Ramadan. My first view of the Haram Sharif was breathtaking. It was much larger than expected and there was a strange sensation of stepping back into history.
It was also unusual to be in a place where there were only Muslims, although they were from all around the world, reflected in their Caucasian, Asian and African ethnicities.
The jamah salat was amazing there were thousands upon thousands of people all sitting together. Perfect strangers would smile and talk as if we were all at a celebration. Since it was Ramadan, at iftaar, people broke fast sitting around in the marble patios. Some of them saw that we were eating store bought sandwiches and invited us to join them in their home cooked meal.
We spent the rest of the night looking at the masjid, examining the Kaaba, Muqaame Ibrahim, the Black Stone, the Zamzam spring. A friend had brought along a book on performing umrah and we diligently followed all the instructions. We sat late after Isha for Taravi, with Sudaisi reciting the 27th juz. It was a unique and overwhelming feeling of connection to what is one of the primary influences of life.
The first time I went there, I reached in the twilight of the evening during Ramadan. My first view of the Haram Sharif was breathtaking. It was much larger than expected and there was a strange sensation of stepping back into history.
It was also unusual to be in a place where there were only Muslims, although they were from all around the world, reflected in their Caucasian, Asian and African ethnicities.
The jamah salat was amazing there were thousands upon thousands of people all sitting together. Perfect strangers would smile and talk as if we were all at a celebration. Since it was Ramadan, at iftaar, people broke fast sitting around in the marble patios. Some of them saw that we were eating store bought sandwiches and invited us to join them in their home cooked meal.
We spent the rest of the night looking at the masjid, examining the Kaaba, Muqaame Ibrahim, the Black Stone, the Zamzam spring. A friend had brought along a book on performing umrah and we diligently followed all the instructions. We sat late after Isha for Taravi, with Sudaisi reciting the 27th juz. It was a unique and overwhelming feeling of connection to what is one of the primary influences of life.
I don't think it is going to influence many to become Catholic. Rituals keep the flocks tight, they have a purpose.
don't worry
there's no shortage of accessories out there to meet your "ritual" and "pilgrimage" niche
This year I will visit the town of Assisi for a few days.
I always loved the stories about St Francis when I was a child, and I would like to see his tomb which is in a church there.
I always loved the stories about St Francis when I was a child, and I would like to see his tomb which is in a church there.
I've heard about that.
It has elements of religious ceremonies, such as ritual and sacrifice, but no dogma, other than that you can always make a new beginning.
It has elements of religious ceremonies, such as ritual and sacrifice, but no dogma, other than that you can always make a new beginning.
In Bombay, we have a novena at Mount Mary's Church every September. Its a similar experience and being India, everyone goes for it to light candles in the church. Thats Baba Siddiqui, the local MLA in the center between the Hindu and Catholic priests.
Then there is the Siddhivinayak Temple, to which people walk barefoot every Monday night, as a ritual. Once a month, they have Sankashti and two to five thousand people will collect for the Puja
They distribute the most awesome sweets so everyone goes for that too.
Then there is Haji Ali. This is a famous mosque/mausoleum off the coast in Bombay. Its only accessible at low tide, so you have to watch the clock or get stranded at high tide. People of all religions also flock here and put flowers on the saint.
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There's the proverb, or standard, "Law Of The Taj Mahal" - in various wordings, that anything people for centuries have been traveling from all over the world just to see, is probably worth the journey.
If I were to ever have the time and money to go on a pilgrimage to some kind of people-symbol place, Genghis Khan's sacred mountain would rank high on the destination list.
But there are lakes closer to home, or even corners of overlooked woodlot, not yet trivialized by the needs of gods, fashions, or monies.
If I were to ever have the time and money to go on a pilgrimage to some kind of people-symbol place, Genghis Khan's sacred mountain would rank high on the destination list.
But there are lakes closer to home, or even corners of overlooked woodlot, not yet trivialized by the needs of gods, fashions, or monies.
Is your friend a loser for selecting Graceland or have all pilgrims lost?