Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it correct.
No it doesn't, except incorrectly.
The visible universe would be a sphere.
No.
But ignorant AND deluded.
Paper help.
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The visible universe would be a sphere.
Not true, if you look at the cube diagram it is precisely labelled t<v> for all nine observation points of dimensional time and space.
Alpha observer is the central point observer, you can refer it to the being the Sun if that is easier to imagine surrounded by 8 Physical bodies.
Bravo , Charlie etc, are the surrounding bodies to Alpha, and are all moving at a constant velocity around Alpha.
For example all bodies travel at c, and travel along the path lines of the cube, always maintaining equal distance apart.
Alpha always observes no change in timing, from any of the 8 bodies. Neither of the 8 bodies observe any time difference to Alpha.
If there is no gravity decrease to cause a dilation , and then all matter would remain at a constant , Physically showing the gibberish created by our history in science.
Yes this does seem strange when it is related to our everyday experience yet the answers are correct.
Time is a very real thing and it can be measured with great percision.
This is a common misconception. Stars are not expanding through space. The expansion of the universe carries the stars (and everything else) with it. Galaxies that are VERY far away have recession velocity that is exceeding the speed of light due to the expansion of space, but these galaxies are not moving THROUGH space at that speed, of course.
This is another common misconception. The big bang is NOT like an explosion IN space and moving through space, the big bang is the expansion OF space and space itself is expanding (yes into nothing).
All of the evidence contradicts your beliefs
Your diagram does not appear to have any relevance to reality at all. Just something that you made up.
You certainly can observe the passage of time. I have a cell phone that has an instrument that accurately measures this passage of time. I use that instrument to get to work when I am expected.
Expanding star? Huh?
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Your 'cube diagram' is confusing you. If you diagram conflicts with reality it is not very useful is it?
There is nothing confusing about the cube, remove the outer lines leaving just the vector lines and a sphere can be placed instead.
It is not me whom is confused, the issue seems to be your personal confusion of what time actually is.
''Time is a very real thing and it can be measured with great precision.''
That alone is an illogical and untrue statement, time does not have solidity or a physical presence, it is no more real that an invisible pink Unicorn.
The truth of what you are saying , is that you can count a period of something by some form of mechanism , to establish a period distance between the corresponding emitting values.
The action of this process, is not time, you are saying to the equivalent of that if a Caesium atom stopped it's beats, then time would stop. Can you not see the relevance to the stupidity of your none logical argument?
86400.s / 360 = 1 degree
86400.s / 360 = 240.s
1 degree approx = 69 miles
Pi / 360 * r+r=1 degree
d*2=2 degree=138 miles = 480.s
A=1 degree
B=2 degree
A=240/69
A=Approx 3.47826086957 mile/s
B=480 / 138
B=approx 3.47826086957 mile /s
Where is the dilation exactly?
86400.s / 360 = 240.s
1 degree approx = 69 miles
Pi / 360 * r+r=1 degree
d*2=2 degree=138 miles = 480.s
A=1 degree
B=2 degree
A=240/69
A=Approx 3.47826086957 mile/s
B=480 / 138
B=approx 3.47826086957 mile /s
Where is the dilation exactly?
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It is not a matter of confusion. The problem is that the cube is just plain wrong. It does not accurately correspond with reality.
Really? You do not believe clocks exist or do you not believe that clocks can measure time? I'll bet you have a hell of a time trying to be on time!
Nope that is not what I am saying. A clock measures time. So I am saying the inverse of what you are saying; if time slows the frequency of the caesium atom will decrease a corresponding amount. This will never happen in your own frame. Dilation can only be observed from a different frame.
I think you are trying to say my logic is stupid. Your interpretation of what I said would be stupid, but since I did not say what you think I said, I will have to disagree.
This is your misconception, the clock does not measure time, the clock measures a degree of movement, time does not stop if the clock stops.
You are not witnessing time dilation, you are witnessing a timing issue from all reference frames. View my maths, it says it all.
Noted - You do not know what a clock is used for.
I have already addressed your scenario and explained where the time dilation comes into account. I am not going to do it again, if you cannot remember it, sorry.
I know where dilation comes from, and it is nothing to do with time . A timing dilation in any device is a device failure and not a change or alteration in time.
While you are running the experiments of timing dilation, you are running these experiments within time, and not co-existence with time.
Timing is not equal to time, a device is not equal to time.
Obvious axioms of a logical nature.
My example maths shows this to be true.
Science insists on maths, deny the maths if you can?
I time the atom on the ground, and time an atom that is travelling with the plane, timing the atom and the plane, in accordance to my maths, which I have just posted, in both reference frames , time does not alter.
And yet all the evidence supports what mainstream cosmology accepts.
You keep saying the rest of the world is full of Idiots for not accepting what you have dreamt up.....
Yet our probes, Satellites, GPS systems, and many other aspects of everyday living depend on SR/GR and the postulates that go with it.
And you have now claimed at least half a dozen times, you are going to give up on us poor souls.....Yet you keep coming back, as do all trolls.
Thirdly you have not told us why all these other forums have banned you.
In essence you have nothing to offer, and are just playing games knowing you have everyone against your nonsense.
The reason on at least one was "Delusional arrogance".
That, coupled with rampant abusiveness.
All physicist say you are wrong. The theory of relativity indicates that time dilation is real and the theory exactly matches the experimental results.
You say you "know where dilations comes from", yet all the scientist, professors and physics graduates say you are wrong. Do you believe that all of those millions of highly educated and intelligent people are wrong and you alone have the true answer? Really?
I already have.
is this not always the case ?
No, it is an actual alteration in time. Any timing device, no matter how accurate, will show the same change. Any process no matter how consistent will show the same change in speed. That is because time itself is changing; there is no other effect on processes from speed alone, and someone moving at 80% of the speed of light relative to Earth has no way to determine how fast he is going. From his perspective, the Earth is speeding along and he is standing still.
No need to deny them; they are quite specific. See below:
t = t0/(1-v2/c2)1/2
where: t = time observed in the other reference frame, t0 = time in observers own frame of reference (rest time), v = the speed of the moving object and c = the speed of light in a vacuum
Now - do you deny that basic scientific equation?
Then your maths are wrong, and the standard maths are right - because atomic clocks on satellites do, in fact, experience time dilation. (And despite your earlier misconceptions, they do not measure lightspeed; they measure physical characteristics of the atom itself.)
Delusional arrogance certainly fits the bill.
Just been doing a bit of checking....
EVERY thread started by theorist constant has been shifted to either to alternative hypothesis, pseudoscience and a couple to cesspool.
That just about sums up his false self gratuitous nonsense about being right.
''they measure physical characteristics of the atom itself.''
I have to say in my entire life I have never come across such insanity as in science. Do you really consider that measuring the characteristics, or changing the characteristics of an atom, in any way relates too or effects the passage of time?
You are all saying the equivalent of that if an atom stopped it's corresponding beats, then time would stop.
You all are quite insane.
My maths was using a constant to time, to show no dilation of the passing of time.
I used a constant time, over a constant distance at a constant velocity to time. An accuracy that can not alter by maths.
86400.s a constant of time.
69 mile a constant of distance.
Showing no time dilation in the passage of time.
Yet it is you that is banned from every forum you have infested, and has all threads on this forum, moved to pseudo or cesspool...This will obviously be next.
Your maths is based on delusional concepts.
Tell us again, about dark and light, just to highlight how inanely stupid your hypothesis are.
Our society, Including yourself, depends and uses SR/GR affects and postulates, including time dilation, everyday in many aspects.
And yet you reject it.....
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When Einstein finalized his theory of gravity and curved spacetime in November 1915, ending a quest which he began with his 1905 special relativity, he had little concern for practical or observable consequences. He was unimpressed when measurements of the bending of starlight in 1919 confirmed his theory. Even today, general relativity plays its main role in the astronomical domain, with its black holes, gravity waves and cosmic big bangs, or in the domain of the ultra-small, where theorists look to unify general relativity with the other interactions, using exotic concepts such as strings and branes.
But GPS is an exception. Built at a cost of over $10 billion mainly for military navigation, GPS has rapidly transformed itself into a thriving commercial industry. The system is based on an array of 24 satellites orbiting the earth, each carrying a precise atomic clock. Using a hand-held GPS receiver which detects radio emissions from any of the satellites which happen to be overhead, users of even moderately priced devices can determine latitude, longitude and altitude to an accuracy which can currently reach 15 meters, and local time to 50 billionths of a second. Apart from the obvious military uses, GPS is finding applications in airplane navigation, oil exploration, wilderness recreation, bridge construction, sailing, and interstate trucking, to name just a few. Even Hollywood has met GPS, recently pitting James Bond in "Tomorrow Never Dies" against an evil genius who was inserting deliberate errors into the GPS system and sending British ships into harm's way.
But in a relativistic world, things are not simple. The satellite clocks are moving at 14,000 km/hr in orbits that circle the Earth twice per day, much faster than clocks on the surface of the Earth, and Einstein's theory of special relativity says that rapidly moving clocks tick more slowly, by about seven microseconds (millionths of a second) per day.
Also, the orbiting clocks are 20,000 km above the Earth, and experience gravity that is four times weaker than that on the ground. Einstein's general relativity theory says that gravity curves space and time, resulting in a tendency for the orbiting clocks to tick slightly faster, by about 45 microseconds per day. The net result is that time on a GPS satellite clock advances faster than a clock on the ground by about 38 microseconds per day.
To determine its location, the GPS receiver uses the time at which each signal from a satellite was emitted, as determined by the on-board atomic clock and encoded into the signal, together the with speed of light, to calculate the distance between itself and the satellites it communicated with. The orbit of each satellite is known accurately. Given enough satellites, it is a simple problem in Euclidean geometry to compute the receiver's precise location, both in space and time. To achieve a navigation accuracy of 15 meters, time throughout the GPS system must be known to an accuracy of 50 nanoseconds, which simply corresponds to the time required for light to travel 15 meters.
But at 38 microseconds per day, the relativistic offset in the rates of the satellite clocks is so large that, if left uncompensated, it would cause navigational errors that accumulate faster than 10 km per day! GPS accounts for relativity by electronically adjusting the rates of the satellite clocks, and by building mathematical corrections into the computer chips which solve for the user's location. Without the proper application of relativity, GPS would fail in its navigational functions within about 2 minutes.
So the next time your plane approaches an airport in bad weather, and you just happen to be wondering "what good is basic physics?", think about Einstein and the GPS tracker in the cockpit, helping the pilots guide you to a safe landing.
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When Einstein finalized his theory of gravity and curved spacetime in November 1915, ending a quest which he began with his 1905 special relativity, he had little concern for practical or observable consequences. He was unimpressed when measurements of the bending of starlight in 1919 confirmed his theory. Even today, general relativity plays its main role in the astronomical domain, with its black holes, gravity waves and cosmic big bangs, or in the domain of the ultra-small, where theorists look to unify general relativity with the other interactions, using exotic concepts such as strings and branes.
But GPS is an exception. Built at a cost of over $10 billion mainly for military navigation, GPS has rapidly transformed itself into a thriving commercial industry. The system is based on an array of 24 satellites orbiting the earth, each carrying a precise atomic clock. Using a hand-held GPS receiver which detects radio emissions from any of the satellites which happen to be overhead, users of even moderately priced devices can determine latitude, longitude and altitude to an accuracy which can currently reach 15 meters, and local time to 50 billionths of a second. Apart from the obvious military uses, GPS is finding applications in airplane navigation, oil exploration, wilderness recreation, bridge construction, sailing, and interstate trucking, to name just a few. Even Hollywood has met GPS, recently pitting James Bond in "Tomorrow Never Dies" against an evil genius who was inserting deliberate errors into the GPS system and sending British ships into harm's way.
But in a relativistic world, things are not simple. The satellite clocks are moving at 14,000 km/hr in orbits that circle the Earth twice per day, much faster than clocks on the surface of the Earth, and Einstein's theory of special relativity says that rapidly moving clocks tick more slowly, by about seven microseconds (millionths of a second) per day.
Also, the orbiting clocks are 20,000 km above the Earth, and experience gravity that is four times weaker than that on the ground. Einstein's general relativity theory says that gravity curves space and time, resulting in a tendency for the orbiting clocks to tick slightly faster, by about 45 microseconds per day. The net result is that time on a GPS satellite clock advances faster than a clock on the ground by about 38 microseconds per day.
To determine its location, the GPS receiver uses the time at which each signal from a satellite was emitted, as determined by the on-board atomic clock and encoded into the signal, together the with speed of light, to calculate the distance between itself and the satellites it communicated with. The orbit of each satellite is known accurately. Given enough satellites, it is a simple problem in Euclidean geometry to compute the receiver's precise location, both in space and time. To achieve a navigation accuracy of 15 meters, time throughout the GPS system must be known to an accuracy of 50 nanoseconds, which simply corresponds to the time required for light to travel 15 meters.
But at 38 microseconds per day, the relativistic offset in the rates of the satellite clocks is so large that, if left uncompensated, it would cause navigational errors that accumulate faster than 10 km per day! GPS accounts for relativity by electronically adjusting the rates of the satellite clocks, and by building mathematical corrections into the computer chips which solve for the user's location. Without the proper application of relativity, GPS would fail in its navigational functions within about 2 minutes.
So the next time your plane approaches an airport in bad weather, and you just happen to be wondering "what good is basic physics?", think about Einstein and the GPS tracker in the cockpit, helping the pilots guide you to a safe landing.
http://physicscentral.com/explore/writers/will.cfm
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