Osama Bin Laden is Dead

Either way, I certainly wouldn't go bomb and occupy a whole country just to catch one idiot and his mind slaves who aren't even in that country.

And we haven't done so.

We aren't occupying either Iraq or Afganistan and we certainly haven't bombed the entire country, either Iraq or Afganistan.

Indeed we have spent tons of money rebuilding the damaged infrastructure from the limited war needed to get rid of Saddam and the Taliban and not both countries are being run by their own elected leaders and we haven't taken any of their land or resources as our own.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE74412520110505?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
 
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And we haven't done so.

We aren't occupying either Iraq or Afganistan and we certainly haven't bombed the entire country.

Both countries are being run by their own elected leaders nor have we taken any of their land or resources as our own.
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Oh BS, if you don't agree then explain the article on Iraq.

Clearly the country is managing it's own affairs, it's GDP is growing at very respectable rates each year and the security issue continues to lessen.

Most clearly NOT an occupied country.

Economy Minister Rainer Bruederle said Germany was planning to boost business ties with the country in response to a huge demand for investment, especially in infrastructure.

Arthur
 
I need someone to help me play catchup. . .

Are we still debating whether or not it was Bin Laden? Or, are we finally passed that on account of the testimony of his injured wife, his daughter, Al Qaeda itself (that seemed fit to issue a eulogy about the bastard), reporters, evidence found in the compound and the US government.

If we're passed that, then what have all the conspiracy theorists have moved on to?

~String

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I need someone to help me play catchup. . .

Are we still debating whether or not it was Bin Laden? Or, are we finally passed that on account of the testimony of his injured wife, his daughter, Al Qaeda itself (that seemed fit to issue a eulogy about the bastard), reporters, evidence found in the compound and the US government.

If we're passed that, then what have all the conspiracy theorists have moved on to?

~String

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Nope. They still have doubts. In the eyes of a few Osama still died a long time ago. One will concede that his death by SEAL's is 'probably true'. The Al Qaeda testimony is held under suspicion because well, how do you know if its really Al Qaeda and not some fake Al Qaeda site, some even don't believe there is an Al Qaeda not under US control and so on and so forth (Sam went so far as to find some blog from somewhere that swears SITE is government run). Eso chalked it all up to the zionist, international banker cabal (I was wondering how long everything would come down to the 'zionists') Basically they were scrambling to fill in the holes in their own mind with whatever chewing gum was at hand. No one has yet put forth the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion, alien abduction nor Alex Jones theory that Osama was cryogenically frozen which, you must admit, is a very good sign.
 
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And we haven't done so.

We aren't occupying either Iraq or Afganistan and we certainly haven't bombed the entire country, either Iraq or Afganistan.

Indeed we have spent tons of money rebuilding the damaged infrastructure from the limited war needed to get rid of Saddam and the Taliban and not both countries are being run by their own elected leaders and we haven't taken any of their land or resources as our own.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE74412520110505?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
You went there to spend your money just to save the poor Iraqis and Afghanis..? Riiiight. Since when does the USA (or any other country for that matter) invest trillions of bucks without having a minimal gain from it? What was it again? Oh yeah, I thought you invaded Iraq to murder the terrorists who weren't even in that country and in order to do so you trampled over the given governments and civilians with your bombs and made in USA boots, making yourselves look like heroes who came to save the folks there from the evil terrorists. How did you achieve that? By terrorising whole countries you think are not good enough because they do not share your fanatic Christianised moral bullshit. How gallant. How heroic. Chapeau la!


What about all the other countries with dictators as leaders, damaged infrastructures? Won't you invest, pretty please, your remaining bucks in them, too? Invade them, too, bomb them, too, occupy them, too, liquidate their leaders and save the poor beings from there! You have to hold up your image of heroism after all!
 
You went there to spend your money just to save the poor Iraqis and Afghanis..? Riiiight. Since when does the USA (or any other country for that matter) invest trillions of bucks without having a minimal gain from it? What was it again? Oh yeah, I thought you invaded Iraq to murder the terrorists who weren't even in that country and in order to do so you trampled over the given governments and civilians with your bombs and made in USA boots, making yourselves look like heroes who came to save the folks there from the evil terrorists. How did you achieve that? By terrorising whole countries you think are not good enough because they do not share your fanatic Christianised moral bullshit. How gallant. How heroic. Chapeau la!

Well show me the GAIN that we got from Iraq then.

You obviously don't get it, because the Iraqi majority was being terrorized, by Saddam, and he was terrorizing the entire region. We did minimal damage to get rid of him and then we helped the Iraqi people take control of their country and build their government in a way of their choosing, and it had nothing to do with imposing any fanatic Christian set of morals on them, indeed if you bothered to look at the Iraqi Constitution you would see that while it guarantees freedom of religion it specifically calls out Islam as the State religion.

We, the people of Iraq, who have just risen from our stumble, and who are looking with confidence to the future through a republican, federal, democratic, pluralistic system, have resolved with the determination of our men, women, elderly, and youth to respect the rule of law, to establish justice and equality, to cast aside the politics of aggression, to pay attention to women and their rights, the elderly and their concerns, and children and their affairs, to spread the culture of diversity, and to defuse terrorism.

http://www.uniraq.org/documents/iraqi_constitution.pdf

And that one document proves that your assertions are vapid.


What about all the other countries with dictators as leaders, damaged infrastructures?

See Arab Spring and how change can be made by giving people in the region the idea that they too can control their destiny.

Arthur
 
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On fake video's, don't you think the technology that exists nowadays would of allowed for a completely CGI created OBL to have been created rather than using a poor lookalike?

After all Hollywood's been creating special effects for years and I doubt any government agency would go with a poor lookalike if they wanted to convince people of something. That's why your statements don't ring true.
 
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On fake video's, don't you think the technology that exists nowadays would of allowed for a completely CGI created OBL to have been created rather than using a poor lookalike?

After all Hollywood's been creating special effects for years and I doubt any government agency would go with a poor lookalike if they wanted to convince people of something. That's why your statements don't ring true.

You're thinking like a technician, not a bureaucrat.

Tell me do you think Quantico is so poorly equipped that the FBI needs to search for bin Laden lookalikes on Google images?

So why do they do it?

Gaspar Llamazares, Spaniard Used In Bin Laden Picture, Rejects US Apology

It is something about the way Americans think - which is why the whole WMDs in Iraq was so sloppy. Why take trouble when there is no accountability?

Also in a way it is a form of protection. The more sophisticated the technology used, the more individual the signature. Do they really want to involve experts who can be called on to testify against them?

Also don't take my word for it. Look at all the non-US sources that have assessed the audio and videotapes [the Swiss for instance] - they are objective and have no axe to grind


See for example:

On November 9, 2001 U.S. military forces in Jalalabad found a video tape of bin Laden.[4] On December 13, 2001, the United States State Department released a video tape apparently showing Osama bin Laden speaking with Khaled al-Harbi and other associates, somewhere in Afghanistan, before the U.S. invasion had driven the Taliban regime from Kandahar. The State Department stated that the tape was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan during a raid on a house in Jalalabad.[5] The tape was aired with an accompanying [6] English translation. In this translation, Osama bin Laden displays knowledge of the timing of the actual attack a few days in advance;[7] the translation attributes the following lines to bin Laden:

"we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qaida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes."[8]

On December 20, 2001, German TV channel "Das Erste" broadcast an analysis of the White House's translation of the videotape. On the program "Monitor", two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House's translation to be both inaccurate and manipulative stating "At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic" and that the words used that indicate foreknowledge can not be heard at all in the original. Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg said "The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it."[9]

David Ray Griffin, a former theology professor and member of the 9/11 Truth Movement, says that the Bin Laden figure in the video looks very different to previous footage - fatter, with shorter fingers, and that he is even writing with the wrong hand. Andy Laws, a former military imaging analyst for the Royal Air Force, says the fact that Bin Laden appears fatter in the 2001 tape is down to the editing process, when subtitles were added and the image was squashed.[10] Some members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth believe that the man in this videotape is not Osama bin Laden at all, citing differences in weight and facial features, along with his wearing of a gold ring, which is forbidden by Muslim law, and using his right hand, although he is left-handed.[11]

The transcript and video is located at http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0FVeqCX6z8

nirakar has also provided an exhaustive review of the single source from which most of these audio and videotapes originate, sometimes even before they have been posted by al Qaeda

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2749059#post2749059
 
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nirakar has also provided an exhaustive review of the single source from which most of these audio and videotapes originate, sometimes even before they have been posted by al Qaeda

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2749059#post2749059

Total BS review trying to discredit the message because of who does the translation.

Using David Ray Griffin, a former theology professor and member of the 9/11 Truth Movement as your source for truth is hilarious.
 
Nope. They still have doubts. In the eyes of a few Osama still died a long time ago. One will concede that his death by SEAL's is 'probably true'. The Al Qaeda testimony is held under suspicion because well, how do you know if its really Al Qaeda and not some fake Al Qaeda site, some even don't believe there is an Al Qaeda not under US control and so on and so forth (Sam went so far as to find some blog from somewhere that swears SITE is government run). Eso chalked it all up to the zionist, international banker cabal (I was wondering how long everything would come down to the 'zionists') Basically they were scrambling to fill in the holes in their own mind with whatever chewing gum was at hand. No one has yet put forth the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion, alien abduction nor Alex Jones theory that Osama was cryogenically frozen which, you must admit, is a very good sign.

Thanks, LUCY!

That was perfectly succinct.

~String
 
Controversy

SITE "has garnered wide attention by publicizing statements and videos from extremist chat rooms and Web sites, while attracting controversy over the secrecy of SITE's methodology."[6]

"Federal agencies, including the National Security Agency, the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security, monitor suspected terror sites on the Internet and sometimes track users. Private groups like Ms. Katz's Search for International Terrorist Entities Institute and The Middle East Media Research Institute are also keeping track of the ever-changing content of these sites. Ms. Katz's institute, which relies on government contracts and corporate clients, may be the most influential of those groups, and she is among the most controversial of the cyberspace monitors. While some experts praise her research as solid, some of her targets view her as a vigilante. Several Islamic groups and charities, for example, sued for defamation after she claimed they were terrorist fronts, even though they were not charged with a crime," the New York Times reported September 23, 2004.[7]

9/11 "bin Laden" video

In early September 2007, SITE announced that Osama bin Laden would release a video message on the anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Bloomberg News also reported that IntelCenter, another web monitoring service, noted that al Qaeda's media production group as-Sahab flagged the video in an online media statement.[8] While Bloomberg reported only that the video would be released, the Associated Press stated that "the 30-minute video was obtained by the SITE Institute" and had provided a copy to the AP. The report stated that "American officials said the U.S. government had obtained a copy even though the video had not been posted yet by al-Qaeda".[9] AP noted that "during the video, bin Laden's image moves for only a total of about 3 1/2 minutes in two segments, staying frozen the rest of the time while his remarks continue." An anonymous U.S. intelligence official told the AP it may have been a technical glitch that occurred during production. While the video was intercepted by US intelligence agencies, its provision to SITE Institute may have been a boon to the small group, which only made it available on its website to subscribers.[10] However, Fox News released a transcript of the tape.[11]

A little over a month later, the Washington Post reported that SITE had given the video to two senior officials "on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release." SITE's Rita Katz complained to reporter Joby Warrick that within 20 minutes of providing access to it on the group's website, several government agencies began downloading it. "By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide," Joby Warrick wrote. "Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless," Katz said. [12]
SITE Institute
Rita Katz folds S.I.T.E. Institute and opens SITE Intelligence Group. Can another Bin Laden tape be in the making?

I would prefer my position not be truncated and warped by SNOW. Certain members of the armed forces in America have prevented extremely horrible things from happening in the past decade. These stories have been covered in Veterans Today. It is these patriotic men and women whom I trust, both conservative and liberal, that are fighting the forces of the globalists. They are aware of the subversion of the US by intelligence agencies and their work with the Mossad and the international banksters.

Gordon Duff is a good journalist, somebody who digs for facts, remains aloof and skeptical, but does a good job of putting pieces together. I'll go with his take on the whole situation for now. . .
PRESIDENT OBAMA ANNOUNCES: BIN LADEN STILL DEAD
If SNOW wants to summarize, let her read something.

“Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the US Government has stated.
I wouldn't be surprised if OBL knew about all the asbestos that was to be kicked up in the air which would doom all the first responders to a slow death in the aftermath of the clean up. Reading his statements are eerie. I can see why the U.S. government wouldn't want the American people to know this stuff. Makes him look like a martyr, not a villain.

TOP TEN REASONS>>>(Alex James) My Letterman imitation of the top 10 reasons for Bin Laden’s death announcement:

10. They ran out of Bin Laden look-alikes to use in fake videos
9. People stopped believing that a cave-dweller on a dialysis machine was still alive after 10 years
8. People discovered the Frost/Bhutto interview on YouTube where she confirmed that Bin Laden was dead already, back in 2004 – probably died in December 2001
7. They want to be able to say something was achieved for the TRILLIONS spent on wars over the last 10 years and the thousands of innocent civilian lives
6. They need a distraction from the upcoming Gaza Flotilla and from the upcoming vote in the UN on Palestinian sovereignity, and the Move-Over-AIPAC conference this month
5. They need us to remain terrified of the upcoming retaliation for Bin Laden’s death to justify the continuance of the TSA’s “Grope or Fry” policy
4. They need a distraction from the birth certificate controversy
3. They need a distraction from the murders of Ghadafi’s son and grandchildren
2. They need a ploy to remake Obama as a hero to the “USA! USA!” crowd and get him re-elected
1. They need an excuse to pull troops out of Afghanistan to deploy elsewhere and take us into war once more – probably Syria/Iran
 
No one has yet put forth the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion, alien abduction nor Alex Jones theory that Osama was cryogenically frozen which, you must admit, is a very good sign.

Cryogenically Frozen. Yes, of course. That's the explanation. Why they can't show any pictures.
They put Osama's super chilled body in the compound. Then they came back later to "find" him. The perfect plan it seemed, but it had a fatal flaw.
When they shot him, his body, frozen at -238 degrees Fahrenheit, smashed into a million pieces.

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Leaders of the USA watch as Osama disappears
 
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You have all these people here watching something in the Situation Room.

Why does the press not ask them what they saw?
 
You have all these people here watching something in the Situation Room. Why does the press not ask them what they saw?
Well, from the shocked look on Hilary's face, I think it must be a pornographic movie. - They will never tell that it was, even if asked.
 
Well, from the shocked look on Hilary's face, I think it must be a pornographic movie. - They will never tell that it was, even if asked.

Quite possible. Those security tapes at the WH must be good for something

Story so far:

1) There was a firefight.
2) There was no firefight.
3) Bin Laden was “resisting.”
4) Bin Laden wasn’t armed. (Makes the concept of “resisting” interesting.)
[4.a) And the newest one: the SEALS thought bin Laden was reaching for a weapon.]
5) He used his wife as a shield.
6) His wife was killed too.
7) He didn’t use his wife as a shield. She ran at a SEAL who shot her in the leg, but she’s fine.
8 ) Some other woman — the maid? — was used as a shield. By somebody. Downstairs.
9) That other woman — downstairs — was killed.
10) Maybe not. She was killed unless she wasn’t — and who was she, anyway?
11) Bin Laden’s son was killed.
12) Unless it was some other guy.
13) Bin Laden’s daughter saw him get killed. She’s undoubtedly traumatized, poor dear.
14) They were going to capture Bin Laden until the problem with the helicopter, which was:

A) It had mechanical trouble
B) It did a hard landing
C) It crashed
D) It clipped a wall with a tail rotor, effectively a crash

15.) They were never going to try to capture him; it was always a kill mission.
16.) No, it wasn’t.
17) The chopper blew up.
18) The SEALs blew it up.
19.) Panetta said yesterday the world needed proof and the photo would be released.
20.) Obama said today in an interview he taped with Steve Kroft for “60 Minutes” to be broadcast Sunday that it won’t be released. It’s too gruesome, would offend Muslim sensibilities (something he worries about a lot — I personally do not give a warm fart on a wet Wednesday about Muslim sensibilities), and how would Americans feel if Muslims released pictures of dead Americans?
21.) Kroft — who’s not a total idiot — pointed out that ever since “Black Hawk Down” days, Muslims have been doing precisely that, filming American bodies being dragged through the streets, filming Daniel Pearl’s head being cut off, filming any and everything.
22) Obama gets pissed at CBS, the tape gets cleaned up, that question disappears. (Inside info.)
23.) We got a “treasure trove” of stuff from hard drives, etc.
24.) There were no phone lines, and no internet access at the “mansion,” they didn’t even have TV — what “treasure trove?”
25.) There is obviously in the pictures of the place a large satellite dish. I guess they used it for making salads.
26.) And now, just today: apparently the idea was to capture him, but only if he was naked. There was a suspicion he might be wearing a suicide bomber type explosive vest, or belt. So if he’s not naked and you can’t see if he has a vest on or not – shoot him.

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And one more thrown in just for Ripley's Believe it or not
"In the White House Situation Room on Sunday night, the president and his national security team watched a soundless video feed of the raid," eminent author and journalist Bob Woodward wrote in The Washington Post, bringing to light several unknown aspects of the covert US operation that killed Osama on May 2.

Woodward also wrote how Laden was measured for his height after he was shot dead by the Navy SEALs.

"When bin Laden's corpse was laid out, one of the Navy SEALs was asked to stretch out next to it to compare heights.

The SEAL was 6 feet tall. The body was several inches taller," he said.

"After the information was relayed to Obama, he turned to his advisers and said: "We donated a USD 60 million helicopter to this operation. Could we not afford to buy a tape measure?" the report said.


Okay just one teeny one more:

As a CIA safe house kept a close watch on the activities of this building, they found one tall man walking in the courtyard, which was later nicknamed "pacer", who never left the compound.

"His routine suggested he was not just a shut-in but almost a prisoner," it said.

At some point the White House sought the services of National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency to determine the pacer's height.

The agency came back and reported that the height of the pacer was between five-foot-eight and six-foot-eight.

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/c...-measure-osama-obama-asked-advisers-103983?cp

And that I think is all there is to it.

On this upbeat note, I think, we can all close this chapter.
 
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