Osama Bin Laden is Dead

That sounds like the mentality of an oppressive dictator, indeed.

And how would u approach radical extremists who were killing and threatening your nationals, no matter who they are or where they come from? Offer them their kingdom for a horse?

Its still a dog eat dog world and until that changes I prefer my dog to persevere cause god knows I can't stand how they run their kennels which I dislike more than how our own are run. We need to clean our own kennel but that cannot be dictated by someone else's bad practices.
 
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Well surprise surprise, the White House is about to release a bunch of Bin Laden footage seized from the compound, including outtakes (maybe like this one?) and footage of him watching himself on the news. They say the guy was ultra obsessive over his personal image, which wouldn't surprise me one bit- most of these guys either walk the walk and don't have the brains to talk the talk, or they have the brains but lack the cojones. Al-Zawahiri is a joke by comparison (and super ugly), he's already done time in an Egyptian prison, and you don't end up in those kinds of places when you're truly committed to martyrdom.

I think it's a good idea to keep this stuff away from the public for a while, wait for the conspiracy theorists and anti-West radicals to start making up garbage, and then release the evidence needed to call their bluff. I guess for the first time in history, the White House will be publishing Bin Laden footage before Al Jazeera gets to it. His hardcore supporters will probably say it's a fake Bin Laden with the "gold" rings and all that...
 
Okay watched the videos at CNN here: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/a....laden.intelligence/?hpt=T1&eref=rss_politics

The first one was not very convincing because the "old man" was

1. very careful about not turning his face
2. doing nothing much but changing channels all of which were running programs on OBL before the raid [why?]
3. had not a single kid in the vicinity
4. was using his right hand for the remote
5. could not be heard speaking [mute]
6. was being recorded showing his side/back to the television [for what?]
7. was in a room which looked nothing like the compound as seen on the video footage in al Jazeera

Anyway, watched the second expecting more of the same

Surprisingly, the guy looked more authentic even after comparing to my saved image of OBL

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It does look a lot like him. Can't say anything else for sure, since it does not show location and the sound was mute
 
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And on and on the carnival goes, it's pretty entertaining actually. I should make a game of guessing what your next excuse is going to be. Maybe we all live on the Truman Show and not only is everything we watch on TV fake, but even our own friends and neighbours are fake. I understand the idea of casting doubt on what we're fed by the media, but then it should be applied to all media, even religious media allegedly dating back 1500+ years.

Your previous criticism of the Bin Laden 9/11 confession video was totally irrelevant BTW. You said he looked fat in the vid, you didn't bother doing any research on the effects of video formatting before making that comment.
 
Your previous criticism of the Bin Laden 9/11 confession video was totally irrelevant BTW. You said he looked fat in the vid, you didn't bother doing any research on the effects of video formatting before making that comment.

Hmm since my "criticism" of that video was the CIA confessing to making it, I'm a little confused by your criticism of my alleged criticism.

But then I am used to the lack of reading and comprehending facilities on this forum.

Feel free to link to the actual post. Anytime.
 
Hmm since my "criticism" of that video was the CIA confessing to making it, I'm a little confused by your criticism of my alleged criticism.

I will check for the post and whatever sources you've provided before commenting further. Saying Bin Laden looks fat and not bothering to account for video technicalities is jumping the gun, but I'll review your other claims.
 
Hmm since my "criticism" of that video was the CIA confessing to making it, I'm a little confused by your criticism of my alleged criticism.

Ok, I checked your original source. Come on now, you can do better than Alex Jones, can't you? And here's all Alex Jones is able to provide as his own source, a Washington Post article about an alleged abandoned CIA plan to make fake vids of Saddam sodomizing boys and distributing the tapes around Iraq immediately prior to the invasion.

So no, you don't have a CIA confession to anything. You have alleged former CIA members telling a Washington Post journalist about an alleged propaganda plot against Saddam Hussein - which was never actually executed - and Alex Jones speculating that this proves Bin Laden's 9/11 confession video was faked, despite Al Qaeda itself failing to contest the video's authenticity.

But then I am used to the lack of reading and comprehending facilities on this forum.

Yes, it's an unfortunate situation which you seem more than happy to exacerbate on a regular basis.

Feel free to link to the actual post. Anytime.

Here you go, your own words:

Oh please!

Former CIA Officials Admit To Faking Bin Laden Video

The tape featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he’d carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured “Bin Laden” praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also used the wrong hand to write with and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith.

http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...os-are-fake&catid=58:the-911-event&Itemid=115

I recommend you try boosting your intellectual integrity in future discourses.
 
Ok, I checked your original source. Come on now, you can do better than Alex Jones, can't you? And here's all Alex Jones is able to provide as his own source, a Washington Post article about an alleged abandoned CIA plan to make fake vids of Saddam sodomizing boys and distributing the tapes around Iraq immediately prior to the invasion.

So no, you don't have a CIA confession to anything. You have alleged former CIA members telling a Washington Post journalist about an alleged propaganda plot against Saddam Hussein - which was never actually executed - and Alex Jones speculating that this proves Bin Laden's 9/11 confession video was faked, despite Al Qaeda itself failing to contest the video's authenticity.



Yes, it's an unfortunate situation which you seem more than happy to exacerbate on a regular basis.



Here you go, your own words:


Try boosting your intellectual integrity in future discourses.


I should have highlighted this aspect:

However, the two sources reveal that the agency did previously concoct at least one fake Bin Laden video:

The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

But the guy looked and talked nothing like Osama anyway so it was all moot.

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But the guy looked and talked nothing like Osama anyway so it was all moot.

Yeah and the truth is, even though the CIA never actually ended up creating this video of Osama getting wasted, if anyone has the resources to make a good fake Bin Laden video, it's them. Still doesn't explain why Al Qaeda didn't care to debunk the 9/11 "blood libel" that's been alleged against them, if it's really fake. So yeah, Alex Jones... go figure.
 
You're on the right track. Think about why al Qaeda never debunks anything.

Anyway, Osama is Arab. Which means he acts, speaks and behaves like an Arab. One who is educated and upper upper middle class. You can see it in his speech patterns, in his body language. He's not the hail fellow well met category, he uses his fingers and hands and eyes rather than his whole body - its very typical Arab mannerisms. Even the Arabic he speaks is very pure, not dialectic.

I think people are so used to the fake Osama videos, they have no recollection of what Osama actually sounds and speaks like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5icU578A4c
 
they have no recollection of what Osama actually sounds and speaks like

Let me fix that for you.

they have no recollection of what Osama actually sounded and how he spoke.

You need to get your tenses correct.

Osama is so PAST tense.
 
Have to admit, its really bizarre to see Americans getting upset over someone being violent. When was the last time the US practised non-violence or diplomacy? Their weapons flood the world, they have a thousands military bases occupying other countries, they train subversive militants in foreign states and support undemocratic and violent regimes, legalise torture and extrajudicial assassinations, bomb civilians by the hundreds of thousands using chemical, mechanical, nuclear and biological weapons. Even at home they cling to their guns and volunteer for military combat running decades long wars without a draft

Are we to assume that Americans deplore violence?
 
Yeah and the truth is, even though the CIA never actually ended up creating this video of Osama getting wasted, if anyone has the resources to make a good fake Bin Laden video, it's them. Still doesn't explain why Al Qaeda didn't care to debunk the 9/11 "blood libel" that's been alleged against them, if it's really fake. So yeah, Alex Jones... go figure.

Definitions: Like the appeal to authority and ad populum fallacies, the ad hominem ("against the person") and tu quoque ("you, too!") fallacies focus our attention on people rather than on arguments or evidence. In both of these arguments, the conclusion is usually "You shouldn't believe So-and-So's argument." The reason for not believing So-and-So is that So-and-So is either a bad person (ad hominem) or a hypocrite (tu quoque). In an ad hominem argument, the arguer attacks his or her opponent instead of the opponent's argument.
You're so good at logical discussions. Trying to reason with you isn't frustrating at all. . . yeah. :bugeye:

The reason "Al Qaeda didn't care to debunk" 9/11, is because it is a puppet of the CIA and the ISI. It in fact doesn't exist. It's a ghost story to scare the uninformed.

The “war on terrorism” is a fabrication, war propaganda that continues to serve as the eternal pretext for global resource war. That 9/11 was a false flag operation—that the official story is a lie and cover-up—has been definitively proven in numerous investigations, such as Mike Ruppert’s Crossing the Rubicon, Michel Chossudovsky’s America’s “War on Terrorism”, the work of Paul Thompson, and others.

Osama bin Laden is a product and asset of the CIA. “Al-Qaeda” is a covert operation, a “database” of intelligence legends, exhaustively detailed in the work of Chaim Kupferberg (Part 1 and Part Two). Pakistan’s ISI, a virtual branch of the CIA, was central to 9/11 and a player in subsequent “terror” operations. It is not surprising that Pakistan and the ISI is at the heart of the “death of bin Laden” as well.

The “death of bin Laden” changes nothing about the factual record that indicts (among others) Bush/Cheney, Anglo-American military-intelligence, and elite war/oil interests.

Tragically, none of this matters. The minority of individuals with unscrambled brains is not the target of this imperial charade.
Obama's "Big Lie": White House Propaganda and the “Death” of Osama bin Laden
 
Not at all.

Assholes like Osama, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Saddam deserve it though.
Quite possibly. However, I am sure that can only be argued conclusively when it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that they deserve it. All of those . . Osama, the Taliban, and Saddam? These were all nurtured and manipulated by the United States. So whose hands are really bloody? The assassin, or the paymaster?
 
And how would u approach radical extremists who were killing and threatening your nationals, no matter who they are or where they come from? Offer them their kingdom for a horse?

Its still a dog eat dog world and until that changes I prefer my dog to persevere cause god knows I can't stand how they run their kennels which I dislike more than how our own are run. We need to clean our own kennel but that cannot be dictated by someone else's bad practices.

The other side has probably a similar view on it, just that they're generally weaker, as has been certainly already noticed since it's mostly them who end up getting bombed to ashes.

Either way, I certainly wouldn't go bomb and occupy a whole country just to catch one idiot and his mind slaves who aren't even in that country. After all we're from the civilised West, aren't we? (ironic)

But since we're uncivilised just as the rest the other option would be to go bomb and occupy it regardless of sacrifices but at that point I'd not try to distance myself from the fact that I'm acting like a terrorist and dictator unlike the USA and NATO who act as if they're infallible thinking that because they're from countries where everybody can get an education for free they're more worthy than the rest. It's not the first time they've murdered people who didn't even do anything to them, and it's certainly not going to be the last either.

Well, I'd still not bomb and occupy whole countries just to catch one idiot and his meagre tools.
 
Quite possibly. However, I am sure that can only be argued conclusively when it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that they deserve it. All of those . . Osama, the Taliban, and Saddam? These were all nurtured and manipulated by the United States. So whose hands are really bloody? The assassin, or the paymaster?

Oh BS.

We provided a little help to some of these long ago under the enemy of my enemy is my friend doctrine, but helping Osama to push the invading Soviets out of Afghanistan is not the same as flying friggin planes into the WTC towers.
 
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