Osama Bin Laden is Dead

[adoucette]

Pieczenik has offered to testify.

But he didn't testify.
Because he had nothing to add.
He says he knows the name of a general who told him it was a false flag, but he's kept this secret for a decade?

Total BS
I find it hard to believe that people can be so gullible as to believe anything on the Alex Jones show.
But, I guess you and SAM are proof that you are entirely willing to accept an incredibly low level of proof before willingly going off down the rabbit hole of wacko conspiracy theories, is in fact possible.

In the end, I'm continually amazed how right Einstein was on this subject.....

 

[Giambattista]

How are you not going to announce it loudly.

And now in other news, it's reported that OBL was killed in Packistan, but first the weather report.....

They didn't have to. How long would it have taken us to hear about it if they hadn't done so?

 

[adoucette]

They didn't have to. How long would it have taken us to hear about it if they hadn't done so?

An extra couple of hours to maybe a day.

 

[Giambattista]

Well lets see, which version of the story do you want?

Anyway it seems that Osama's wife [who was in Pak custody in 2002] claims to have lived there for 5 years, according to Pakistani intelligence sources



oooh yes, imagine that!

note: version 2.0 of story still in the presses!

So she was arrested years ago? And was released to where?

A quick rundown of the different versions, if you could please.

 

[S.A.M.]

So she was arrested years ago? And was released to where?

A quick rundown of the different versions, if you could please.

There is a "fog of war" there. She was handed over to the Pakistani intelligence in 2002 and gave interviews at the time to Arab magazines. Apparently she was released to go back to Yemen, but according to the Yemenis she never got there. So either she was not released or she was released into Osama's custody

Anyhoo, new spin on the surrender story

During an exchange with reporters about Osama bin Laden's death, counterterrorism adviser John Brennan said on Monday, "If we had the opportunity to take him alive, we would have done that." But like other corrections to the administration's initial statements, evidence is mounting to the contrary, drastically changing the narrative about how bin Laden died.

Officials are now saying that the rules of engagement "all but assured his death," reports the Los Angeles Times. SEAL Team Six was told to accept surrender only "if he did not pose any type of threat whatsoever," and if troops "were confident of that in terms of his not having an IED [improvised explosives device] on his body, his not having some type of hidden weapon or whatever," Brennan told Fox News on Tuesday. A senior congressional aide spelled it out more explicitly:

"He would have had to have been naked for them to allow him to surrender."


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/05/does_bin_ladens_capture_then_d.html?imw=Y&f=most-viewed-24h5

 

[The Esotericist]

No I never said that. I said I realize you choose to believe almost anything as long as its wide of the reasonable and comes from any unknown source which doesn't bode well for you:crazy:

Why do you accept these unknown sources as 'facts' and 'sources'? Who runs 'truth is contagious'? Is it that you think the entire international press would ignore something they could be verify? Don't answer that because I know the answer which is why I don't pay much mind to your conclusions. You don't know what news or journalism really is so you accept wild rumor as fact and wild supposition as 'evidence'.

I can't discuss with you. You don't know how to read and do analysis. The source is unimportant. This article, like any AP or Reuters article, can be found in many sources. The author of the article is what is important. The international fascist press has no verifiable hard facts that mean anything. This guy does if you can use your brain and don't need to be drawn a picture. The only conclusions that you pay any mind to are ones that are drawn for you. Way ahead of time. By design.

 

[adoucette]

The International Facist Press?????

Friggin hilarious.

I never knew there were so many totally irrational and paranoid people out there...

This whole thread has been a real eye opener.

 

[The Esotericist]

And you know for sure that there were not elements within ISI and Pakistani military who didn't actually know he was there (complicity)? Is it any wonder the US didn't notify the Pakistani government of their intentions of going in? Why they didn't share their knowledge with the now embarrassed and back-stepping Pakistani military and intelligence community? The US is right not to trust this particular 'ally'

Ha ha. Now S.A.M. has got "conspiracy talk" in you. Once you start using those arguments, you have turned towards open mindedness and forward thinking. How twisted. I like it.

No silly. He's already dead at this point. Try to keep up.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Ha ha. Now S.A.M. has got "conspiracy talk" in you. Once you start using those arguments, you have turned towards open mindedness and forward thinking. How twisted. I like it.

No silly. He's already dead at this point. Try to keep up.

Oh dear. Your mind is so open you've lost some marbles. *bends over* Here they are Eso.

Obama had said over and over during his presidential campaign that it wasn't Iraq where we should be looking but Afghanistan-Pakistan. He also stated he would have no problem going into Pakistan if they couldn't handle the fight themselves. Meanwhile Frontline had done a documentary on the strain between the Pakistani government and the US because they were pussy-footing and not seriously attacking the radical forces within their own government and society. The US hasn't trusted Pakistan for a very long time, a frustration Mrs. Clinton has addressed often before this event.

Just take a look at it you media savvy fool. Its from 2006. Pakistan was NEVER trusted by the US government, they always fell short of showing a real desire to fight radicalism within their own borders, fear is a powerful disincentive:

After 9/11, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf pledged his country's support to America's fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but he has struggled to control his own military and intelligence services -- which have long supplied money, weapons and military advisers to radical fighters in Afghanistan. For Pakistan, the benefits of cooperation with America have been clear. As President Musharraf tells FRONTLINE, "Defense cooperation has increased between the United States and Pakistan, and ... the debt relief that we got will account for about $4 to $5 billion."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/view/

Don't you see you are feeding into ahistoricism which plagues your society? Unbelievable.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

What I find interesting is that when the FBI moved against Waco and Ruby Ridge (compounds), which was a clear violation by the US government, you all didn't seem to mind it much. Its only when its meted out against foreign nationals who strike violence against the west you all seem to cry 'foul'. Its very interesting.

Its clear where your loyalties lie but its not with 'the truth', it betrays more of what you would like the truth to be.

I don't remember so much talk of 'extrajudicial killing'.

 

[The Esotericist]

Riiiiiight. To hide something from the American public is a conspiracy Theory. To hide something from the Pakistani public? That's just a conspiracy.

 

[The Esotericist]

What I find interesting is that when the FBI moved against Waco and Ruby Ridge (compounds), which was a clear violation by the US government, you all didn't seem to mind it much. Its only when its meted out against foreign nationals who strike violence against the west you all seem to cry 'foul'. Its very interesting.

trolling.

Could you be more off topic?

You a mole?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Riiiiiight. To hide something from the American public is a conspiracy Theory. To hide something from the Pakistani public? That's just a conspiracy.

What exactly is it you believe is being hidden from whom? The US mistrust of Pakistan or what happened in the US? Because both of these were and are being covered and unearthed by the mainstream media. And guess what? None of these situations spoke of conspiracy because they were all too well documented:shh:

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

trolling.

Could you be more off topic?

You a mole?

You're the one unearthing the truth aren't you? So wouldn't that make you the mole?

'But something is happening here
And you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones ?
You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak ?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone.'

Ballad of A Thin Man, Dylan

 

[S.A.M.]

Hoo boy!

Apparently Osama had another house in Abbottabad [maybe the CIA safehouse?]

Slain al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden lived in a small village close to the Abbottabad highway for more than two years before moving into a larger compound in the Pakistani garrison town in 2005, according to the dreaded terrorist's Yemeni wife who is now in custody.

The woman told investigators that Laden lived with his family for nearly two-and-a-half years in the village of Chak Shah Mohammad, a little more than a mile southeast of the town of Haripur, on the main Abbottabad highway, the New York Times (NYT) reported quoting two unnamed Pakistani officials.

One of the officials pointed out that this meant that Laden had moved from the rugged terrains of tribal villages to the relatively urban settings sometime in 2003.

The presence of Pakistan's military academy in Abbottabad made several observers to suggest that it was impossible for the army or intelligence officials not to know that Laden was hiding in the vicinity.

"If he was there since 2005, that is too long a time for local police and intelligence not to know," Hassan Abbas, a former Pakistani official now teaching at Columbia University, told NYT.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_osama-had-another-house-near-abbottabad-reveals-wife_1540445

This news in DNA was accompanied by this picture:

Based on the evidence, Osama bin Laden is alive and well and currently a politician in Spain

A Spanish lawmaker on Tuesday angrily rejected the United States' apology for the FBI's using a photo of him to create a poster showing what Osama bin Laden might look like today.

Gaspar Llamazares, of Spain's communist-run United Left party, demanded the U.S. investigate the incident and take appropriate action.

"Apologies are not enough," he told a news conference at Parliament after the U.S. ambassador apologized via Spain's interior minister on Monday.

"I want a thorough investigation into this disgraceful case, which not only causes concern but also worry and indignation over the behavior of the FBI," he said, adding that he did not rule out legal action.

The FBI used parts of a photo of Llamazares taken from Google Images to create a digitally modified image of the al-Qaida leader for a new wanted poster, which appeared on the State Department Web site and offered a reward of up to $25 million.

The FBI said the forensic artist had been unable to find suitable features among the reference photographs of bin Laden, and in part used features from a photograph found online.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/19/gaspar-llamazares-spaniar_n_428011.html

I'm pretty sure is official facial recognition software is used it will be conclusively proven that Gaspar Llamazares is in fact, Osama bin Laden

Other possible disguises

The FBI and the State Department, which administers the international rewards program called Rewards for Justice, said the enhanced photos were created by forensic artists at the FBI's crime laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

The FBI said its artists modified facial features and altered "grooming and cloth choices" in hopes the public might recognize bin Laden or any of the others.

"These new images are powerful examples of how advances in technology and science can be used to help find and bring to justice wanted persons," said Louis E. Grever, the head of the FBI's Science and Technology Branch.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-gray-hair-beard/story?id=9563774

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

@Sam

Oops! Here is the part of the link you should have highlighted:

Using sophisticated digital enhancement techniques, the FBI today published "aged progressed" mug shots of Osama bin Laden and 17 other top terrorists wanted by the U.S.

One version of bin Laden shows him with a full head of wavy gray and black hair, and a trim beard. No previous photo had shown him without a headdress covering his hair.

The second "aged processed" mug shot of bin Laden shows him with the long flowing beard that has been his trademark, although much grayer than previously seen.

The FBI and the State Department, which administers the international rewards program called Rewards for Justice, said the enhanced photos were created by forensic artists at the FBI's crime laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

The FBI said its artists modified facial features and altered "grooming and cloth choices" in hopes the public might recognize bin Laden or any of the others.

"These new images are powerful examples of how advances in technology and science can be used to help find and bring to justice wanted persons," said Louis E. Grever, the head of the FBI's Science and Technology Branch.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

@SAm

Oops! Your first link states this:


If he was there since 2005, that is too long a time for local police and intelligence not to know," Hassan Abbas, a former Pakistani official now teaching at Columbia University, told NYT. *My notes: Which gets back to the reason why the Pakistani government was never trusted by the US and therefore never notified

The newspaper pointed out that the Obama administration had stopped short of formally accusing Pakistan of some form of complicity in Laden's concealment for over a decade.

Is it Sam you think no one bothers to read the links you paste and take what you highlight at first value, or is it you don't bother to read through your own links and therefore never come to understand the nuances being presented in the information?

 

[S.A.M.]

Done


Okay, so should Gasp!-a-Llama-is-Osama be expecting to be blown to kingdom come by SEAL Team VI

That would make it an even 10 times that OBL has been declared dead/

edit: hmm you changed your post

therefore never come to understand the nuances being presented in the information?

I'm intrigued. What are the nuances involved in using Gaspar Llamarzares as the basis for the aged picture of Osama? Instead of a picture of Osama?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Done


Okay, so should Gasp!-a-Llama-is-Osama be expecting to be blown to kingdom come by SEAL Team VI

That would make it an even 10 times that OBL has been declared dead/

edit: hmm you changed your post



I'm intrigued. What are the nuances involved in using Gaspar Llamarzares as the basis for the aged picture of Osama?

Only by your account. The world only seems to formally recognize one death. Maybe its 'your bad':shrug:

Sam: I'm intrigued. What are the nuances involved in using Gaspar Llamarzares as the basis for the aged picture of Osama?

The nuances are directed towards the complicity of centers within the Pakistani government in protecting terrorists. Llamarzares isn't even mentioned in the link. Was he even living in such a way as he felt targeted at all? No? Why? Where were the folks calling him in for the reward? His personal life and movements had never even entered the FBI list of 'wanted', so I guess he's, you know, basically A-OK! What's the complaint again? Cause you look at the picture and he looks absolutely nothing like Bin Laden.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

We will keep removing oppressive dictators or encouraging their own citizens to do so until there aren't any more left.

That sounds like the mentality of an oppressive dictator, indeed.