Osama Bin Laden is Dead

[S.A.M.]

If you like al Jazeera, here is a video from the neighbor of "Osama" at the compound saying the official story is not true

Eyewitness To Bin Laden's Death Raid Says "To Be Honest Its Not True"

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Right lovely.
At least your capable of critical thought but the idea that consensus opinion could be completely wrong seems to get an emotional reaction from you. Is the middle opinion, respectable opinion really so precious?

So who is this Al Qaeda source everybody is quoting? What nobody bothered to document the authenticity? And to question the authenticity of an unnamed source means I am insane?

Consensus people can call the fringes insane for believing unnamed sources and then consensus people can call the fringes insane for not believing unnamed sources that consensus believes in because the consensus shapers presented the unnamed sources information as fact. What BS, I say the emperor has no clothes on.

What?! Sources? You can't trust ANY source Niraka. Don't you know 'they' have a software program to alter ALL sources of knowledge so that the only thing that's told by practically EVERYONE is a lie.

Lies! All LIES I TELLS YA!

The only information of course telling the truth is by non-journalists who know well enough not to believe anything coming out of mainstream knowledge because well you know its all tainted with the tentacles of the US government.

Go to Alex Jones. Prison Planet KNOWS!!!

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

If you like al Jazeera, here is a video from the neighbor of Osama at the compound saying the official story is not true

Eyewitness To Bin Laden's Death Raid Says "To Be Honest Its Not True"

Seen it already. The neighbor never saw Bin Laden nor anyone who lived in the compound and is not giving knowledge but his own opinion. As a matter of fact his opinion comes under the guidelines of those who know absolutely nothing about, is not connected to it and was *cough* last to know

The only reason why he was interviewed because he heard the commotion went back inside and returned outside when he heard more commotion. They only wanted to know what he had seen that night so what he believes may or may not have been happening is irrelevant.

 

[S.A.M.]

I think what he said about living in a restricted area is relevant. The military does tend to keep an eye on the neighborhood around a base - this was also my experience when I worked in Ghorpadi - that when you first move in, the army checks your credentials

Still, it is entirely possible that the Pakistani Army is as inefficient as the US government and that Osama and his wives and children were smuggled into a restricted area and lived there for 5 years without anyone's knowledge

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

I think what he said about living in a restricted area is relevant. The military does tend to keep an eye on the neighborhood around a base - this was also my experience when I worked in Ghorpadi - that when you first move in, the army checks your credentials

Still, it is entirely possible that the Pakistani Army is as inefficient as the US government and that Osama and his wives and children were smuggled into a restricted area and lived there for 5 years without anyone's knowledge

And you know for sure that there were not elements within ISI and Pakistani military who didn't actually know he was there (complicity)? Is it any wonder the US didn't notify the Pakistani government of their intentions of going in? Why they didn't share their knowledge with the now embarrassed and back-stepping Pakistani military and intelligence community? The US is right not to trust this particular 'ally'

 

[S.A.M.]

Yes everyone is corrupt and incompetent but they only tell us the truth!!!

SKEPTICISM: The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News Event
When the Lie Becomes the Truth...

by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts


No explanation has been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the SEALs with a shot to the head. For those who believe the government’s story that “we got bin Laden,” the operation can only appear as the most botched operation in history. What kind of incompetence does it require to senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable intelligence asset on the planet?

According to the US government, the terrorist movements of the world operated through bin Laden, “the mastermind.” Thanks to a trigger-happy stupid SEAL, a bullet destroyed the most valuable terrorist information on the planet. Perhaps the SEAL was thinking that he could put a notch on his gun and brag for the rest of his life about being the macho tough guy who killed Osama bin Laden, the most dangerous man on the planet, who outwitted the US and its European and Israeli allies and inflicted humiliation on the “world’s only superpower” on 9/11.

When such a foundational story as the demise of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without acknowledged “discrepancies” that require fundamental alternations to the story, there are grounds for suspicion in addition to the suspicions arising from the absence of a dead body, from the absence of any evidence that bin Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even took place. The entire episode could just be another event like the August 4, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin event that never happened but succeeded in launching open warfare against North Vietnam at a huge cost to Americans and Vietnamese and enormous profits to the military/security complex.

There is no doubt that the US is sufficiently incompetent to have needlessly killed bin Laden instead of capturing him. But who can believe that the US would quickly dispose of the evidence that bin Laden had been terminated? The government’s story is not believable that the government dumped the proof of its success into the ocean, but has some photos that might be released, someday.

As one reader put it in an email to me: “What is really alarming is the increasingly arrogant sloppiness of these lies, as though the government has become so profoundly confident of their ability to deceive people that they make virtually no effort to even appear credible.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24625

 

[Giambattista]

In addition to former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Dr. Paul Craig Roberts questioning this latest Obama-Osama Drama, former State Department official Dr. Steve Pieczenik has recently come out with the revelation (actually did in 2002) that Osama has indeed been dead for years.

Terrorist Hunter: General Under Wolfowitz Told Me 9/11 Was False Flag

Listen to the astounding interviews we have conducted this week with Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a top US government insider who has held numerous different influential positions under five different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department. Pieczenik shockingly told The Alex Jones Show that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general under Paul Wolfowitz told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job. Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist,” he wrote the book on psychological warfare and counter-terror for the US State Department and was the inspiration for the Jack Ryan character in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games.

READ THE ARTICLE: Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

From Pieczenik's website...

Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling "Tom Clancy's Op-Center" and "Tom Clancy's Net Force" book series. He is also one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations.

Dr. Pieczenik trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T. He was the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD. focusing on international relations. He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker.

Dr. Pieczenik is also adamant that the W. Bush administration was complicit in 9.11.

 

[Michael]

If you like al Jazeera, here is a video from the neighbor of "Osama" at the compound saying the official story is not true

Eyewitness To Bin Laden's Death Raid Says "To Be Honest Its Not True"

He says that at the end based on the fact you have to show your ID to the military. What he strongly suggests is that NO ONE could live in that neighborhood WITHOUT the military knowing about it.

Soon he'll have to accept his government was harboring a terrorists and is about to get kicked off Uncle SAM's $2,000,000,000 a year gravy-train. We're instead going to support India. Just as I ALWAYS have maintained. Leave Pakistan to themselves. Let them suck on China's teet - we'll see how that works out for them.

 

[S.A.M.]

Apparently the CIA also had a safe house in Abbottabad:

The safe house was a base of operations for intelligence gathering that used Pakistani informants and other sources to compile a "pattern of life" portrait of the occupants.

Officials in America told The Washington Post that daily activities at the compound where bin Laden was found were monitored from the house.

The surveillance effort was so extensive after the compound was discovered last August that the CIA sought authority from Congress to reallocate tens of millions of dollars within various agency budgets to fund it, the newspaper reported.

The effort included satellite imagery and efforts to record voices inside the compound.

It said the safe house was not used in Monday's raid by US Navy SEALs in which bin Laden was killed, and has since been closed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-dead-CIA-kept-safe-house-in-Abbottabad.html

 

[Repo Man]

Dr. Pieczenik is also adamant that the W. Bush administration was complicit in 9.11.

So much for his credibility.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

He says that at the end based on the fact you have to show your ID to the military. What he strongly suggests is that NO ONE could live in that neighborhood WITHOUT the military knowing about it.

Soon he'll have to accept his government was harboring a terrorists and is about to get kicked off Uncle SAM's $2,000,000,000 a year gravy-train. We're instead going to support India. Just as I ALWAYS have maintained. Leave Pakistan to themselves. Let them suck on China's teet - we'll see how that works out for them.

Nah. The US cannot afford to cut off Pakistan, what they will do is simply do a little more arm-twisting and a little more crossing of borders to get their work done with or without the assistance of the Pakistani government. Worse case scenario is the US goes in and takes over their nuke program, dismantles it and takes it all out with or without the consent of the Pakistani government. Think I'm kidding?

But yes it does put India-US relations on the up and up vis a vis Pakistan (=stupid wankers)

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Apparently the CIA also had a safe house in Abbottabad:

And ain't they bad-assess? They have a safe house in your neighborhood too

 

[Giambattista]

Apparently the CIA also had a safe house in Abbottabad:

That's one thing General Gul said about blaming the ISI; that the CIA works in Pakistan, work with the ISI, have more resources and better technology, and ultimately are better at gathering intelligence. He wondered how they couldn't know if the ISI was harboring an "ex" asset.

How long do they claim he was there?

 

[Giambattista]

So much for his credibility.

Sure, whatever you say. Repo Man's omniscience invalidates former State Department official's testimony.

 

[S.A.M.]

And ain't they bad-assess? They have a safe house in your neighborhood too

Probably, but are they stupid?

According to the timeline, the news that al Qaeda has a nuclear bomb in Europe set up to go off if Osama is captured or killed preceded the raid by two days.

Would American agents kill the man who might know the location of such bomb?

 

[adoucette]

Sure, whatever you say. Repo Man's omniscience invalidates former State Department official's testimony.

Except he has no OFFICIAL knowledge of 9/11 and he never testified to that in any official capacity under oath.

Total BS as usual from 9/11 truthers.

 

[Giambattista]

Probably, but are they stupid?

According to the timeline, the news that al Qaeda has a nuclear bomb in Europe set up to go off if Osama is captured or killed preceded the raid by two days.

Would American agents kill the man who might know the location of such bomb?

Or, as I have wondered, they claim that killing one man is a huge victory in the War on Terror, but simultaneously are proclaiming that vengeance on a large scale is most likely imminent. This leads me to question why they would have announced this assassination so loudly, if they're so concerned with the security of the U.S.

Isn't that just a little counterintuitive?

And now we have dubious threats on websites announcing that indeed bin Laden has achieved martyrdom.

Hmmm. Time for a drink.

Or a hammer to the skull.

 

[Giambattista]

Except he has no OFFICIAL knowledge of 9/11 and he never testified to that in any official capacity under oath.

Total BS as usual from 9/11 truthers.

Pieczenik has offered to testify. I bet the 911 commission is eager to reconvene to hear more evidence!

How much testifying did Cheney or Bush do? That is on record? And under oath?

They testified to part of the Commission behind closed doors. I guess someone heard what they had to say.

 

[adoucette]

Or, as I have wondered, they claim that killing one man is a huge victory in the War on Terror, but simultaneously are proclaiming that vengeance on a large scale is most likely imminent. This leads me to question why they would have announced this assassination so loudly, if they're so concerned with the security of the U.S.

Isn't that just a little counterintuitive?

And now we have dubious threats on websites announcing that indeed bin Laden has achieved martyrdom.

Hmmm. Time for a drink.

Or a hammer to the skull.

How are you not going to announce it loudly.

And now in other news, it's reported that OBL was killed in Packistan, but first the weather report.....

 

[S.A.M.]

That's one thing General Gul said about blaming the ISI; that the CIA works in Pakistan, work with the ISI, have more resources and better technology, and ultimately are better at gathering intelligence. He wondered how they couldn't know if the ISI was harboring an "ex" asset.

How long do they claim he was there?

Well lets see, which version of the story do you want?

Anyway it seems that Osama's wife [who was in Pak custody in 2002] claims to have lived there for 5 years, according to Pakistani intelligence sources

PESHAWAR: Investigators engaged in piecing together the life of Osama bin Laden since his dramatic escape from Afghanistan’s Tora Bora mountains have discovered the Al Qaeda chief had been living in Pakistan’s urban centres longer than they had thought.

They have also discovered that contrary to a widely held belief that the 54-year-old Al Qaeda leader required dialysis to treat his chronic kidney ailment, OBL was hale and hearty. The startling claims, according to two officials interviewed for this report, were made by Osama bin Laden’s 29-year-old Yemeni widow, one of the three widows in Pakistani custody.

Amal, according to officials familiar with the investigations, said that before moving to his sprawling compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad, towards the end of 2005, Osama bin Laden had lived with his family in Chak Shah Mohammad Khan, a village in the nearby district of Haripur, for nearly two and a half years.

For years, since Osama’s disappearance in 2001 from Tora Bora to escape a US-led dragnet in Afghanistan’s eastern Nangarhar province, both Pakistani and American officials believed that Osama was hiding in the tribal region straddling the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

“Imagine, this guy was living in our midst in Haripur and Abbottabad for seven and a half years and we all, both Pakistanis and
Americans, had been looking for him in the wrong direction,” one official remarked.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/07/osama-lived-in-haripur-before-moving-to-abbottabad-wife.html

oooh yes, imagine that!

note: version 2.0 of story still in the presses!