Oooh. Do they offer part-time freelance work?
Osama Bin Laden is Dead
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Oooh. Do they offer part-time freelance work?
Hooookaaaay
Pakistan has released the photos taken after the US troops left the compound. According to the security team that took the photos there were NO WEAPONS in the house and all the men [3 of them] look like they were shot in the head
GRAPHIC PHOTOS!
Pakistan has released the photos taken after the US troops left the compound. According to the security team that took the photos there were NO WEAPONS in the house and all the men [3 of them] look like they were shot in the head
GRAPHIC PHOTOS!
It was already reported they took the guns.
Frankly I don't know. The report was that they left the hostages behind because one helicopter crashed and so they had no room. Considering that they took one dead body but no one who was alive [apart from 10 years of data in the form of computers drives etc] why would they take the guns instead of a hostage?
Does it make sense that they would leave behind people who might give them info and take guns?
Then there is more soup:
I thought about. My humblest apologies. If I were to find out that my family member were one of the SEALS that did the deed, whether I believed him or not, I guess blood is thicker than water. I would not doubt. You really have no choice but to believe at that point. NOTHING is more important than our family and social relations, no matter who they choose to work for or what they choose to do.
Again, I apologize.
The guns could have had secrets in them like microchips or engravings with passwords on them, who knows.
I wouldn't be suprised if it was 'kill all!, ask questions later' Honestly I don't really care. Honestly I need to be conviced and explained the rational for why it could be wrong that the USA killed Osama and anyone with him, assuming even that they were unarmed, and that the soilders went in with a kill with extreme predjudice directive, so what?
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So do you believe it now?
Al Qaeda has confirmed Bin Laden's death:
WASHINGTON -- An al Qaeda statement confirmed the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, and vowed to retaliate against America, the SITE terror monitoring service said Friday.
Bin Laden's death was "a curse that chases the Americans and their agents and goes after them inside and outside their countries," SITE said in a quote of the statement released via Twitter.
Al Qaeda warned that bin Laden's death "would not be wasted in vain," AFP quoted the statement as saying.
"We in al Qaeda organization pledge to Allah the almighty and ask his help, support and steadfastness to continue on the path of jihad, the path walked upon by our leaders, and on top of them, Sheikh Osama," the statement said.
Al Qaeda called for Muslims in Pakistan to revenge the death by targeting Americans.
"We call upon our Muslim people in Pakistan, on whose land Sheikh Osama was killed, to rise up and revolt to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves who sold everything to the enemies," it said.
It added, "[We call upon them] to rise up strongly and in general to cleanse their country [Pakistan] from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."
Al Qaeda also said that it would release an audio tape recorded by bin Laden a week before his death.
President Barack Obama announced late Sunday that bin Laden, the most wanted man in American history, was killed in a raid by US Navy SEALs at his compound in northern Pakistan.
Thousands of Islamists protested in the Muslim world on Friday in support of bin Laden, including in Abbottabad, where he was killed.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/intern...en_death_Jb0RVhPc9zNnFJvSrq3upI#ixzz1LbOcLvyv
So do you believe it now?
Al Qaeda has confirmed Bin Laden's death:
WASHINGTON -- An al Qaeda statement confirmed the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, and vowed to retaliate against America, the SITE terror monitoring service said Friday.
Bin Laden's death was "a curse that chases the Americans and their agents and goes after them inside and outside their countries," SITE said in a quote of the statement released via Twitter.
Al Qaeda warned that bin Laden's death "would not be wasted in vain," AFP quoted the statement as saying.
"We in al Qaeda organization pledge to Allah the almighty and ask his help, support and steadfastness to continue on the path of jihad, the path walked upon by our leaders, and on top of them, Sheikh Osama," the statement said.
Al Qaeda called for Muslims in Pakistan to revenge the death by targeting Americans.
"We call upon our Muslim people in Pakistan, on whose land Sheikh Osama was killed, to rise up and revolt to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves who sold everything to the enemies," it said.
It added, "[We call upon them] to rise up strongly and in general to cleanse their country [Pakistan] from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."
Al Qaeda also said that it would release an audio tape recorded by bin Laden a week before his death.
President Barack Obama announced late Sunday that bin Laden, the most wanted man in American history, was killed in a raid by US Navy SEALs at his compound in northern Pakistan.
Thousands of Islamists protested in the Muslim world on Friday in support of bin Laden, including in Abbottabad, where he was killed.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/intern...en_death_Jb0RVhPc9zNnFJvSrq3upI#ixzz1LbOcLvyv
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I wonder how Al Quida interprets the death of Osama religiously. If the successful attacks were a sign from god, what about this successful killing of Bin Laden? Doesn't this mean god wants them to stop?
From memory I believe the CIA did know that there was a lack of evidence for the allegations of a nuclear program during the public relations build up for the Iraq war.
Maybe the author of Bomb-My-Garden-Secrets-Mastermind did not know that the USA did not really think there was a nuclear program at that time and was only pretending to think there was a nuclear program.
I think Douglas Feith was at the center of the campaign to pretend that US intelligence conclusions were something other than what the US intelligence's real opinion was. The CIA did not fail but they got blamed because the Administration did not want to admit to their dishonest public relations campaign. George Tennet at the top of the CIA was part of the team that cooperated with Douglas Feith and the administration's attempt to misrepresent the findings of US intelligence and Tenet found CIA employees willing to lie to congress but this does mean that the CIA believed what CIA staff selected by Tenet were telling congress and the media.
It seems that CIA staff unhappy with the misrepresentation of their work but barred by law from saying anything publicly broke the law to leak information to Seymour Hersch and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_J._Feith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans
http://www.google.com/search?sclien...m+tubes"&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1
What happened in Tunisia was completely unlike what happened in Iraq where a foreign government toppled the dictator.
My prediction for Egypt is that they do not get democracy without more bloodshed. Unless the Generals become seriously scared of mutiny by junior officers they will not give up their power and source of wealth. My guess s that the only way Egyptian civilians can win democracy is to put the generals in a position where they must order troops to shoot civilians if they hope to retain control. Giving the order for troops to shoot civilians forces the junior officers to decide whether they want to be loyal to the generals or the people. Neither the generals nor the people nor the junior officers themselves know what the junior officers would do if put in this position.
Even if the junior officers stayed loyal to the generals there is a risk that soldiers themselves would mutiny as individuals which would be an even bloodier scenario. I don't think the Obama administration wants to risk finding out what the foreign policy of a rebel government would be if Egyptians had to topple the US associated generals via bloody civil war.
With regard to your first point, I'm not suggesting he had a nuke program, only that he was still hiding things, which we were not able to confirm until his downfall.
To your second point, doesn't that prove that when dictators are willing to use the military against the people, they can maintain their power? Doesn't that prove that military action was the only thing that could free Iraq from Saddam?
To your second point, doesn't that prove that when dictators are willing to use the military against the people, they can maintain their power? Doesn't that prove that military action was the only thing that could free Iraq from Saddam?
You can spin anything: Al Quida can interpret Seals killing OBL as sign of Allah's greatness, wisdom and justice.
Justice as OBL had labored long and hard with risk and personal suffering to drive the infidels from Muslim lands and now old deserved to die as a rewarded martyr, not from pneumonia etc.
Wisdom as by having Seals killing him, unarmed in the middle of the night, many will now join Al Quida to take up his fight - to keep the holy lands free from foreign infidel invaders.
Greatness as only ALLAH has the power to control events and make OBL's death occur so as to reward OBL and punish the evil infidel invaders.
If you haven't seen this yet, you must:
President Bush Reacts to Osama Bin Laden's Death with Will Ferrell
President Bush Reacts to Osama Bin Laden's Death with Will Ferrell
And since Obama has never been to Pakistan and does not speak the language, he couldn't possibly have been the mastermind of this attack.
Who really killed Osama Bin Laden?
Absurd. They're not going to leave weapons behind. And as for the people:
Though I admit leaving them for Pakistani security is a strange move: what would Pakistani security forces possibly do to them, besides offer a hanky? :shrug:
Anyway, the Pakistani report is so useless as to be...well, useless.
The reality - it's over here, somewhere.
It can be, yeah. Shooting enemies who are clearly trying to surrender is problematic. Assassinating enemy leadership is the sort of thing that's been widely accepted the world over for a long, long time.
What if the guy was in a room with a gun at arms reach and you have less than one second to decide between his life and yours?
I don't consider going to war in response to an open declaration of war, and direct attack on the US homeland, to be "knee-jerk interventionism."
That the process of reporting events in a theater of war, during wartime, necessarily goes through a chain of command is not the same thing as "foreign policy" being "secret." The foreign policy is not secret - it's publicly disclosed in televised press conferences - and is routinely criticized, all over the place. Nobody is preventing you from criticizing American foreign policy. That somebody will find your criticism to be flawed and tell you as much (even to the point of questioning your patriotism) is simply what open debate of foreign policy looks like.
Or you have a reasonable suspicion that the whole place is booby-trapped, and that he has a switch to detonate it nearby, etc.
The upshot of all of this is that the rules of engagement for such a situation make it highly likely that the outcome will be to kill the target, even if the preferred outcome would be to capture him. So in that functional sense, it does amount to something like a mission to kill. But, there are reasons for those specific rules of engagement - and I don't see where you can meaningfully infer the sorts of things about US intentions and policies that people here are after, without working your way through those reasons and their impact on the rules of engagement. Would be nice if people stopped trying to treat this is a vanilla police action and actually deal with the real issues.