Osama Bin Laden is Dead

"... May 6 -- Al-Qaeda confirmed the death of Osama bin Laden and threatened to carry out a retaliatory strike “soon” against the U.S.

Bin Laden’s blood “is too valuable to us and to every Muslim to let it go in vain,” said a statement attributed to al-Qaeda, dated May 3 and posted on websites that have carried confirmed jihadist statements in the past.

“We will continue to hunt the Americans and their operatives inside and outside their country,” the group said. “Soon we will turn their joy into sadness, and mix their tears with their blood.” ..."

From: http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPVv2LHsbFys&pos=8 And currently this is the lead story at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

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"... May 6 (Bloomberg) -- Osama bin Laden helped to guide the tactics, strategy and operations of al-Qaeda while holed up in his compound in Pakistan, according to an initial analysis of material seized during the attack that killed him, a U.S. official said.

The review of the materials also uncovered a handwritten note showing that the terrorist group in February 2010 was considering attacks on American railroads, a second U.S. official said.

The comments of the first U.S. official contradict previous U.S. views of the al-Qaeda leader as more of an ideological and symbolic figure. For years, intelligence officials have said that bin Laden, isolated by U.S. efforts to track him down, had ceded operational responsibilities to al-Qaeda’s No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The New York Times reported bin Laden’s hands-on involvement yesterday. ..."

From: http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2L4lFGpNC3Q&pos=9
 
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nirakar said:
What....?
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So, your argument is that dictators are bad, but there are so many we should not pick on Saddam. I don't care for that argument.

The Bomb in My Garden: The Secrets of Saddam's Nuclear Mastermind

As I said, I'm not going to defend Bush, my arguments for war are not his. We are not responsible for the sectarian violence, this was a huge dam of rage that built up during Saddam's reign. The fact that enemies of freedom cause trouble is no reason not to fight.

We also cannot be held responsible for sanctions, those fall on Saddam's head, he forced other nations into sanctions, and whatever deaths that resulted were his fault alone. I guess one man's tyrannical rule is another's "ambition". I find this sort of moral equivalency shameful, as well as your support of Palestinian terrorism. The struggle for human rights in Palestine does not justify fascistic theocratic terror.

I think the fall of Saddam did contribute to the Arab Spring we see now. People realized these tyrants are not invincible. Iran can no longer use Iraq as justification for paranoia, as we used the Cold War.

The Iraq Effect
If Saddam Hussein were still in power, this year's Arab uprisings could never have happened.
 
Yes apparently this guy who lived with 23 other people including a dozen children, without phone or internet, was planning to attack the US

The first intelligence from the treasure trove of computers and hard drives found during the raid on Osama bin Laden's Pakistani hideaway has prompted a warning that al-Qaida wanted to attack the US rail network.
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BUT:

But officials have also stressed that they have no knowledge of any specific imminent plot or threat. "We have no information of any imminent terrorist threat to the US rail sector, but wanted to make our partners aware of the alleged plotting. It is unclear if any further planning has been conducted since February of last year," said Matthew Chandler, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/06/osama-bin-laden-intelligence-us-rail-threat


err, okay

Meanwhile, from wikileaks:

The classified Defense Department files, obtained from detainee interviews at the Guantanamo Bay prison, were released by the document-sharing Web site a week before the raid in Pakistan that resulted in bin Laden's demise. (See list of related CNET stories.)

Abu al-Libi, al Qaeda's third in command and "operational chief" before he was captured in 2005, reportedly said the nuclear device was "located in Europe" and would be used in retaliation over bin Laden's death, according to the leaked files. The phrase "nuclear hellstorm" appears in the Defense Department's dossier on Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, who allegedly confessed to masterminding the September 11 attacks and will be tried by a military tribunal.

Another detainee, Sharif al-Masri, reportedly said that if al Qaeda was able to move the bomb to the United States, they would be able to find operatives of Europeans of Arab or Asian descent to use it. He said, the records show, if bin Laden "were to be captured or killed, the bomb would be detonated in the US" and that al-Libi "would be one of those able to give the order."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20059416-281.html#ixzz1La5embgR
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All that waterboarding must be going to their heads

So if a nuclear bomb goes off in Europe or the US will the assassination of OBL be worth it?
 
Billy T said:
See CNN video confirming this (from younger wife's statements of living there with OBL) at: http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/05/05/exp.arena.bin.laden.wife.cnn?hpt=C2

Also note that many thumb drives have been recovered with 5 years of OBL plans - a full 5 year record now in hands of US /CIA.
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Interesting, I hope we get to see this stuff.

Apparently the passport of a Yemeni woman has been recovered from the compound. Although it is being touted as the passport of Osama's wife, the names do not match and the Yemeni officials cannot "conclusively" corroborate if it belongs to her:

The passport of a Yemeni woman found at the compound appears to be hers -- but the name is not an exact match.

Yemeni officials say they can't conclusively identify the passport and the Pakistanis have not made any request to repatriate anyone at the compound.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/05/osama.many.wives/
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But at least now we have a name. Hope she will come on al Jazeera soon

Billy T said:

posted on websites that have carried confirmed jihadist statements in the past.
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Like which ones? Have they named any of the websites? Because there are plenty of fake jihadist websites run by the US

Okay... even more interesting

Apparently Amal was handed over to the Pakistani authorities in 2002:

In 2002, Amal reportedly gave an interview to a Saudi woman's magazine, al-Majalla, in which she explained how, after the 9/11 attacks, she had made her way out of Afghanistan back to Yemen with assistance from Pakistani officials.

As bin-Laden's widow told her Saudi interviewer at the time, "When the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan started, we moved to a mountainous area with some children and lived in one of the caves for two months until one of his sons came with a group of tribesmen and took us with them. I did not know that we were going to Pakistan until they handed us over to the Pakistani government."

Parts of that account were confirmed to TIME in a telephone interview with an Arab woman who prefers not to be identified, but who knew bin-Laden personally in Afghanistan and whose family formed part of al-Qaeda's inner circle. After 9/11, al-Qaeda's leadership had decided to evacuate their families. She says: "All the families had to leave Afghanistan swiftly. They didn't want their women and children captured." However, one of bin-Laden's former aides in Yemen insists Amal never reached home.

After bin-Laden's young bride - Amal was then 19 - was turned over to the Pakistani authorities, she and her daughter Safiya were released and allowed to fly home to Ibb, a town not far from Sanaa, Yemen's capital, where her father worked as a minor civil servant.

But bin-Laden somehow arranged for his young wife to rejoin him, with the kids, in hiding in Pakistan. In her Saudi magazine interview, she was asked if she would rejoin her fugitive husband. Her enigmatic reply: "Let us see what happens." Pakistani press quoted officials as saying that Amal claimed to have been living with bin-Laden in the Abbottabad safe house for five years.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599206993400
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S.A.M. said:
So if a nuclear bomb goes off in Europe or the US will the assassination of OBL be worth it?
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As opposed to doing nothing, allowing more attacks to occur and, presumably, enabling them to acquire even more nukes? Absolutely. Is it worthwhile for a country like Pakistan to involve itself in a nuclear exchange with the US in order to shelter Al Qaeda?
 
S.A.M. said:
Yes apparently this guy who lived with 23 other people including a dozen children, without phone or internet, was planning to attack the US
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Now you're intentionally being deceptive. One need not posses a telephone or electronic access to the world to plan an attack on anything. All that is needed is an retinue of trusted followers and--perhaps--a courier or two.

Good to see you finally admitting it was Bin Laden now. Your desperate jumping from one issue to the next (he is Bin Laden, he isn't, he was killed improperly, he wasn't really the mastermind, maybe he was but he isn't any longer, he didn't have the means to plan an attack) is getting tiresome though.

He was evil. He was killed. Justice was served.

~String
 
superstring01 said:
Now you're intentionally being deceptive. One need not posses a telephone or electronic access to the world to plan an attack on anything. All that is needed is an retinue of trusted followers and--perhaps--a courier or two.

~String
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SAM is too far down the rabbit hole of conspiracies, apparently fueled by her hatred of the US and Israel to participate in a rational discussion about OBL.

Indeed, she doesn't believe that OBL or Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 so further rational discussion with her is about as effective as trying to train your Goldfish to do Calculus.

Arthur
 
S.A.M. said:
Interesting, I hope we get to see this stuff. ...
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We will, but not for more than 40 years. Georgetown University is using freedom of information act to pry out secret documents from about 40 years ago for the National Archives they are building for future historians, but even these have great sections blacked out still.

For example, some details of the CIA's role in the destruction of many democracies in South America with support (financial and weapons) for local right-wing forces that became the dictatorships ruling all South American nations during the "cold war" are now in the GWU archives. But much more details have been exposed by the investigations of many different newspaper of major South American cities - Reporters going to interview the older people who were active CIA operatives* or locals supported by the CIA, etc.

* One, interviewed a little more than a year ago, by Sao Paulo newspaper reporter was still quite lucid but living in a Virginia nursing home. He was very proud of his role in helping "kill the communists" who had come to power in Chile via the electoral process when Chile had elections that elected the openly communistic Salvador Allende as president.
 
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superstring01 said:
Now you're intentionally being deceptive. One need not posses a telephone or electronic access to the world to plan an attack on anything. All that is needed is an retinue of trusted followers and--perhaps--a courier or two.

Good to see you finally admitting it was Bin Laden now. Your desperate jumping from one issue to the next (he is Bin Laden, he isn't, he was killed improperly, he wasn't really the mastermind, maybe he was but he isn't any longer, he didn't have the means to plan an attack) is getting tiresome though.

He was evil. He was killed. Justice was served.

~String
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I'm not sure it was bin Laden yet. We still have all information filtering through anonymous sources

Meanwhile, I pointed out the anomaly of someone who spent apparently 10 years doing nothing but almost planning a raid which does not even register as a threat beyond some vague plans. This is the same guy who evaded the US machinery for ten years and apparently masterminded how to blow up buildings in NY and Washington without ever once going there or speaking the language

Seems like a one shot wonder. I only pointed out the dozen children because anyone who has lived in a closed house with a dozen children none of whom ever went anywhere would know what it would be like. I'm sure you've babysat a few kids, ever babysit a dozen?

Billy T said:
We will, but not for more than 40 years.
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Once I might have agreed. But things like honor and duty do not override notions of need to know and anarchy these days. I have a feeling that there will be a whistleblower with access long before that time. I recommend you look through Sibel Edmonds depositions on the topic of Osama bin Laden. I've only just started and I hope she writes a book.
 
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Good to see you finally admitting it was Bin Laden now.
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Refute all the links in Paul Joseph Watson's Article and his research rather than just repeating what the AP and Reuters has told you via the U.S. military-industrial-complex and the net of international bankers and Zionists, and I shall ignore this thread hence forth.
US Government Contractor Claims “Al-Qaeda” Has Confirmed Bin Laden Fairytale


I will give you kudos. S.A.M. is a terrible debater. She weakens her position by being distracted by the smokescreen, and then trying to argue more than one position. Is it 100% certain he was dead a decade ago? No. But I'm not willing to debate this stupid fairy tale. Why she is, I don't know. However, she might just be showing you how absolutely absurd it is to accept this fake narrative by showing you how this story continually shifts and changes direction. The killing of Osama bin Laden: how the White House changed its story
The Slippery Story of the bin Laden Kill
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The truth, (or fact), doesn't do that.

If you can see clearly, you can see that the controllers, the real people in charge, want to control history and write it as they go along for their own purposes. Did you know, that even as we speak, news articles in the Google news archive disappear daily?

You should take a gander and George Orwell's 1984, all of this is nothing new. These ideas they have. He used to hob nob with these guys. They've been dreaming of successfully doing this to us for years. If you can't see all the parallels. . . . :shrug:

Actually, I suppose I should first ask, can you find a copy of 1984? If you want, you can borrow mine. :D
 
Believe it or not, who cares. The only thing that matters is the practical effect of his removal from the world stage. If the jihadists believe he is dead, fake or not it's a victory.
 
I was pretty convinced that:

Obama and Biden
were in fact
Osama Bin Laden.

Now I have seen Obama giving a press conference I have come to the conclusion Osama is as dead as he needs to be to ensure Obama's continuation. Now he just needs to assassinate Biden and all ties to his past life are severed.
 
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spidergoat said:
Believe it or not, who cares. The only thing that matters is the practical effect of his removal from the world stage. If the jihadists believe he is dead, fake or not it's a victory.
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Practically speaking, if this is the excuse the US needs to withdraw its troops then I am as happy as anyone else to sacrifice some 8-10 unknown bin Ladens for the cause - with millions already dead whats a few dozens more?

But I fear that this entire farce will be used to extend the war - I wonder what the ten year data mine "discovered" in Abbottabad will lead to - who will be the next victim of the Warz on Terrorz

I only hope this is not going to lead to more violence, more killing on a more widespread scale.
 
I hope the Taliban give up their war and alliance with worldwide jihad. In that case, they can exist as an extreme political party under democratic government and we can go home. The rest of our enemies will still have to be killed, sorryz.

Even in the ideal case of people rising up to defeat dictators on their own and establish democracy, this still involves a certain amount of violence, doesn't it?

Your attempt to undermine the truth of Islamic theocratic violence makes you their ally and spokesperson. I hope you can live with yourself.
 
S.A.M. said:
I only hope this is not going to lead to more violence, more killing on a more widespread scale.
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The war is already on. I just hope a restabilisation within the middle east towards democracy will aid the struggle against terrorism.

I firmly believe that closer monitoring of populations through cctv and other means like tracing of sales of goods (as the world develops) etc. will cause terrorism to become less feasible in the future. If you have nothing to hide then where is the harm in seeking to make the world safe?
 
The Esotericist said:
Refute all the links in Paul Joseph Watson's Article and his research rather than just repeating what the AP and Reuters has told you via the U.S. military-industrial-complex and the net of international bankers and Zionists, and I shall ignore this thread hence forth.
US Government Contractor Claims “Al-Qaeda” Has Confirmed Bin Laden Fairytale
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It has nothing to do with the "U.S Military-industrial-complex", so much as it has to do with a long history of reading very well written and researched works on the subject; having a friend who's an analyst for the CIA and having a younger brother who is a commissioned officer in the USAF and currently works for the NSA.

Granted, I'm not on "the inside", but I trust my sources, especially the one that I used to slap in the head while driving on long trips in the family sedan. Call me crazy.

Now, on your part, all you have is my word on that--so you should not ever accept my statements as prima facie evidence, I get that. But on my part, I'm fully confident of the things I believe on account of the original source material I've seen, the well researched works I've read, my general understanding of the world around me (and how exponentially difficult it is to pull off a massive conspiracy) and my conversations with those individuals who have general access to critical information on these subjects.

~String
 
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