Not to take away from anything else you've said, but I'd have to think there should be some leniency on this definition. They say Mexico is part of Latin America, yet technically it's part of North America, separate from the rest.
Osama Bin Laden is Dead
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Not to take away from anything else you've said, but I'd have to think there should be some leniency on this definition. They say Mexico is part of Latin America, yet technically it's part of North America, separate from the rest.
Near a military base, they say, and the reports are claiming that whatever the original intent was, Bin Laden was given a chance to surrender and refused.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Saddam didn't have to. Saddam wasn't outside of his own nation state running with a bounty on his head. Bin Laden could have shat himself but if he went to all the trouble of being off the grid electronically there is no point in him keeping sensitive information in his midst, especially if he isn't needed to actually master mind and carry out every individual operation. What they do know is for every cell there is a limit to what people know and with whom they have contact. I'm sure he didn't keep little books with names and lists of all his central commanders. I mean he's not an idiot, he didn't remain below radar for as long as he did being sloppy.
Yeah Abootabad is a military town with one of the largest Pakistani military bases. Its also a Hazara town although it falls within the Pakhtun province. i.e. Shia territory
Its named after Major James Abbott who was the first deputy commissioner with the Hazara division there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Abbott_(British_army_officer)
Mrs.Lucysnow
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I don't know. I think his FBI most wanted profile would list all those details. He wasn't already inside a military base his compound was in a residential suburban garrison town which is near a military base and school I believe.
In this case, "under the radar" means right across the street from a Pakistani military base. :roflmao:
Some of the antics that nation pulls remind me of a Canadian show called Trailer Park Boys, where these dumb petty criminals are always cooking up stupid schemes to steal petty sums and always thinking they'll evade the bumbling cops (they usually do, but pretty much every season ends with them being tossed in the slammer for yet another stay).
I think there's quite a lot more to the story than what's been told to the public so far. On ABC news they're claiming Pakistan scrambled fighter jets with the possible aim of shooting those US helicopters down, on their return trip after snatching OBL's carcass.
Hmm wasn't Anbar where Bush did a photo op with his fake sheikh also a Shia province? It seems that all the Shia provinces are breeding grounds for Osama slash al Qaeda hideouts.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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You never heard the term 'hiding in plain sight'?
Mrs.Lucysnow
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I don't know. I really don't know the story behind Bush and the sheikh.
Is that a trick question?
He fought back?
While DNSA Brennan could not tell reporters specifically if Osama bin Laden got off a shot, or how many shots he might have fired, we've known for at least ten hours of the assertion that bin Laden allegedly refused surrender.
You're already under fire, your suspect isn't coming out peacefully; things are probably going to end badly for someone, at least.
S.A.M. said:
He fought back?
While DNSA Brennan could not tell reporters specifically if Osama bin Laden got off a shot, or how many shots he might have fired, we've known for at least ten hours of the assertion that bin Laden allegedly refused surrender.
You're already under fire, your suspect isn't coming out peacefully; things are probably going to end badly for someone, at least.
God, the sympathizers are losing their minds today.
No problem - I'm trying to figure out the cui bono here.
So if they couldn't tell if he was shooting how did they know he refused to surrender? Or that he fought back?
So if they couldn't tell if he was shooting how did they know he refused to surrender? Or that he fought back?
Wow, was there candy being distributed?
In that case, OBL should have bought a fake ID and gone to live in the US. Maybe he was so dedicated, he simply refused to shave at all costs- I'm curious to see if he has a beard in his death photos. Still, I think it's extremely suspicious that the US had to send its own troops in to do this job, that they've been pretty quiet about what should have been extensive Pakistani assistance, and I think the US is deliberately allowing these kinds of suspicions to grow.
I think the message is: "Check. Your move, Pakistan."
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Well the only gain is for the American or western psyche. His capture is along the lines of holding the head of Leonidas. Capturing Pablo Escobar didn't stop cocaine cartels but it sure felt good if you were a member of the Colombian government, military and police whom he thumbed his nose at.
Another note on Pakistan: the reports from the US are saying this operation was started months in advance, they even constructed a whole mockup of the compound so the Navy SEALs could practice last month. He didn't just show up there for a weekend visit. Yet if Pakistan knew about it and was playing a helpful role, they sure took their sweet time doing nothing.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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And who should they have counted on? The Pakistani army who were afraid to muddy themselves in the matter and whom were not trusted from the get go? I wouldn't have trusted the Pakistani's to do something like this.
I don't know where you get the lured part. He was living there. We found him.
It has been reported that the woman who was killed was Bin Ladin's yougest wife. She was being used as a shield by Bin Ladin.