Osama Bin Laden is Dead

Ghost_007 said:
Bin Laden is no good dead. In fact, he went out exactly as he would have wanted.

We would have got some answers had he been captured alive.
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I think we did get some good answers. We have his computers. We have his documents. And we probably have some informants too. It does not sound like everyone in the compound was killed.

Given all of the information that was collected and that they were only on the ground for 40 some minutes, this was a lightening strike. Bin Ladin was probably dead and the compound in complete control of the US with in a few minutes of the Seal Team penetration.
 
S.A.M. said:
Okay, will wait to see it then, whats the delay in releasing the photos?

Also there is supposed to be DNA evidence? Is it in public domain? He has several kids/siblings so anyone who is interested should be able to check
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Reports are his body was identifed by an ex-wife and DNA.
 
Ghost_007 said:
As experts have been saying for years now, Zawahiri is the bigger threat. In terms of the most dangerous and fanatical terrorist in recent years, Zarqawi wins that award with ease. He was just something else.
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Maybe, but he has all the charisma of a damp rock. Can't really see that guy "rallying the troops," so to speak...
 
joepistole said:
I think we did get some good answers. We have his computers. We have his documents. And we probably have some informants too. It does not sound like everyone in the compound was killed.

Given all of the information that was collected and that they were only on the ground for 40 some minutes, this was a lightening strike. Bin Ladin was probably dead and the compound in complete control of the US with in a few minutes of the Seal Team penetration.
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What are we going to find on his hard-drive? he was hardly in charge of any Al-Qaeda operation. Experts are saying he had very little control and his influence was limited.

Regading the attack, I just heard on the BBC from the Pakistani High Commissioner heard to the UK that Bin Laden was actually lured to that house by the Americans and Pakistani intelligence. Interesting...
 
Ghost_007 said:
What are we going to find on his hard-drive? he was hardly in charge of any Al-Qaeda operation. Experts are saying he had very little control and his influence was limited.

Regading the attack, I just heard on the BBC from the Pakistani High Commissioner heard to the UK that Bin Laden was actually lured to that house by the Americans and Pakistani intelligence. Interesting...
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Thats exactly how it happened in Tere Bin Laden. Abhishek Sharma should ask the US for royalties for using his script.
 
Sam where have you seen it reported that computers and videos were seized? He didn't even have a phone or internet in that compound.
 
He didn't even have a phone or internet in that compound.
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I was responding to joe's statements above.

joe said:
I think we did get some good answers. We have his computers. We have his documents. And we probably have some informants too. It does not sound like everyone in the compound was killed.
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But so what? Since when does logic apply? This is a guy who was apparently lured into a secure base and instead of being captured, killed and dumped at sea.
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
The CIA created the Taliban, as a force to hold back the Russian-created Northern Alliance.
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Yeah, no, that's just wrong. Try spending five minutes on Wikipedia.

Fraggle Rocker said:
Everyone forgets that the entire Middle East used to be a chessboard
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"Used to be?" People seem pretty aware of its continued status as such, to me.

And neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan is in the Middle East.
 
S.A.M. said:
Okay, will wait to see it then, whats the delay in releasing the photos?

Also there is supposed to be DNA evidence? Is it in public domain? He has several kids/siblings so anyone who is interested should be able to check
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The Obama administration has photographs of Osama bin Laden’s dead body and officials are debating what to do with them and whether they should be released to the public, officials tell ABC News.

“There’s no doubt it’s him,” says a US official who has seen the pictures and also reminds us that OBL was 6’4”.

The argument for releasing them: to ensure that the public knows and can appreciate that he's dead. There is of course skepticism throughout the world that the US government claim that it killed bin Laden is true.

The argument against releasing the pictures: they’re gruesome. He has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible.

In July 2003, the US government released photographs of Saddam Hussein’s dead sons Uday and Qusay Hussain but not until after they’d been touched up by a mortician, making them look not quite real.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...asing-photographs-of-bin-ladens-corpse-1.html
 
Ghost_007 said:
No it isn't.

Amongst radical groups, Bin Laden was considered 'soft', not extreme enough etc.

As experts have been saying for years now, Zawahiri is the bigger threat. In terms of the most dangerous and fanatical terrorist in recent years, Zarqawi wins that award with ease. He was just something else.

There are plenty of guys around much worse and more unpredictable than Bin Laden. The danger is in these guys coming in to fill the void.

I believe the Arab revolutions are the biggest blow to Al-Qaeda and the Jihadists.
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Sure, but he was undoubtedly a figurehead who was well admired among the jihadists for 9/11. It would be silly to say he wasn't still important, at least psychologically.
 
Mrs.Lucysnow said:
What more water-boarding? Someone as committed as Bin Laden would have rather had his skin peeled off than give information.
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I seriously doubt that he was anywhere near as dedicated and courageous in reality as he's portrayed in his own propaganda. Saddam certainly wasn't. Only the most insanely deranged and detached of human beings fail to sh*t themselves when they actually find themselves in the lion pit.

The man couldn't even bring himself to live an anonymous middle-class lifestyle like Tony Soprano, let alone eat a shrapnel shawarma.
 
quadraphonics said:
Yeah, no, that's just wrong. Try spending five minutes on Wikipedia.
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If Fraggle did check Wiki he would have found this:

The BBC, in an article published shortly after the 9/11 attacks, stated that bin Laden "received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian."

In a 2003 article, Michael Powelson of the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya wrote:
It is difficult to believe that the United States played no role in the operations of the son of one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. Indeed, it is much more likely that the United States knew full-well of bin Laden's operation and gave it all the support they could.

A 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.

In a 2006 InDepth piece on Osama Bin Laden, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation published that,Bin Laden apparently received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – the mujahedeen – who were tying down Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

An article in Der Spiegel, in 2007, entitled "Arming the Middle East", Siegesmund von Ilsemann called Bin Laden "one of the CIA's best weapons customers." [5]
According to author Steve Coll, Overall, the U.S. government looked favorably on the Arab recruitment drives. ...

Some of the most ardent cold warriors at [CIA headquarters at] Langley thought this program should be formally endorsed and extended. ... [T]he CIA "examined ways to increase their participation, perhaps in the form of some sort of international brigade" ... Robert Gates [then-head of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence] recalled. ... At the [CIA's] Islamabad station [station chief] Milt Bearden felt that bin Laden himself "actually did some very good things" by putting money into Afghanistan.

Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, and Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council from 2001-2003, believed the CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy

So he cannot be dismissed as 'wrong'.
 
Mrs.Lucysnow said:
The Obama administration has photographs of Osama bin Laden’s dead body and officials are debating what to do with them and whether they should be released to the public, officials tell ABC News.

“There’s no doubt it’s him,” says a US official who has seen the pictures and also reminds us that OBL was 6’4”.

The argument for releasing them: to ensure that the public knows and can appreciate that he's dead. There is of course skepticism throughout the world that the US government claim that it killed bin Laden is true.

The argument against releasing the pictures: they’re gruesome. He has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible.

In July 2003, the US government released photographs of Saddam Hussein’s dead sons Uday and Qusay Hussain but not until after they’d been touched up by a mortician, making them look not quite real.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...asing-photographs-of-bin-ladens-corpse-1.html
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Didn't he used to be 6' 6" ? - ah well, its not like anyone is diving underwater to check. What is the reasoning given by the US for killing him when he was already inside a military base?
 
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