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Here's a remarkably revealing statement by BTox's hero author he quoted that I almost missed:

That such a method of determining the effectiveness of a treatment is implausible and at least open to the power of suggestion should be inarguable.

Right, sir, it just happens to be the central Law of Therapeutics, so I guess a superbly brilliant person like you who just happens to know almost nothing accurate about homeopathy and yet has a deleterious opinion of it, as is common, would say it is "implausible" without testing.

Good thing allopathic medicine will remain around long enough to help all of you guys to your graves, for our society really needs for people who intentionally misrepresent Truths of medicine to quickly exit this life rather than continue to do that horrible injustice by adversely influencing innocent people who deserve to live without unnecessary suffering to great agedness.
 
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Okay, absolutely no more talking to you dudes.

Somebody new and not deceptive or a sophist, yes, but I'm through with all of you.

Going to go back and correct those postings so that I don't get kicked off, but that's it with you guys -- goodbye!

Best luck with your stuff, and remember to test homeopathy since you've met an actual Hahnemannian who told you depth stuff you simply didn't understand.

Good luck!
 
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, NOW TIME FOR LOSER…

Ya victory is ours, lets all give a big applause for Btox, MRC_Hans and Persol.

Thankfully Hahnemannian did not find anyone here stupid enough to fall for his claims.

Now lets all get wasted and wake up naked on the street burning in the hot sun.
 
WHAT?? What about the "driving him into such a foaming rage that he breaks the rules and gets banned" part?? Aren't we gonna do that? --- I'm disappointed. Oh- well, come to think of it I do have more worthwhile things to do. For instance, I need to count my paper clips. :rolleyes:

Bye, Hahnemaniac, you were fun, especially your excursions into Astronomy and ancient Egypt just to show us how ignorant you are in those fields too.

Thank you for the applause WCF, you certainly did your part. I think we should also thank Tim (who seems to be a nice person) for starting this thread.


Hans ;)
 
Found a 100% lie in the paper quoted by BTox:

open-mindedness is one of the hallmarks of science and the rapid assimilation of new therapies and technologies has been a consistent characteristic of scientific medicine.

Harris Coulter has captured the accurate historical record of medicine in DIVIDED LEGACY: A HISTORY OF THE SCHISM IN MEDICAL THOUGHT, Vols. I-IV.

What that man just said is an absolute lie!

Harris Coulter has unequivocally proven by their own declarations and actions that allopathic physicians do anything but that and instead retain a repugnance to any therapy outside of their own methodologies, period.

And this pattern is consistent throughout the entire 2700 years of documentable medical history, so that man is either horribly misinformed, biased or a liar.

I tend to observe, as I do from the people here, that it is a little of all three.
 
WellCookedFetus makes a tragically sad observation for suffering humanity:

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, NOW TIME FOR LOSER…

Ya victory is ours, lets all give a big applause for Btox, MRC_Hans and Persol.

Thankfully Hahnemannian did not find anyone here stupid enough to fall for his claims.

They think this is a game.

Life, health and sanity are at stake, though.

People who reject homeopathy without any investigation are neither scientists or anyone to ever be trusted, and they endanger the lives of everyone they influence.

Tragically, this is a common pattern with their kind.

They think that the natural sciences have a pretty good handle on the phenomena of health, disease and therapeutics, but they seem to constantly refuse to observe the constant revelations from allopathic physicians that they cannot cure any viral, chronic or psychiatric cases.

Despite their arrogance, it is a well-known fact in medicine that GYTTON'S PHYSIOLOGY, which is the basic textbook for medical students and has been for over 30 years, admits in virtually every chapter that the knowledge of the particular organ system being discussed amounts to "less than 10%" of what would constitute total knowledge.

This is not hardly an enviable degree of knowledge upon which to base therapeutics, but they do it anyway.

Moreover, this information about the incurability of all of those diseases except the bacterial infections is not hidden.

It is, in fact, witnessed nearly every evening on the news when some new discovery in medical research, which the guys here are so desirous of, supposedly heralds a breakthrough that will finally permit them to cure an incurable disease.

But take account of these incurable diseases.

It's all of them, folks.

They play a broken record in the announcements that ends like this: medical researchers hope [or expect] that this will lead to a cure of [name the disease here and it's on their list of incurables because they ALL are].

Obviously their understandings are meaningless if their therapies do not work.

Why is this not clear to everyone?

People are confused by all of that information and retain hope in authorities.

It's about that simple.

But why do medical authorities in allopathy insist upon pursuing fruitless approaches?

They are stuck in a disease-mechanism paradigm or worldview that sits at the core of modern medicine.

This arose from the disease-entity or germ theroy of diseases.

The newest variant on this most recent set of basic theories of allopathic medicine is DNA research.

That will certainly distract them from real cures for decades more, just as each previous theory has.

This is the pattern of the whole of allopathic medical history.

The proximate cause has done yoeman's work in what is traditionally called Rationalist allopathy for thousands of years.

It has always undergone changes of approaches while essentially remaining based upon that central notion of some primary cause being the key to effective therapeutics.

Has it ever worked?

No, and not for the 2700 years of known or documentable medical history in which Rationalist allopathy has maintained a total monopoly over medicinal therapeutics.

They are basically hopeless.

But homeopathy has a sterling clinical record and is the height of things scientific since it is the actual Science of Medicine given to us by the 10 natural Laws of Medicine embedded right in the fabric of space like gravity, the gas laws and all other natural laws.

This is not a game, but those people obviously do not care one whit about suffering humanity.

Hopefully visitors will be able to perceive that their constant refusals to examine the homeopathic experience constitutes a scientific sin or crime of the highest order given what we have staunchly stated from the beginning of homeopathy: this is how to cure, folks.

May God Bless!
 
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One of the presumptuous and allopathically brainwashed idiots said this:

We want evidence of homeopathy working, No more stalling!

I never said I was here to prove homeopathy.

I said I'd answer questions if I could, but I am here looking for help to resolve a very important enigma in chemistry that will change the world when it is settled since anybody can readily demonstrate to themselves through a high-potency self-proving that these subAvogadrean drugs most certainly are not placebos nor "benign and innocuous," as allopaths like to presumptuously say without ever having engaged in a single self-proving to test homeopathic pharmacology.

I couldn't care less what people like those few want.

They adhere to ideas of diseases and therapeutics that cannot be defended but nonetheless lay at the core of all of their test protocals.

They are too stupid to be catered to, but we tend to retain hope that a few of them will see the great Truths of medicine embedded in homeopathy.

TimOkay is a typical example of such people.

What makes them so unique?

Not much, really, just a serious examination.

Ask him.

There's nothing special about any of us.

We have simply examined homeopathy inside and out, logically and experientially over long periods of time till there is not the slightest doubt that it is absolutely everything we say it is.

Who cares if people indoctrinated to allopathic medicine's false notions about names of diseases and that drugs can be made to be specific FOR those diseases instead of FOR individuals, as we insist is the only way to cure.

If they will not listen due to these deep manifestations of brainwashing, so what.

There is no helping such people.
 
Hi Albert

Tim said you'd be here so I have reading what you've been saying here and at Homeopathyhome and you're not on that board anymore so I thought I'd see how you'd been getting on. I've been getting less and less interested in homeopathy after seeing the way its supporters go on about it.

When people ask you for evidence, you keep going on about these Laws (your capital letter), but never any evidence for where they some from. You write stuff about the land of Mu and Lemuria and go on about how arcane sources have revealed these to you. That's not science, that's believing stories you've been told.

And this man Keininger where you get this Aether stuff from was a crook and even his own people threw him out.

And then you go wishing horrible deaths on people. If I had children who were ill I don't think I'd want them treated by someone who has all this hatred burning up their insides.

Another weird thing is how you keep going on abot how royalty use it . I'm sure Prince Charles is a very nice man, but he's hardly the sharpest tool in the box. Don't you see how odd it is if you say you're an American to quote royalty. I thought the whole point of the Revolutionary War was to rid the colonies of mad royals.

Sorry, I don't think I want to know any more about homeopathy, Im very disapoointed in all of you. Bye. Francine.
 
Francine,

Who are you? "I said Albert (Hahnemannian) would be here?"

"I've been getting less and less interested in homeopathy after seeing the way its supporters go on about it."

GOOD, GO AWAY.

"You write stuff about the land of Mu and Lemuria and go on about how arcane sources have revealed these to you. That's not science, that's believing stories you've been told."

You somehow associate this with Classical Homeopathy?
Your mind is definitely NOT what we are looking for...you are probably an alias of someone on the other forums but decided to enter this forum with a new name, as they always do.

"I'm sure Prince Charles is a very nice man, but he's hardly the sharpest tool in the box. Don't you see how odd it is if you say you're an American to quote royalty. I thought the whole point of the Revolutionary War was to rid the colonies of mad royals."

That nonsense suggests you have a scew loose yourself.

"...you're an American to quote royalty". Albert is an expert on Hahnemannian Homeopathy...Hahnemann lived in Germany and France and close to many countries with Royal families. I am not sure what your point is about him being American. It astonishes me how incredibly DUMB people like you are.

What went wrong with your mental development? Can it be corrected? Altho' Hahnemann cured all diseases, you may well have been his first failure.

"Sorry, I don't think I want to know any more about homeopathy, Im very disapoointed in all of you. Bye. Francine."

Good riddance. You could be one of the six or so "people" we have encountered who have a variety of aliases on forums (because that pleases their simple minds). You, for instance, could be Manonthebus, JC, OT, Simon Baker, to name but a few.

Stay away, Dearie (if that's what you are), or things could get much worse.
 
"Is the effect of homoeopathy due to the placebo effect?

The placebo effect is a popular explanation for the apparent efficacy of homoeopathic remedies.42-44 Linde et al addressed this question in a systematic review and meta-analysis of 89 published and unpublished reports of randomised placebo controlled trials of homoeopathy.25 They did an extensive literature search and quality assessment that covered dimensions of internal validity known to be associated with treatment effects.10

The funnel plot of the 89 trials is clearly asymmetrical (fig 3 (top)), and both the rank correlation and the weighted regression tests indicated clear asymmetry (P<0.001). The authors used a selection model to correct for publication bias and found that the odds ratio was increased from 0.41 (95% confidence interval 0.34 to 0.49) to 0.56 (0.32 to 0.97, P=0.037). 22 24 They concluded that the clinical effects of homoeopathy were unlikely to be due to placebo.25 Similar results are obtained with the trim and fill method (fig 3 (bottom)), which adds 16 studies to the funnel plot, leading to an adjusted odds ratio of 0.52 (0.43 to 0.63). These methods do not, however, allow simultaneously for other sources of bias. It may be more reasonable to conclude that methodological flaws led to exaggeration of treatment effects in the published trials than to assume that there are unpublished trials showing substantial harm caused by homoeopathy (fig 3 (bottom)).

The table shows the results from meta-regression analyses of associations between trial characteristics and the estimated effect of homoeopathy. Results are presented as ratios of odds ratios: ratios of less than 1 correspond to a smaller odds ratio for trials with the characteristic and hence a larger apparent benefit of homoeopathy. For example, in univariable analysis the ratio of odds ratios was 0.24 (95% confidence interval 0.12 to 0.46) if the assessment of outcome was not adequately blinded, implying that such trials showed much greater protective effects of homoeopathy. In the multivariable analysis shown in the table there was clear evidence from the asymmetry coefficient that treatment effects were larger in smaller studies and in studies with inadequate blinding of outcome assessment. There was also a tendency for larger treatment effects in trials published in languages other than English .
(Credit: MARK OLDROY)


The largest trials of homoeopathy (those with the smallest standard error) that were also double blind and had adequate concealment of randomisation show no effect. The evidence is thus compatible with the hypothesis that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are completely due to placebo and that the effects observed in Linde et al's meta-analysis are explained by a combination of publication bias and inadequate methodological quality of trials. We emphasise, however, that these results cannot prove that the apparent benefits of homoeopathy are due to bias. "

reference Jonathan A C Sterne, Matthias Egger, and George Davey Smith
Systematic reviews in health care: Investigating and dealing with publication and other biases in meta-analysis
BMJ, Jul 2001; 323: 101 - 105. (availaible on-line)

Thats a bit of real science for ya. It basically says that the only trials that show a positive effect for homeopathy are small badly controlled trials, publication bias problably accounts for any apparent effectiveness of homeopathy and large well controlled trials show homeopathy has no effect.

:)
 
Hahnemannian,

Dam you don't leave when you say you will, your not just a delusional fool but a liar as well.

I did investigate my self and with the helps of others here and have found no proof of homeopathy working, period. You place no evidence to your cause and you dare to call your self a scientist? Obviously your logic is so distorted that arguing with you is a lost cause, a waste of time, the worst part is that you don’t see that of us: you actually think any of us even comes close to believing you? You bring your fiends along and try to convince us with no evidence just ranting and fallacies, your wasting your time, fuck off.
 
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timokay,

that better? :)

Francine,

Welcome to sciforums! You seem to know these homeopathy proponent from somewhere?
 
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tim0kay@yahoo.co.uk.

insults don't hurt me, I would have thought you people would have learned that all we care about is evidence but you havn't, sucks to be you.
 
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Francine,

I'd try to answer your questions.

Got any information on electromagnetism in solubility or on hydroalcohol polymerization?

I'm still looking for lost information that has surely been filed away somewhere since these are such readily produced findings, and I figure somebody must know about them.

When people ask you for evidence, you keep going on about these Laws (your capital letter),

You do capitalize them when you specify them as either the 10 Laws of Medicine, the four Laws of Therapeutics, the four Laws of Cure or the Law of Chronic Diseases (courtesy of the Spagyric physicians), but natural laws is not a capitalized expression.

And natural laws are ABOLUTES that never vary, which is PRECISELY why the homeopathic data base is so stable and cumulative.

So, yeah, and why shouldn't we "go on about them" when they are the very core of anything scientific?

Who keeps anybody else ignorant of natural laws except those who are ignorant of them?

Not me, not us, they do!

Why? Hell if I know; ask those ignorant fools.

but never any evidence for where they some [come] from.

This is the second time I have been asked this silly question here.

They come from the fabric of space, like all natural laws, because they precipitate off of the Etheric Plane or out of the Ether just as the four (really five) fundamental forces of nature do, which is how the physical universe works.

The explanations of electromagnetism and gravity by physicists are really nothing more than convenient conclusions arrived at from observed effects, so they assigned the origins of electromagnetism where they last observe their effects, but these things are a bit deeper into the universe than mere electrons or any other physical particle.

Do you think it is really so far fetched to account that gravity and electromagnetism are aspects of the same force?

If so, why? That is the same force applied and the same effects, only one is observable at the atomic level and one with large bodies.

Who told academics to dismiss such conclusions? and why did they do that?

Hell if I know.

If you care to accept their explanations, does me no harm, but remember that they are the very ones who sustain allopathic medicine and cause it to go through its eternal gyrations with eternally changing findings, and those are the guys who will kill you and your children and parents good and dead real fast with either an accident, which is ever so frequent with allopathic medicine, or slowly through suppression and iatrogenic disordering of the manifestations of disease we call symptoms.

If that is the destiny you want for yourself and those you love, what can I do to cause you to avoid it if it is a heart-felt desire to end and see those you love end their lives so agonally, horribly and prematurely?

Is it smart to do that, though, and why are you even putting forward arguments suggesting it could be when it obviously isn't?

That means you had better not accept anything they say without serious analysis, doesn't it?

That's what I do, and they do not come out looking very pretty at the end.

You write stuff about the land of Mu and Lemuria and go on about how arcane sources have revealed these to you. That's not science, that's believing stories you've been told.

MU was the continent encompassed by the Ring of Fire when the North Pole was in the Greenland Sea north of Finland 78k to 26k years ago, which continental arch was created (the so-called "missing mechanism for continents sinking" that academics simply ignore out of simpleminded thinking) by that reorientation of the Lithosphere such that the Equatorial Bulge pushed it out 13 miles farther at the Equator on both sides.

The locations of the poles at various times are conclusions from very simple and everywhere-present data contained in magnetized rocks at various levels of strata, for those rocks oriented to the then-existent poles.

This is easily confirmed data if one simply looks into it.

The so-called Ice Age of the Pleistocene was, for instance, simply a matter of the North Pole having been in Hudson Bay at the time.

Did I tell academics to ignore this obvious and clear information?

Hell no, nor did I tell them to come to conclusions contrary to the data, so why have you accepted it?

Nobody keeps another person ignorant but themselves.

Ice accumulates in lopsided deposits at a continent situated on a pole and increases the tilt of the axis of rotation until the Crust slips as a whole and slides across two pivot points near the Equator in cataclysms, and this is the repeated history of our earth.

This is, moreover, the mechanism Einstein acquiesced to sufficient for him to have written the Forward to Charles Hapgood's PATH OF THE POLE more than 40 years ago.

Don't know this book, do you?

Why not?

Academics have never examined its information.

Why not?

Who knows.

I think they're just stupid and brainwashed, but Ivar Zapp has pointed out their heavy intellectual investment in preceeding information that they accepted, which thus causes them to reject radical changes of paradigm like Hapgood and Einstein offered to geology, paleotectonics and the dozen-odd other major subjects they threw into kilter with their discoveries.

This is common, however, when you look at academic subjects, for they almost all nothing more than a series of half-truths and lies as a consequence of being a series of basic assumptions that are slightly wrong but distort conclusions beyond what the evidence supports, so it takes several generations for such correct information to come to acceptance.

One of the main problems with scientists in positions of power within the power structures of academia, industry, medicine, business, etc., is that they allow only small portions of these paradigm shifts into their paradigm or basic worldview and model at times when they should act responsibly and throw out all of their wrong conclusions based upon really stupid basic erroneous assumptions.

Did I tell them to remain stupid and ignorant and bottomless karmic pits from misleading whole generations?

Hell no! they do that very well all on their own.

Do you want to wait for academic fools, who cannot defend their views, to tell you it's okay to believe something before you do, or do you want to test information logically and then experientially as much as you can?

I'll take the latter, thank you very much.

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As for arcane sources "revealing" things to me, I said no such thing.

What's keeping you from reading these sources and evaluating their information anyway?

They tell us that humanity has a very long history, and that information is confirmed by the data.

Who's keeping anybody else from evaluating that information?

Nobody, and this is the very same thing as with homeopathy.

Nobody is keeping anybody from evaluating the findings of Hahnemannian homeopaths, which is stable and cumulative data that has allowed us to cure all diseases so long as they are not allopathically complicated and distorted to incomprehensibility.

Compare this with allopathic findings where there is no stability nor any cumulative data and most certainly no cures!

What mindless fools accept the latter over the former and why?

Academic fools, and probably because they are intellectually invested in the natural sciences that underlie allopathic medicine.

But none of the information of the natural sciences other than supports homeopathy.

Like all such things, it is the way allopathic Minds interpret data that determines their conclusions; but change those basic assumptions just a bit and you get stable and cumulative conclusions like homeopathy.

Did we tell them to accept erroneous basic assumptions about health, disease, therapeutics, the nature of existence and the nature of the universe?

No, so who's to blaim but them?

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As for arcane sources discussing cosmology, their cosmology is confirmed (as with their history and prehistory) and is very elegant understanding precisely because it all fits without any major self-conflicts with data.

That does not exist with academic or so-called "scientific" findings because they always proceed from lesser Minds who begin from basic erroneous assumptions and thus end up through specious logic or sophistries and their presumptions with erroneous conclusions.

Want to believe those?

Fine with me; hurts me none, but it does you no good.

Go get the information and then tell me it was "revealed" to you and laugh.

Is there some reason for this derision without having examined the information?

And how is that a scientific analysis of it?

It most certainly isn't, not any more than the nonsense engaged in by the people dominating this site and saying they refuse to examine the homeopathic information.

But I cannot care if people choose to remain misinformed simply because they are uninformed.

It is not that difficult to do, but you have to want the information and then put out the effort to read it till you understand it.

Gee, guess there is an explanation there for why it doesn't happen?

Seems like laziness to me when the people involved constantly admit to such laziness.

Fine with me; let them be lazy and call that science.

Rather funny and tragic at the same time, but they have singular destinies that do not adversely affect anyone but themselves.

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As for me "believing stories I've been told," you believe lots of stuff you have been told, and I have NOT accepted anything without logical and experiential confirmation; have you?

Want me to rip your belief structure to shreds right in front of you and expose how you have just believed stuff you've been told but never really examined?

It's very easy to do given things you've said.

But that will happen when you get to that information, just as it will for you when you examine homeopathy in relation to allopathy.

Nothing is keeping any of you from doing this, is it?

And, you are very wrong when you say that information arising from natural laws is not science, for there is nothing more scientific than that information.

Want to give that one another look see, Francine?

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And this man Keininger [Kieninger] where you get this Aether stuff from was a crook and even his own people threw him out.

R.K. is not where I get information about the Ether.

Newton called it the AEtherial Medium.

The ancient Greeks and Egyptians had their names for it.

This is not new stuff.

Nikola Tesla, the Father of Electricity, held with the AEther and yet was an extremely practical man.

Modern physics is constantly demonstrating that the AEther is the only view that holds any water.

People who say otherwise are misinformed and have never examined the information.

They have instead, as you said, simply believed stories they've been told.

Where are all of the neutrinos, Francine?

How do you explain cosmic microwave background radiation when cosmic rays are already particles and waves?

Why do photons produce the wave phenomenon of the propigation of light, and how can that be explained without tachyons?

Why do you suppose that the more forward-thinking Minds in physics have finally proposed virtual particles and the vacuum energy of empty space unless they have all but thereby formally admitted to the AEther since that's exactly what they've done?

You have a problem with AEther Theory?

Let's hear it.

If you hold otherwise, fine with me.

We use ultramolecular drugs, though, and I defy somebody to provide a logical explanation for homeopathic pharmacology without it, for it CANNOT BE DONE.

That is precisely why it is one of the seven groups of natural phenomena proving higher planes of existence.

If you choose to hold/believe otherwise, it does me no harm, and it will not change reality for you to believe that you turn into smoke at death.

Lots of brilliant fools here believe such ignorant foolishness.

Makes no difference what they believe, though, and they will eventually learn otherwise.

If you believe that scientists have such a superb grasp of reality, why doesn't allopathic medicine cure, why does GYTTON'S PHYSIOLOGY say they're liars, why did Einstein call them liars, and why 1001 examples of such ignorant foolishness?

Believe what you want.

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Richard Kieninger was not a crook.

As a matter of fact, RK was a victim of low-potency pseudo-homeopathy through a clinical ecologist named Larene Ludwig, M.D.

She was throwing homeopathic medicines into the people of The Stelle Group and The Adelphi Organization like they're candy because she believes "they can't do any harm because there aren't any atoms in them."

I told all of them she was dangerous, but they didn't listen to me.

About three years later, the shite hit the fan with those people when it came out that RK had been having sex with married women who pleaded with him to do so.

The man was prescribed Lycopodium, Nux vomica, Tuberculinum, Hyocyamus, Nitric acid, Phosphorus and dozens of other homeopathic medcines on a DAILY basis IN COMBINATIONS and AT HIGH POTENCY FOR YEARS!

Is it any wonder such things happened?

The French homeopaths do this all of the time.

Does anyone object to these practices besides Hahnemannians and HPHs given that they deviate from all four Laws of Therapeutics and do nothing but engraft onto people totally incurable iatrogenic diseases in the dynamic forms of the symptoms those drugs produce in the healthy and cure in the sick?

Hell no!

That form of homeopathy should be outlawed!

But guess what, low-potency pseudo-homeopathy is the ONLY form that ignorant fools in allopathic medicine either quote from or wish to validate.

The people who do that, both here and everywhere, should be summarily executed.

The results of such aggressive deviations from Hahnemannian homeopathy produce tragedies like Richard Kieninger.

Did I do that?

Hell no; I tried to stop it.

So don't be telling me history that you clearly know nothing about, nor about RK's writings, not one piece of which is adversely hindered by the iatrogenic tragedies of his personal life.

Richard Kieninger is the most important author I have ever found.

With the exception of Hahnemann, everybody else's writings contain errors throughout their works, but I have only found six in the whole of RK's volumous writings on a VAST array of very deep subjects.

The closest next author is way beyond that.

Even Hahnemann made mistakes, but nobody talked about the subjects that RK did.

And I suppose you're going to tell me that you're familiar with his writings when you just demonstrated that you're not, right?

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And then you go wishing horrible deaths on people. If I had children who were ill I don't think I'd want them treated by someone who has all this hatred burning up their insides.

Francine,

People who advocate allopathic medicine not only advocate horrible deaths on people, they ENGAGE in it to the tune of two million people just in the United States of America EVERY YEAR!

Where is your sense of social justice to make such a statement?

If somebody murdered your children, would you just accept it?

Of course not, but that's what everybody does to these iatrogenic deaths in allopathic hands.

Why?

They don't perceive them as such.

Why?

Because they're ignorant of homeopathy and our proofs of what ALL allopathic medicines do.

Do I keep people ignorant of the Truths of medicine?

Hell no!

I tell them what I know, in fact.

Do I keep anybody from examining the evidence?

Hell no! they do that to themselves.

So what is your excuse?

And do you see hatred burning inside of me?

I despise murder; I am not hateful.

They are going to murder everyone you love.

If you doubt it, let it happen.

How can anybody prevent others from engaging in ultimately deadly activities if they so desire?

The world is full of very ignorant people who do this all of the time.

All of the greatest men and women of history have been persecuted by the masses and their leaders for precisely this reason of abject ignorance.

You want to defend such injustices?

Go ahead.

Karmic justice does not care what you believe.

Cause and effect most certainly extends to human thoughts and actions, and it will ultimately make no difference if you presently hold to indefensible and horribly ignorant views.

The human Ego is permanent.

Even if lots of human Egos do not make it to their intended destiny in this Cycle of Time, there will be endless subsequent ones for them to try again and again till they finally make it.

Do I care if so many people choose to remain ignorant?

How can I care about the personal affairs of others and the consequences that befall them from wrong thinking and wrong action?

Francine, do you want to try that one again too?

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As for the Royals largely favoring homeotherapeutics, you're ignoring an element of history that is very important to remember.

The most informed people are always those with the means of it.

One of the means of it for hundreds of years was wealth and privlege, for that permitted them time to study and the books to study.

For the first hundred years of homeopathy, John Amos Comenius' advocacy of mass education was still nonexistent.

It was, in fact, only in my generation after World War II that we finally saw such a thing in America and Europe.

Before that, the intelligencia of Western Civilization was largely the Royals.

That did not make them bad people, but their patronage and advocacy of us also did not mean we favored such politics.

Far from it.

The very fact that America was the almost singular place in the whole world that homeopathy flouished is a DIRECT consequence of the political liberties here.

Hering and Lippe split over such issues as well as over emphasis upon tissue pathology.

Both were right and both were wrong, and both eventually realized that late in life and thus go back together.

Hering was a staunch democrate.

Lippe was a count.

Both of them had abandoned Europe, though.

This is America!

So what is so bad about the Royals when we realize that our government (lawyers, shysters all) permited the wealthy of America and Europe to destroy American homeopathy through the FLEXNOR REPORT of 1910?

The Royals never did anything so evil to the common man?

Francine, do you want to try that one again too?

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Sorry, I don't think I want to know any more about homeopathy, Im very disapoointed in all of you. Bye. Francine.

Okay, bye.
 
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I've never used homeopathy, but I know some people who do and I joined homeopathyhome.com and put up a few posts, but they statrtedtalking about genetic diseases, mainly cystic fibrosis and would say that it was curable because with homeopaty all diseases are curable, but thne it turns out thatnone of them had ever treated a case and were just saying it was curable because its like a political statement that homeopathy can cure everything and you must never admit there are any diseases it can't cure. It all gets a bit like believers in a cult and they can't see there is a world outside the compound that doesn't have such a skewed view of things. And if theyre supoosed to be helpful people i don't see why they have to get so nasty.

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Francine,

I would have to agee it seem like a cult to me as well, total beleif without evidence, 10 laws without proof but treated like they were given by god. A extreme hate for disbeleivers that threaten them. Hope you stay here Francine we could use more level headed people like you, look Hahnemannian444B you help me find another follower of true science and discovery thank you :)
 
Francine,

Would you kindly clarify this statement, please?

"Tim said you'd be here.."

I assumed you were one of the "undesirables" elsewhere.
 
Hans: But the model already exists (didn't I already post this? Oh, never mind..) Does Homeopathy have a remedy for hypertension? Mild hypertension is relatively harmless unless persisting for years, so there is no ethical problem. Hypertension is also objectively measurable. Make a double-blind placebo-controlled (DBPC) test on that.

Tim: The Homeopath would have to "take the case" to establish the underlying problem. Specific symptoms are never treated individually...they resolve together with all the other symptoms associated with this disease state.

Hans: Also, you claim that Homeopathic drugs taken on their own (by a healthy person, I assume) produce symptoms. This is even easier to test.

Tim: Yes, it doesn't mean they have any curative effects, just that they do produce symptoms. This test would be the easiest of all.

Hans: I know you do not like the DBPC principle and think it superflouos but this is the kind of test that will convince the opposition, so why not? What can you loose?

Tim: I have no objection to this at all. So, 40 healthy people given Bryonia 6c or Blanks...fully DBPC.

Tim: Do you know if there is a simple "in vitro" test for the initiation/activation of the immune response - just the triggering of it?
Could test Homeopathic solutions for positive activation. ("Dendritic cells and T-cells interact to initiate an immune response".)

Hans: But this is not needed. Once you show THAT it works, we can start figuring out WHY it works.

THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT STATEMENT - THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE I HAVE SEEN.

Hans: "I'm not sure what you mean. There exists all sorts of relationships between diseases. The most common is when one disease weakens the immune system and opens the way for opportunistic infections."

Tim: What I mean is the cascading processes during disease. E.g., Do the cytokines produced in response to disease agent 1 have specificity in their actions to disease 1, and act completely independently from the cytokines produced by simultaneous disease 2? (Do all the cytokines know which disease they belong to?)

Tim: QU: Is there no conflict whatsoever between duplicate cells/molecules and activities of these diseases, going on in the lymphatic/blood systems, thymus, bone marrow, etc.?

Hans: I already said there is. The immune system is very selective, so unless it is overloaded (which also happens, as I mentioned), it can deal with several types of infections at the same timel like you mentioned, and usually does: Like you also mentioned yourself, our system routinely fights down infections without us even knowing, this is happening more or less constantly.

Hans: Other effects overlap. Fever, for example, if infection A gives you a high fever, it will also affect infection B. Whether the combination gives you a higher temperature, I don't know.

Tim: Hahnemann, thru' tireless experimentation, found that one disease dominates and presents its symptoms. I know you have answered that, but Hahhnemann said the symptoms of the second disease do not express themselves at all while disease 1 is processed.

Hans: Obviously, this is a difficult realm to experiment in, unless you want to induce a lot of diseases in test subjects. I will have to say that, despite his hard work, his observations are contradicted by present-day observations.

Hans: "However, this makes their reluctance to test for efficiacy even more incomprehensible."

Tim: Are they reluctant? Who Scientifically tests something?

Hans: According to Hahnemannian, Homeopaths sit and wait for science to test it, but this may be wrong. I know of some tests, none of which yielded positive results.

Hans: "Turn that upside down: Scientist are not trained in Homeopathic methods. Anyhow it does not require training. You can get somebody with scientific training to design the test."

CATCH 22.

And avoiding such catches is one reason for the rule: You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

Hans: "Most prefer a shot of antibiotics, though. Earlier doctors used mercury, but the side-effects were bad. Not as bad as the disease, though."

Tim: One dose of Homeopathic mercury is 100% effective in uncompliated cases, and causes no side-effects.

Hans: I'm sorry, but I do not believe this.

Which was why people died of syphilis, or bore the effects of the mercury.

Not the ones treated with Homeopathy. There follows an extract from "The Chronic Diseases" by Hahnemann.

Tim
 
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