Allopathic testing follows logic and the scientific method (Observe , Hypothesis, Test, Theorize) if it can not be tested in this means then it can never be proven, period.
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Hahnemannian
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WellCookedFetus,
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That's not true, for the only real test of any therapy is if it cures, and legitimate homeopathy has singularly passed this test in all diseases since we are the only ones who have never found any disease incurable.
I have told you repeatedly that the evidence proving homeopathy is in our case reports and clinical record; the provings are the experimental data that's contained in the materia medica that contain those provings; and the means of testing homeopathy's experimental and operative evidence is contained in the ORGANON OF MEDICINE, most especially the Sixth Edition translated by Jost Kunzli, M.D, Peter Pendleton and Alain Naude, M.D.
You said:
That's not true, for the only real test of any therapy is if it cures, and legitimate homeopathy has singularly passed this test in all diseases since we are the only ones who have never found any disease incurable.
I have told you repeatedly that the evidence proving homeopathy is in our case reports and clinical record; the provings are the experimental data that's contained in the materia medica that contain those provings; and the means of testing homeopathy's experimental and operative evidence is contained in the ORGANON OF MEDICINE, most especially the Sixth Edition translated by Jost Kunzli, M.D, Peter Pendleton and Alain Naude, M.D.
and that what logical testing is all about see if it cures. so far you have shown me no such thing, all you do is make claims and put up individual cases were someone claims it cured someone with out the proof to back it up that it can work reproducible.
Hahnemannian
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The 10 natural Laws of Medicine are part of the very fabric of space as absolutes across the universe, just like all natural laws, and they were installed there by Providence from the beginning of Creation, so God (the Elohim or Celestial Host or whoever one conceives of as God or the Absolute) is the source of them.
Who knows where the four fundamental forces come from, five if one admits to the Ether and its forces?
Hahnemann rediscovered them, but they were known to the Hermetic physicians of ancient Egypt, to the unknown homeopaths of ancient India and to the Spagyric physicians of Europe from the 6th through the 17th centuries.
"...then it must be based on something?"
Is that English?
I don't speak Moon talk.
Hahnemannian
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Hans,
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If you like and prefer allopathic therapeutics, nobody is stopping you, and the insurance companies certainly want to pay for all of those bills and will readily turn a blind eye on the sufferings and diseases they engender since they are all stupid people.
You said:
If you like and prefer allopathic therapeutics, nobody is stopping you, and the insurance companies certainly want to pay for all of those bills and will readily turn a blind eye on the sufferings and diseases they engender since they are all stupid people.
Hahnemannian
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Hans says to my response to something he said:
Fine with me; let them cut you open and feed you cytotoxic drugs till they kill you with therapies that they admit do NOT cure.
Nobody is keeping you or anyone else from making those death-precipitating decisions, and the whole of the allopathic monster is hoping that your kind of people will keep feeding them your money and bodies.
Fine with me; let them cut you open and feed you cytotoxic drugs till they kill you with therapies that they admit do NOT cure.
Nobody is keeping you or anyone else from making those death-precipitating decisions, and the whole of the allopathic monster is hoping that your kind of people will keep feeding them your money and bodies.
Hahnemannian
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Hans says to my remark:
And who is keeping you from examining that evidence?
It is not hidden and is written in language that the average person could understand.
Your excuse for not examining the homeopathic evidence is now what?
And who is keeping you from examining that evidence?
It is not hidden and is written in language that the average person could understand.
Your excuse for not examining the homeopathic evidence is now what?
Hahnemannian
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Here is a typically unscientific statement made by Hans and others of his kind:
It is your responsibility to test the findings, not ours; and it is your laziness keeping you from doing so, not ours.
This has been going on for 213 years too, so that is absurd in the extreme.
Besides, I am here answering questions, not providing evidence; I am here looking for help to resolve the enigma of homeopathic pharmacology.
If you do not like my answers but refuse to investigate the evidence, how is that other than a demonstration that you and your kind are not scientists when it obviously does demonstrate nothing but that?
It is your responsibility to test the findings, not ours; and it is your laziness keeping you from doing so, not ours.
This has been going on for 213 years too, so that is absurd in the extreme.
Besides, I am here answering questions, not providing evidence; I am here looking for help to resolve the enigma of homeopathic pharmacology.
If you do not like my answers but refuse to investigate the evidence, how is that other than a demonstration that you and your kind are not scientists when it obviously does demonstrate nothing but that?
Hahnemannian
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Folks,
Here is the impassable wall that allopaths and allopathic proponents in the natural sciences errect about homeopathy:
They call our clinical evidence "anecdotal."
Fine, then go off to the allopaths.
They await you with open arms and pocket books waiting to get rich doing you good.
Here is the impassable wall that allopaths and allopathic proponents in the natural sciences errect about homeopathy:
They call our clinical evidence "anecdotal."
Fine, then go off to the allopaths.
They await you with open arms and pocket books waiting to get rich doing you good.
Hahnemannian
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Hans says:
Unfair criticism, yes, like calling our cures of ALL unnecessary human and animal suffering "anecdotal" and thus a priori dismissing it just because your assumptions about health, disease, therapeutics, the nature of existence and the nature of the universe are a series of half-truths and lies.
Who cares if you dismiss it?
And they are lies!
Nothing they say about those five primary subjects can be defended.
The fact that sciences proceed ad infinitum along paths of falsehoods and gradually correct them bit by bit but remain subjects propounding half-truths and lies is not our fault, it is theres!
They are lies!
They say things about homeopathy that are total lies too, so they are liars.
I did not make them liars, they did and do.
Unfair criticism, yes, like calling our cures of ALL unnecessary human and animal suffering "anecdotal" and thus a priori dismissing it just because your assumptions about health, disease, therapeutics, the nature of existence and the nature of the universe are a series of half-truths and lies.
Who cares if you dismiss it?
And they are lies!
Nothing they say about those five primary subjects can be defended.
The fact that sciences proceed ad infinitum along paths of falsehoods and gradually correct them bit by bit but remain subjects propounding half-truths and lies is not our fault, it is theres!
They are lies!
They say things about homeopathy that are total lies too, so they are liars.
I did not make them liars, they did and do.
Hahnemannian
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I listed the 10 natural Laws of Medicine and got this initial response from Hans:
It is wrong because it is wrong and demonstrates it every day by not being able to cure or even properly understand the phenomena of their field.
Did I make them ignorant?
Hell no, they did that all very well themselves by remaining ignorant of the five primary subjects of medicine.
If they accept hokum and call it science, well and good; for science has nothing but a history of false conclusions based upon false assumptions.
Almost all scientific subjects rest upon erroneous assumptions.
I did not tell those bozos to accept that nonsense, they did it by themselves.
Circular reasoning, huh?
Allopathy is the personification of circular reasoning by holding to basic erroneous assumptions.
Don't be telling us that we engage in it when the sophistries of allopaths and allopathic proponents are nothing but circular reasoning.
And I did not tell anybody to ignore those laws and the means of cure they provide, so it is not circular reasoning that allopaths are wrong for ignoring them; they are responsible for those errors and do not care either.
So be it.
Causes and effects most certainly extend to human thoughts and actions, and my conscience is very satisfied because I adhere to these Laws of Medicine and thereby cure what they call incurable.
I do not care if others prefer to remain ignorant because it is not my responsibility to insure that the personal philosophies of others are tested and defensible, it is theirs.
"An unexamined life is not worth living" (Shakespeare, an Hermetic Initiate, like Galileo was one of another arcane association) because it leads to untoward reincarnation restrictions from the karmic debts of misleading others and other wrong actions.
Allopaths are full of negative karma, and they cannot avoid such effects of their evil actions.
If some of them want to learn homeopathy, we are here for that.
It is wrong because it is wrong and demonstrates it every day by not being able to cure or even properly understand the phenomena of their field.
Did I make them ignorant?
Hell no, they did that all very well themselves by remaining ignorant of the five primary subjects of medicine.
If they accept hokum and call it science, well and good; for science has nothing but a history of false conclusions based upon false assumptions.
Almost all scientific subjects rest upon erroneous assumptions.
I did not tell those bozos to accept that nonsense, they did it by themselves.
Circular reasoning, huh?
Allopathy is the personification of circular reasoning by holding to basic erroneous assumptions.
Don't be telling us that we engage in it when the sophistries of allopaths and allopathic proponents are nothing but circular reasoning.
And I did not tell anybody to ignore those laws and the means of cure they provide, so it is not circular reasoning that allopaths are wrong for ignoring them; they are responsible for those errors and do not care either.
So be it.
Causes and effects most certainly extend to human thoughts and actions, and my conscience is very satisfied because I adhere to these Laws of Medicine and thereby cure what they call incurable.
I do not care if others prefer to remain ignorant because it is not my responsibility to insure that the personal philosophies of others are tested and defensible, it is theirs.
"An unexamined life is not worth living" (Shakespeare, an Hermetic Initiate, like Galileo was one of another arcane association) because it leads to untoward reincarnation restrictions from the karmic debts of misleading others and other wrong actions.
Allopaths are full of negative karma, and they cannot avoid such effects of their evil actions.
If some of them want to learn homeopathy, we are here for that.
Hahnemannian
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Hans says and asks:
You had better cool it with the insults, man.
I have limited patience with allopathic Minds, for I know the results of allopathic therapeutics far too well already.
The Laws of Medicine are used by homeopaths; they have nothing to do with dogmas.
If you want to test these natural laws, test homeopathy.
Again, who is keeping you from doing so?
For instance, one of the first tests of homeopathy is a high-potency self-proving?
Who is keeping you from doing so?
Article 141 of the ORGANON OF MEDICINE tells why it is good for you, but Hahnemann did not state there what he said to provers: Aude sapere ("dare to taste and understand").
And your excuse for not testing homeopathy is what now?
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Medieval mumbo jumbo, huh?
Like, for instance, that man is nothing more than a physical organism when at least seven natural phenomena prove that an absolute lie?
The four-cone, four-plane, four-octave model of human existence is not upheld by homeopathy per se, because it is not required to hold to higher planes to embrace homeopathy.
Tim does not view it this way, nor do many, but I do.
George Vithoulkas, the leader of the high-potency pseudo-homeopaths in this NeoRenaissance of homeopathy, published a three-cone model from somebody else (probably Bill Gray, MD) that's simply wrong because there are four planes, four octaves of atomic nutational motion in which the human being exists.
If you dismiss this, fine.
Believe you become smoke after you die; it's a lie and makes no difference to me.
You had better cool it with the insults, man.
I have limited patience with allopathic Minds, for I know the results of allopathic therapeutics far too well already.
The Laws of Medicine are used by homeopaths; they have nothing to do with dogmas.
If you want to test these natural laws, test homeopathy.
Again, who is keeping you from doing so?
For instance, one of the first tests of homeopathy is a high-potency self-proving?
Who is keeping you from doing so?
Article 141 of the ORGANON OF MEDICINE tells why it is good for you, but Hahnemann did not state there what he said to provers: Aude sapere ("dare to taste and understand").
And your excuse for not testing homeopathy is what now?
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Medieval mumbo jumbo, huh?
Like, for instance, that man is nothing more than a physical organism when at least seven natural phenomena prove that an absolute lie?
The four-cone, four-plane, four-octave model of human existence is not upheld by homeopathy per se, because it is not required to hold to higher planes to embrace homeopathy.
Tim does not view it this way, nor do many, but I do.
George Vithoulkas, the leader of the high-potency pseudo-homeopaths in this NeoRenaissance of homeopathy, published a three-cone model from somebody else (probably Bill Gray, MD) that's simply wrong because there are four planes, four octaves of atomic nutational motion in which the human being exists.
If you dismiss this, fine.
Believe you become smoke after you die; it's a lie and makes no difference to me.
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Hahnemannian
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Hans says:
Is that right?
Your school sold bloodletting and calomelization for 2600 years.
Would that be because it worked?
Is that right?
Your school sold bloodletting and calomelization for 2600 years.
Would that be because it worked?
Hahnemannian
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Hans says:
You know how homeopathic medicines enter the the homeopathic pharmacopia and materia medica.
Doubted.
I will be submitting one in about a year.
I doubt that you have the slightest idea how that happens.
No doubt you mean how allopathics enter the environment of allopathic medical practice.
We do not care since they will forever be skull-and-crossbones drugs from the Dark Ages.
You can document their properties all you want; it does not affect homeotherapeutics for allopaths to eternally engage in this process at the expense of human life.
Stay deluded that curative benefits ensure from allopathic medicine; we do not care.
You will be searching for cures till the end of time.
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And here, of course, is your presumption:
Allopaths have no say so over our drugs or therapeutics.
Why do you think they do?
And, again, what is keeping you from learning how to cure?
You know how homeopathic medicines enter the the homeopathic pharmacopia and materia medica.
Doubted.
I will be submitting one in about a year.
I doubt that you have the slightest idea how that happens.
No doubt you mean how allopathics enter the environment of allopathic medical practice.
We do not care since they will forever be skull-and-crossbones drugs from the Dark Ages.
You can document their properties all you want; it does not affect homeotherapeutics for allopaths to eternally engage in this process at the expense of human life.
Stay deluded that curative benefits ensure from allopathic medicine; we do not care.
You will be searching for cures till the end of time.
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And here, of course, is your presumption:
Allopaths have no say so over our drugs or therapeutics.
Why do you think they do?
And, again, what is keeping you from learning how to cure?
Hahnemannian
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Hans says to my remarks:
Analgesics are not disease cures, are they?
And homone-replacement therapies are not either, are they?
I do not know what you mean by protein replacement but assume you're talking about RNA-synthesis processes.
We do not care about effete therapies.
Why do you not want to know how to cure?
Analgesics are not disease cures, are they?
And homone-replacement therapies are not either, are they?
I do not know what you mean by protein replacement but assume you're talking about RNA-synthesis processes.
We do not care about effete therapies.
Why do you not want to know how to cure?
Hahnemannian
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Hans says to my remark:
No, it only proves that you have not read the evidence, nothing more.
No, it only proves that you have not read the evidence, nothing more.
It is an endless loop of deception and misdirection. We ask where is the proof of these "cures". The response is Hahnemann's "proofs" from 200 years ago. We ask for evidence of modern cures of disease, the response is Hahnemann's proofs from 200 years ago are sufficient. We ask for scientific basis and validation of the 10 "natural laws", the answer is Hahnemann's proofs from 200 years ago.
It is very curious how the mind bends reason and discards fact to support a false system and wasted life's work!
Hahnemannian
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Hans says to my remark:
That's a sin, and I'm losing patience with you.
Can you define a sin, sir?
That's a sin, and I'm losing patience with you.
Can you define a sin, sir?
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Ya sin its what Hahnemannian doing to the humen race.
What keeping us from looking at that evidence is that you won't present it. All you present is hearsay or circumstantial it’s not proof or legitimately referenced.
Also “there is 213 years of evidence, there for it must be true” is an Appeal to Tradition fallacy, just because it that old does not mean that its true, for example: “People believe for over 1000 years the earth was flat, there for it must be true.”
What keeping us from looking at that evidence is that you won't present it. All you present is hearsay or circumstantial it’s not proof or legitimately referenced.
Also “there is 213 years of evidence, there for it must be true” is an Appeal to Tradition fallacy, just because it that old does not mean that its true, for example: “People believe for over 1000 years the earth was flat, there for it must be true.”
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