Oil Reserves in the U.S. Upped

[iceaura]

The chart may not have been made in the last century, but it was develop from theories and data from the 20th Century, and those theories are being proven wrong, oil is still being found, the fields are being developed, and the recovery technology is advancing.

Again, John Mann, PH.D., has shown the way to 72 mega fields since 2000, and has the information to fine 33 more, now explain that away.

Just add them into the chart I linked for you - adding in only the ones not already included as projections, of course, which the Jack field in the Gulf I believe was - and see what you get.

The peak oil theory has successfully predicted three or four oil peaks - the US and Saudi Arabian peaks in particular. You can bet against it if you want to, but a prudent person would hedge heavily.

 

[Syzygys]

Now prove that.

Crude oil peaked in May 2005. Also it is just common sense, what you lack*....and YOU have to prove abiotic oil, because you made a positive statement.

There you go....

*Common sense proof for Dummies: If you apply continuous consumption to ANY finite (limited) resource, you are going to run out of it sooner or later, it is just question of TIME.

 

[Syzygys]

Prudhoe Bay has a remaining proven reserve of 81 billion barrels, is it going to run dry in 6 months? since 1968, 10 billion barrels of oil have been produced from Prudhoe Bay, that is 40 years, so again how did you come up with 6 months?6 month?

Man, you are dull with a reading comprehension problem.

I said, 6 months of world consumption. If you knew anything about oil, you were aware of the fact that the world uses 30 or so billion barrels per year, thus a 15 billion barrels reservoir is enough for 6 months to statisfy the world's needs...

I will spell it out for you: If the current reserves are sufficient for about 40 years with current usage and assuming nothing else changes, any new discovery divided by the current usage gives just how much more time left with any additional oildiscovery before we run out. Clear now?

So you have to put any new numbers in this concept. We NEED to discover about 30 billion barrels a year every year from now on if we don't want to run out of oil.

 

[Enmos]

Buffalo Roam thinks the oil reserves will last forever.. maybe Jesus is down there.
Of course it's no fish and bread though, but who knows..

 

[Nickelodeon]

He still belives in abiotic oil doesnt he?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Just add them into the chart I linked for you - adding in only the ones not already included as projections, of course, which the Jack field in the Gulf I believe was - and see what you get.

The peak oil theory has successfully predicted three or four oil peaks - the US and Saudi Arabian peaks in particular. You can bet against it if you want to, but a prudent person would hedge heavily.

The Jack Oil Field is not a projection, the first platform is already in place.

No, your the one that state that it would be only good for 6 months, and that is based on your belief in peak oil.

Again may I point out to you Prudhoe Bay, spuded in, in 1968, 10 billion barrels of oil produced since it's opening to date, 81 billion barrels in reserve, for the projected 100 billion barrel it holds.

That is 40 years of production, now show me your math, it is not incumbent on me to prove you statement and projection, that is your responsibility, not mine, I believe that the information I just provided, disproves your projection, by 39 years 6 months.

By your projections Saudi Arabia with 264.3 billion barrels of proven reserves, should be dry.

6 month for a 100 billion barrels? by your own projection that is only, 1 year and 7 1/2 months of oil in Saudi Arabia, it should be dry right now, as those projections were from 2006.

Greatest Oil Reserves by Country, 2006
Rank Country Proved reserves
(billion barrels)
1. Saudi Arabia 264.3
2. Canada 178.8
3. Iran 132.5
4. Iraq 115.0
5. Kuwait 101.5
6. United Arab Emirates 97.8
7. Venezuela 79.7
8. Russia 60.0
9. Libya 39.1
10. Nigeria 35.9
11. United States 21.4
12. China 18.3
13. Qatar 15.2
14. Mexico 12.9
15. Algeria 11.4
16. Brazil 11.2
17. Kazakhstan 9.0
18. Norway 7.7
19. Azerbaijan 7.0
20. India 5.8

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Buffalo Roam thinks the oil reserves will last forever.. maybe Jesus is down there.
Of course it's no fish and bread though, but who knows..

NWTRT

 

[Buffalo Roam]

He still belives in abiotic oil doesnt he?

Yes Nick, and you still believe in Santa Claus.

Now provide absolute proof of biotic oil.

 

[Enmos]

NWTRT

No Way To Really Tell ??

 

[Buffalo Roam]

No Way To Really Tell ??

Yes you are correct, there is no way to really tell if oil is bioitc.

 

[Enmos]

Yes you are correct, there is no way to really tell if oil is bioitc.

Wtf ? How do you propose it came to be ?

 

[Syzygys]

"The problem of arguing with ignoramuses, that they won't understand the simplest things and their math is worse than a 3rd grader."

No, your the one that state that it would be only good for 6 months, and that is based on your belief in peak oil.

I think you misstoke Iceaura for me, so here we go:

The world uses app. 30 billion barrels per YEAR. So when you use that number for any reservoir, IF the world used only that reservoir, it would be sucked dry in that amount of time. In case of a 15 billion barrels reservoir it is 6 months.

Clear now?

That is 40 years of production,

It is irrelevant, because the world uses oil from other sources. That math is good just to show how little we discover nowadays, it is a hypothetical way..

Rank Country Proved reserves
(billion barrels)
1. Saudi Arabia 264.3

Thanks for the list, I will use it to show you how we get only about 40 years of oil left. But first, let's divide 264 by 30. That is the number of years when SA would be sucked dry, if the world used ONLY Saudi Arabian oil. I got less than 9 years. How many you got?

Now if your head doesn't hurt yet, let's do another math! Let's add all the numbers on the list. I did it quickly, so that is around 1220 billion barrels left.(taken at facevalue the Arabic countries' inflated numbers)

Now, if you divide 1220 by 30 you get about 41 years. And that is how long crude oil would last, if nothing else changes from today. Of course thing will change, but it just shows that in 4 decades we could be out of oil and MAJOR changes needed in approaching the problems. One would be not believing in fairy tales and abiotic oil.

First, the world's oildemand growth (that is the extra oil needed every year) is FASTER than new discoveries. That means if we don't start to use alternative energy sources, we will run our of oil FASTER than 41 years.

So anytime when you get a hard on by reading a new discovery, first divide that number by 30 just to see how many extra years the world gained.

Honestly, I can not explain it SIMPLER. Even my cat understands it by now...

 

[Buffalo Roam]

You tell me? your the one who claims it to be absolutely biotic.

Tell me is water biotic? take any sample of water and you will find biotic markers in it.

But water is abiotic, H2O, one hydrogen molecule, 2 oxygen, but pass it through a aquifer and it picks up biotic markers.

The same thing happens when you pass water through ground coffee, it picks up the genetic markers of the coffee.

The reason that petroleum lends itself to such a variety of uses is that it has a very complex chemical structure. Crude oil is a blend of many different compounds - sometimes thousands of them - and the actual compounds present and their proportions vary widely from one crude oil to another. Thus, the lightweight, sweet crude oil produced in the western Gulf of Mexico is made of different stuff and has different properties and capabilities than the heavier, more sour petroleum produced in Alberta. However, all crude oil is made of the same types of compounds. It is almost entirely made up of hydrocarbons, which are molecules which contain only hydrogen and carbon. The simplest hydrocarbon is methane (CH4), but crude oil is generally made from hydrocarbons with more than 5 carbon atoms. While the actual compounds present in crude oil defy listing, we can classify them into groups and describe the oil by the proportions of these groups present.

Hydrocarbon, Hydrogen and Carbon


car·bon Audio Help (kär'bən) Pronunciation Key
n.
Symbol C A

naturally abundant nonmetallic element that occurs in many inorganic and in all organic compounds

, exists freely as graphite and diamond and as a constituent of coal, limestone, and petroleum, and is capable of chemical self-bonding to form an enormous number of chemically, biologically, and commercially important molecules. Atomic number 6; atomic weight 12.011; sublimation point above 3,500°C; boiling point 4,827°C; specific gravity of amorphous carbon 1.8 to 2.1, of diamond 3.15 to 3.53, of graphite 1.9 to 2.3; valence 2, 3, 4. See Table at element.

hydrogen

noun
a nonmetallic univalent element that is normally a colorless and odorless highly flammable diatomic gas; the simplest and lightest and most abundant element in the universe

 

[Enmos]

You tell me? your the one who claims it to be absolutely biotic.

Tell me is water biotic? take any sample of water and you will find biotic markers in it.

But water is abiotic, H2O, one hydrogen molecule, 2 oxygen, but pass it through a aquifer and it picks up biotic markers.

The same thing happens when you pass water through ground coffee, it picks up the genetic markers of the coffee.

The reason that petroleum lends itself to such a variety of uses is that it has a very complex chemical structure. Crude oil is a blend of many different compounds - sometimes thousands of them - and the actual compounds present and their proportions vary widely from one crude oil to another. Thus, the lightweight, sweet crude oil produced in the western Gulf of Mexico is made of different stuff and has different properties and capabilities than the heavier, more sour petroleum produced in Alberta. However, all crude oil is made of the same types of compounds. It is almost entirely made up of hydrocarbons, which are molecules which contain only hydrogen and carbon. The simplest hydrocarbon is methane (CH4), but crude oil is generally made from hydrocarbons with more than 5 carbon atoms. While the actual compounds present in crude oil defy listing, we can classify them into groups and describe the oil by the proportions of these groups present.

Hydrocarbon, Hydrogen and Carbon


car·bon Audio Help (kär'bən) Pronunciation Key
n.
Symbol C A , exists freely as graphite and diamond and as a constituent of coal, limestone, and petroleum, and is capable of chemical self-bonding to form an enormous number of chemically, biologically, and commercially important molecules. Atomic number 6; atomic weight 12.011; sublimation point above 3,500°C; boiling point 4,827°C; specific gravity of amorphous carbon 1.8 to 2.1, of diamond 3.15 to 3.53, of graphite 1.9 to 2.3; valence 2, 3, 4. See Table at element.

hydrogen

noun
a nonmetallic univalent element that is normally a colorless and odorless highly flammable diatomic gas; the simplest and lightest and most abundant element in the universe

Excuse me ?
I never claimed any such thing. You made a claim, provide evidence.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Wtf ? How do you propose it came to be ?

If the biotic theory is true and the abiotic theory is false, then just how much zooplankton and phytoplankton would have to have existed in the atmosphere of Saturn's moon Titan? And if heat and pressure are required, how did all that liquid hydrocarbon get produced on Titan where the temperature can be -183º Celsius?

 

[Enmos]

If the biotic theory is true and the abiotic theory is false, then just how much zooplankton and phytoplankton would have to have existed in the atmosphere of Saturn's moon Titan? And if heat and pressure are required, how did all that liquid hydrocarbon get produced on Titan where the temperature can be -183º Celsius?

Methane is not oil, far from it.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Excuse me ?
I never claimed any such thing. You made a claim, provide evidence.

So you can't back up you claim?

As for me, I just put forward the information of oil being Abiotic, and it seems to me to have a lot of valid points, as for biotic oil I do agree that it exist, (coal oil is definitely biotic in nature), but not in enough quantity to explain the amount and frequence found in the world today.

 

[Enmos]

So you can't back up you claim?

As for me, I just put forward the information of oil being Abiotic, and it seems to me to have a lot of valid points, as for biotic oil I do agree that it exist, (coal oil is definitely biotic in nature), but not in enough quantity to explain the amount and frequence found in the world today.

I never made the claim..

You didn't put up any evidence at all :bugeye:

 

[Buffalo Roam]

"The problem of arguing with ignoramuses, that they won't understand the simplest things and their math is worse than a 3rd grader."

I love it when liberals are on the loseing end of a debate, they resorte to calling names.

It is irrelevant, because the world uses oil from other sources. That math is good just to show how little we discover nowadays, it is a hypothetical way..

Exactly, all the other sources, now explain why Saudi Arabia is still pumping oil, if your 6 month predictions are correct.

Thanks for the list, I will use it to show you how we get only about 40 years of oil left. But first, let's divide 264 by 30. That is the number of years when SA would be sucked dry, if the world used ONLY Saudi Arabian oil. I got less than 9 years. How many you got?

You forget that this list isn't finite, new descoveries are coming in every month.

Now if your head doesn't hurt yet, let's do another math! Let's add all the numbers on the list. I did it quickly, so that is around 1220 billion barrels left.(taken at facevalue the Arabic countries' inflated numbers)

It isn't a finite number.

Now, if you divide 1220 by 30 you get about 41 years. And that is how long crude oil would last, if nothing else changes from today. Of course thing will change, but it just shows that in 4 decades we could be out of oil and MAJOR changes needed in approaching the problems. One would be not believing in fairy tales and abiotic oil.

You presume that this is a finite number, and it is not.

First, the world's oildemand growth (that is the extra oil needed every year) is FASTER than new discoveries. That means if we don't start to use alternative energy sources, we will run our of oil FASTER than 41 years.

Because we have a shortage of capasity not raw product, there was a major drop in exploration from the early 80tys till just after 2000.

So anytime when you get a hard on by reading a new discovery, first divide that number by 30 just to see how many extra years the world gained.

Your the one with the hard on from mental mastubation, just waiting for the world to go tits up.

Honestly, I can not explain it SIMPLER. Even my cat understands it by now...

Yes you made a simple explanation, for a very complex problem, to simple to cover all the factors in the equasion, it must come from talking to you cat, and expecting a intellengent reply, you really should see a shrink about that.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

I never made the claim..

You didn't put up any evidence at all :bugeye:

Then why do you say there is no abiotic oil?

When you claim there is no abiotic oil you are claiming that there is only Biotic oil.

Wtf ? How do you propose it came to be ?