Oil Doesn't Come From Dead Dinosaurs

[Billy T]

To OilIs Mastery:

Here is copy of the report I just sent on you. (First I have every made, if memory serve correctly.):

In post 55, OilIs Mastery presents a statement as if I stated it. (I did quote it.) I pointed this out to him in subsequent post and warned that I would report him if he did not appoligize. He refursed and again in post 59 stated it was from me. Please do more than warn him this time. He is misreprenenting both me and the article by Glasby of a few post earlier (why I made post 54, or 53 pointing out his cherry picking and added false , misleading statements.)

 

[OilIsMastery]

To OilIs Mastery:

Here is copy of the report I just sent on you. (First I have every made, if memory serve correctly.):

In post 55, OilIs Mastery presents a statement as if I stated it. (I did quote it.) I pointed this out to him in subsequent post and warned that I would report him if he did not appoligize. He refursed and again in post 59 stated it was from me. Please do more than warn him this time. He is misreprenenting both me and the article by Glasby of a few post earlier (why I made post 54, or 53 pointing out his cherry picking and added false , misleading statements.)

Thanks. I appreciate your work. If only you would put as much effort into learning about abiotic oil science.

 

[OilIsMastery]

to suggest what you have would mean that at just about every fissure and around just about every volcano, we should be finding oil.

Keep in mind hydrocarbons are inflammable: http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/2008/07/introduction-to-geology.html

if carbon was creating oil in the mantel then why are we not find diamonds in the oil?

We do: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/12/03/BU64021.DTL

 

[Bishadi]

Keep in mind hydrocarbons are inflammable:

then when the first oil rigs were still wood and each had a little flame on the top to let the folk at the office know it was still pumping; could you explain that little phenomenon?

and you were right they found diamonds

Like many biological molecules, the diamondoids come in right-handed and left-handed forms, so they are "the right size and shape to interact with active sites in biological molecules" to create stable compounds, he said.

ChevronTexaco researchers published a report of their successful extraction of the diamondoids in the journal Science, available now online and in four to six weeks at newsstands.

The new materials "with their fascinating and tantalizing cage structures, once again sound a siren call to the scientific community," wrote Alan Marchand, an organic chemist at the University of North Texas, in an accompanying commentary in Science.

hmmmmmm.... organically derived diamonoids....

that's a new subject to look into

Scientists at ChevronTexaco's Energy Research and Technology Co. in Richmond have been trying to extract the diamondoids for more than two years, Qureshi said. The carbon materials are a nuisance for oil companies because they clump together and clog pipes. In the end, their heat resistance was the key to isolating them. "We destroy other molecules (in crude oil) using heat treatment and these survive because they are thermally stable," Qureshi said.

The carbon materials are present in all crude oil, Qureshi said, although their concentration may vary. "In the best case, you'd have up to teaspoons of them per gallon, or cupfuls per barrel of oil," he said.

heck, they could be using them for all that abrasive technology and diamond sand paper could be extremely cheap...

i wounder why debeers is not all over this

seems like maybe the idea of how diamonds are created requiring all that 'pressure' in the mantel may not be true also...


could that mean the 2nd law is suspect?

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[OilIsMastery]

hmmmmmm.... organically derived diamonoids....

that's a new subject to look into

Don't worry. The biogenic cultists have beat you to it. According to them diamonds are made by fossils.

indicating diamondoid derivation from enzymatic ally-created lipids

Link

seems like maybe the idea of how diamonds are created requiring all that 'pressure' in the mantel may not be true also...

could that mean the 2nd law is suspect?

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LOL. Yeah diamonds come from lipids that's why they are found in kimberlite rofl.

 

[Bishadi]

Don't worry. The biogenic cultists have beat you to it. According to them diamonds are made by fossils.

i will bet the majority of all diamonds are carbon, let's go at almost 100%.... i could be wrong here but don't believe much bone matter is carbon....

well i was wrong in the sense of carbonate..... but that would mean a big oxygen release for each C atom assumed

hey who knows maybe today is a day to learn a little more than yesterday

LOL. Yeah diamonds come from lipids that's why they are found in kimberlite rofl.

have you ever read up on kimberlite?

have you ever noticed they really have no idea how the carot shape of a kimberlie pipe forms?

because like a volcano, the bigger side should be from below and not inverted
in which the kim pipes are narrow at the deepest point and wide at the top

it shouldn't be that way if the pressure is from below

i.e... see a volcano or a caldera

oil guy, you trying too hard to not see reality

 

[OilIsMastery]

i will bet the majority of all diamonds are carbon, let's go at almost 100%

Yes diamonds are pure carbon.

But they aren't alive and never have been.

Diamonds are generated under mantle conditions and no biological molecule or lipid can survive in the mantle.

"Statistical thermodynamic analysis has established clearly that hydrocarbon molecules which comprise petroleum require very high pressures for their spontaneous formation, comparable to the pressures required for the same of diamond. In that sense, hydrocarbon molecules are the high-pressure polymorphs of the reduced carbon system as is diamond of elemental carbon. Any notion which might suggest that hydrocarbon molecules spontaneously evolve in the regimes of temperature and pressure characterized by the near-surface of the Earth, which are the regimes of methane creation and hydrocarbon destruction, does not even deserve consideration." -- Emmanuil B. Chekaliuk, 1968

 

[Bishadi]

Statistical thermodynamic analysis has established


just like virial theorem and dark matter/energy


the math is wrong!


that is what i have been trying to assist you with in comprehending your errors of logic.

as much as anyone; math is how we can perfect understanding but if the math does not match the data, then the math is wrong!

ie.... we now have found oil and diamonds in oil, and not in the 'mantel'...

or from volcanic sites where we actually have a real live tube of mass coming up from the mantel, yet your data (oil/diamonds) are not there

then when we look into space we see that the galaxies turn a little different than what the math predicts

and what is the foundation to that math, plancks constant and max maintained 100% observance to the 2nd law..........

and have anyone mentioned how 'life abuses entropy'

seems no matter how you skin it, maybe there is a little weeeeee bit of rehashing to be done in what math you observe as true.

 

[OilIsMastery]

math is wrong!

At least abiotic theory uses math unlike the religion of fossil fuels.

logic

Fossil fuel theory doesn't use logic. It's a religion.

 

[Bishadi]

At least abiotic theory uses math unlike the religion of fossil fuels.

hey, i am with you on that......

effort is a good thing

Fossil fuel theory doesn't use logic. It's a religion.

fossil fuels is not a theory, that be big business

you making an argument that fossil fuels come from the mantel based on math predictions that it cannot come from anywhere above 5 miles from the surface of the earth

but they find oil well above that.

they find coal well above that

diamonds

and every hydrocarbon in use

such is exaclty what i was saying about dark matter/energy/bosons/higg/gravitons..... and the equilibriating life

the math is wrong

 

[OilIsMastery]

you making an argument that fossil fuels come from the mantel based on math predictions that it cannot come from anywhere above 5 miles from the surface of the earth

but they find oil well above that.

LOL. That is not the abiotic argument. The fossil fuel argument is that oil cannot be found below 15,000 tvd, in igneous rock, in pillow lava, in diamonds, in outer space, and on other astronomical bodies, but it is.

 

[Enmos]

LOL. That is not the abiotic argument. The fossil fuel argument is that oil cannot be found below 15,000 tvd, in igneous rock, in pillow lava, in diamonds, in outer space, and on other astronomical bodies, but it is.

Where ?

 

[OilIsMastery]

Oil companies have been drilling for oil in igneous rock since 1915 and past 15,000 feet TVD since 1938.

Oil has been found in igneous rock all over the world, in pillow lava in Mitov Czech Republic among other places, on carbonaceous meteorites, in nebulae, Titan, etc etc.

 

[Trippy]

LOL. You posted the Glasby quote.

"Formation of higher hydrocarbons in the upper layers of the Earth's crust occurs only as the result of Fischer-Tropsch-type reactions in the presence of hydrogen gas but is otherwise not possible on thermodynamic grounds." -- Geoffrey P. Glasby, 2006

Therefore biogenic theory is invalid.

Read it and weep...:bawl:

Which is why you have resorted to cherry picking, strawman fallacies, false flag fallacies, falsehoods, and citing articles that are factually inaccurate in order to support your point?

You know, I can play your game to.

"First and foremost is the fact that the mantle is too oxidizing for methane to form there in abundance. Furthermore, most volatiles including methane are transported from the mantle to the Earth’s crust in magma and not by faults as required by the theory." -Geoffrey P Glasby, 2006

Therefore, abiogenic theory is invalid.

 

[Trippy]

Yes diamonds are pure carbon.

But they aren't alive and never have been.

Diamonds are generated under mantle conditions and no biological molecule or lipid can survive in the mantle.

"Statistical thermodynamic analysis has established clearly that hydrocarbon molecules which comprise petroleum require very high pressures for their spontaneous formation, comparable to the pressures required for the same of diamond. In that sense, hydrocarbon molecules are the high-pressure polymorphs of the reduced carbon system as is diamond of elemental carbon. Any notion which might suggest that hydrocarbon molecules spontaneously evolve in the regimes of temperature and pressure characterized by the near-surface of the Earth, which are the regimes of methane creation and hydrocarbon destruction, does not even deserve consideration." -- Emmanuil B. Chekaliuk, 1968

Invalidated by the 1993 LLBL paper which I linked to elsewhere (same post I linked to Glasby).

 

[Trippy]

LOL. That is not the abiotic argument. The fossil fuel argument is that oil cannot be found below 15,000 tvd, in igneous rock, in pillow lava, in diamonds, in outer space, and on other astronomical bodies, but it is.

Most of this statement is a falsehood constructed of strawmen and false flag fallacies.

 

[Bishadi]

Where ?

well i found the oilmonkeys blog

http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/2008/06/solid-hydrocarbons-found-in-pillow-lava.html

http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/




and he even suggested

In Mitov, Czech Republic, "solid bitumin," i.e. hydrocarbons, have been directly observed in pillow lava. This can leave no doubt, save in the mind (or lack thereof) of the most dogmatic biogenic fundamentalist, that hydrocarbons have a volcanic origin. However a biogenic origin is assumed without any evidence whatsoever based upon prejudice, ignorance, and a lack of education.

and then has the gall to mention fullerene (buckeyballs)

but here is our guy

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[Billy T]

...The fossil fuel argument is that oil cannot be found below 15,000 tvd, in igneous rock, ...

NO, not true. That is your lying distortion. That WAS a problem for the fossil POV many years ago before the migration of oil was established.

Both {abiotic} theories have been overtaken by the increasingly sophisticated understanding of the modes of formation of hydrocarbon deposits in nature." - From last sentence of Glasby's Abstract (See post 54 for full abstract or link in Trippy's post below for the full article)

Part of post 48:

...Here's an article Abiogenic Origin of Hydrocarbons: An Historical Overview by Geoffrey P. Glasby that was accepted for publication in RESOURCE GEOLOGY, vol. 56, no. 1, 85–98, http://static.scribd.com/docs/j79lhbgbjbqrb.pdf...

Part of Post 54:

"... The occurrence of major oil and gas fields in crystalline basement rocks WAS also taken as confirmation of the abiogenic theory. However, this assumption predates modern theories of fluid migration in the Earth's crust. …at the time that the abiogenic theory was at its peak from the 1950s to the 1980s, it was not possible to assess the relative merits of these two theories objectively on the basis of the then existing scientific data and this only became possible with the development of much more sophisticated techniques for the analysis of the organic constituents in petroleum such as GC/MS in the 1980s. A a result, a much more detailed understanding of the pathways of organic constituents from source rocks to petroleum was established which offered convincing evidence to support the biogenic theory. ..."

Billy T’s SUMMARY:

(1) All agree Thomas Gold’s version of the abiotic origin is false.

(2) Almost all modern Russians agree ALL ABIOTIC ORIGIN THEORIES ARE FALSE but all also agree that there may be slight (<< 1%) abiotic oil and that some of the organic molecules that are precursors of life and of oil have been found in trace amount in cosmic dust and meteors.

(3) OilIsMaster is more willing to misrepresent, distort, and cherry pick than to honestly accept well established facts.

You must accept Glasby - you have quoted him several times (with false addition of your own, and great distortion of his review article.)

 

[OilIsMastery]

You must accept Glasby - you have quoted him several times

Yes. Biogenic theory is invalid because, according to Glasby, "Formation of higher hydrocarbons in the upper layers of the Earth's crust occurs only as the result of Fischer-Tropsch-type reactions in the presence of hydrogen gas but is otherwise not possible on thermodynamic grounds."

 

[Billy T]

Yes. Biogenic theory is invalid because, according to Glasby, "Formation of higher hydrocarbons in the upper layers of the Earth's crust occurs only as the result of Fischer-Tropsch-type reactions in the presence of hydrogen gas but is otherwise not possible on thermodynamic grounds."

For the third time Glasby does not say that about biologic origin. He says that about one of the two abiotic theories (T. Gold's). See details in post 54 or post 78, two back.
You still are distoring and lying.*

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*Perhaps you do not lie, but just can not read Glasby with comprehension?