i cant belive you Americans complain about the price of fuel one of you said that you thought that $1.75 was expensive for a GALLON of fuel. Now $1.75 is worth about £0.98. In the UK we pay about £0.98 for a Litre of Fuel thats $1.75 for just a Litre!!! man you people should be having a party!!!!!!!!
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Like I said, most of the price in the UK is taxes. We don't get free health care or university education.
They are. A much more expensive one than they realize.Lowke said:
Yesterday on CNN’s “late edition” Both the Republican and Democratic Senators agreed on only one thing learned about FEMS’s response to Katrina and Rita. That was to avoid the traffic jams, FEMA and other Homeland Defense agencies of government should have “stagged evacuation” plans in place to take care of national emergencies.
Probably true, if you have three days warning but, if a dirty radiological bomb goes off in US then the structural deficits produced by US's low tax on gasoline and great subsidy to Detroit (National road grid paid for by tax dollars) instead of public buses and passenger trains will be painfully clear, at least to “second-evacuation-stage” people with cars trying to leave city immediately. They must be shot!
US badly needs to at least triple gas tax, strongly tax private cars inversely proportional mpg etc. and quickly make up for years of under supporting or total neglect of public transport, if really serious about “homeland defense evacuations” or reducing global-heating storm damage, etc. AmTrack is being cut back again and many rail lines have only old freight cars etc. US is too dumb, or proud, to follow Europe etc. & Europe could improve too.
Neccesity is the mother of invention.
You would be suprised how god dam resourceful we humans can be in the final hour.
You would be suprised how god dam resourceful we humans can be in the final hour.
OK, I CAN'T take it anymore!!! The ignorance you have been expressing in this thread is just stupifying!!!
It is a simple math really. Divide the known reserves with today's usage and you get 42 years. It is pretty soon in my book...
And of course nothing changed in the last 30 years...
Quite honestly, I don't give a flying fuck about your experience. You simply can't argue, don't know the facts, and are not objective.
So just because where you drill there is oil and you have work in the industry, that should mean that everywhere else the situation is the same? Not to mention you never accounted for demand in this whole thread.
Most of your posts are from 2005, so let's update you:
We had a peak since. It might not be the real one,but CAN be. It really doesn't matter,since oilproduction will have a flat peak for years. SA's oilproduction is dying. For every new barrel discoveried we consume 4 times as much.
So put your objectivist mind and 3rd grade math together and see what conclusion you get....
It is a simple math really. Divide the known reserves with today's usage and you get 42 years. It is pretty soon in my book...
And of course nothing changed in the last 30 years...
Quite honestly, I don't give a flying fuck about your experience. You simply can't argue, don't know the facts, and are not objective.
So just because where you drill there is oil and you have work in the industry, that should mean that everywhere else the situation is the same? Not to mention you never accounted for demand in this whole thread.
Most of your posts are from 2005, so let's update you:
We had a peak since. It might not be the real one,but CAN be. It really doesn't matter,since oilproduction will have a flat peak for years. SA's oilproduction is dying. For every new barrel discoveried we consume 4 times as much.
So put your objectivist mind and 3rd grade math together and see what conclusion you get....
Sorry chum, sorry that you fell for it, you've been duped and bought the whole enchilada, now if you just go out and drill your own f*cking well in your back yard, you might just run into some oil, specially if you stay anywhere near the Oklahoma basin, Alaska virtually untouched, Louisiana's weird anbiotic oil which reproduces itself, and lets not forget Texas.
Just read a little history will ya, history in the oil industries, look at the earnings of these oil companies, since we've had a "crunch" Just recently a report came out of one of these CEO's of an oil company earning $400MILLION! in one fucking year, yea, your duped, and you believe the corporate industrialist bullshit that has been fed to you!!
*LEVY: The Iranian revolution triggered a real crisis. The protests against corruption and excessive development will encourage other OPEC countries to slow oil production. There is nothing in sight that would lead to very substantial increases in oil supplies in the immediate or even medium-term future.
ADELMAN: There is no genuine supply crisis. There was an accident, Iran. We are traveling a bumpy road, and will continue to do so as long as OPEC is in charge. There is nothing we can do to make the cartel produce more. We have handed control of world oil over to a small, noncompetitive and irresponsible group.
SAWHILL: I prefer to call it not a crisis, but a problem, arising from our growing dependence for oil on a politically unstable part of the world. We have failed to curtail imports, and in the short term we are completely at the mercy of the Middle East oil suppliers.
SAFER: There are some crude shortages, but there is no crisis of physical supply. In the longer run, there is no shortage in terms of proven reserves or potentially discoverable oil.
LICHTBLAU: We are not going to run out of oil, but we may run out of suppliers who are willing to give us more, even if it is available. Oil can be denied either for political reasons or because a country simply has no economic interest in increasing production. That is the danger.*
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920270,00.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Oct05/041005oil.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00184.htm
So you think you know more than the CEO of EXXON?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQ5wmkxMnY&mode=related&search=
Anbiotic oil?
http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/2423.html
http://www.rense.com/general63/staline.htm
It's really about the money!!
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/25/news/companies/oil_earnings/
nuf said!
Just read a little history will ya, history in the oil industries, look at the earnings of these oil companies, since we've had a "crunch" Just recently a report came out of one of these CEO's of an oil company earning $400MILLION! in one fucking year, yea, your duped, and you believe the corporate industrialist bullshit that has been fed to you!!
*LEVY: The Iranian revolution triggered a real crisis. The protests against corruption and excessive development will encourage other OPEC countries to slow oil production. There is nothing in sight that would lead to very substantial increases in oil supplies in the immediate or even medium-term future.
ADELMAN: There is no genuine supply crisis. There was an accident, Iran. We are traveling a bumpy road, and will continue to do so as long as OPEC is in charge. There is nothing we can do to make the cartel produce more. We have handed control of world oil over to a small, noncompetitive and irresponsible group.
SAWHILL: I prefer to call it not a crisis, but a problem, arising from our growing dependence for oil on a politically unstable part of the world. We have failed to curtail imports, and in the short term we are completely at the mercy of the Middle East oil suppliers.
SAFER: There are some crude shortages, but there is no crisis of physical supply. In the longer run, there is no shortage in terms of proven reserves or potentially discoverable oil.
LICHTBLAU: We are not going to run out of oil, but we may run out of suppliers who are willing to give us more, even if it is available. Oil can be denied either for political reasons or because a country simply has no economic interest in increasing production. That is the danger.*
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920270,00.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Oct05/041005oil.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00184.htm
So you think you know more than the CEO of EXXON?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQ5wmkxMnY&mode=related&search=
Anbiotic oil?
http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/2423.html
http://www.rense.com/general63/staline.htm
It's really about the money!!
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/25/news/companies/oil_earnings/
nuf said!
Syzygys they are saying that the oil isn't running out but that the cheap oil is running out and the fact is their not lying yet their doing something verry complicated that equals lying. The fact is that oil reserves are underground so nobody wreally nows how much their is and people involved standardly over estimate. + large portions that realy exist can not be accest with today's technology and even if their proberly wouldn't be economical.
Yeah, I am famous for being dupped. What you never do is look at NUMBERS. Please tell me about those Louisana weird abiotic oilfileds! How much they give? 5-10 barrels?
Do the same with the Alaskan fields and see how long it would last.
I agree we can't believe what the oilcompanies say, nevertheless there are other ways to measure oilproduction and getting data. They are not telling the truth, but for a different reason than you think...
Do the same with the Alaskan fields and see how long it would last.
I agree we can't believe what the oilcompanies say, nevertheless there are other ways to measure oilproduction and getting data. They are not telling the truth, but for a different reason than you think...
Sure...
At least :
1. I have no agenda and if data presented I can change my mind.
2. I am honest about it.
I will spell out the reason why they lie about it:
If they acknowledge (actually BP does) that peak oil is near, any responsible government should start to take ACTIONS. Now let's say you are big oil. Do you want to see conservation and changing into different energy sources? Of cour se not! Thus the lying.
Pretty simple...
I am bored, so:
I don't know who this dumbfuck is, but since oil is a finite resource, we started to run out of oil when the very first rig started to pump oil. Pretty much every oilman acknowledge that much....
Now I don't expect you to come up with any decent argument, but keep trying....
I don't know who this dumbfuck is, but since oil is a finite resource, we started to run out of oil when the very first rig started to pump oil. Pretty much every oilman acknowledge that much....
Now I don't expect you to come up with any decent argument, but keep trying....
Greetings my friends. Unfortunately for you all by the time this is read oil will be so short in supply as to render your terminal inactive. I do like you each though very much-so.. it just so happens that everyone used up all the oil on making babies and driving their cars 20 miles to a bar to get laid, thus the end of the world and possibly you too :L
The often-ridiculed idea of hydrocarbons continually welling up from the Earth's mantle to replenish depleted reservoirs is but one of many aspects of the ongoing controversy between the proponents of inorganic hydrocarbon genesis and those who espouse an organic initiation.
Still, the session marked the first time an international conference devoted to the subject of abiotic oil was featured in conjunction with a major oil industry professional group meeting.
Why did the AAPG decide to hold the Calgary session on abiotic oil? The answer is that the arguments and evidence for inorganic oil are gaining ground, despite the reluctance of conventional thinkers in the petroleum industry to entertain any idea that challenges so fundamentally their core beliefs.
A key may be found in the English version of Kitchka's professional paper, which he e-mailed to us – so many oil finds have been made in bedrock structures that "Fossil-Fuel" theorists can no longer keep the lid on. The paper Kitchka e-mailed to us is an expanded version of his Calgary presentation. Kitchka makes the point that oil has been found in basement structures all around the world:
To present time more than 450 oil and gas fields with commercial productivity of the crystalline basement are known worldwide over all continents except Antarctica.
The problem is that according to conventional "Fossil-Fuel" theory, dinosaur fossils and ancient forests are supposed to be found in sedimentary rock, not bedrock. The question of bedrock oil finds has been swept under the rug by conventional petroleum thinkers for decades. If oil is found where no dinosaurs or ancient forests ever were, then the "Fossil-Fuel" theory may end up having been a fiction all along. In more reserved, professional terms, Kitchka presents the difficulty:
There are still no valid criteria for successful oil and gas prospecting in the basement within the frame of the traditional paradigm for the origin of oil.
Evidently the secret of bedrock oil finds cannot be kept any longer. Kitchka describes oil found at bedrock levels within the deep earth as the "final frontier for oil and gas exploration."
However, rather prolific pay zones have been tested in the deep fractured entrails of some fields in West Siberia and offshore Vietnam (Cuu Long basin) where petroleum-content spreads to the depth of 1,000-1,500 meters beneath the basement surface. Thus, it is obvious that reservoir potential and reserves of the Precambrian basement had been greatly underestimated for decades. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47551
Oil unlimited?
For more than 50 years, Russian and Ukrainian scientists have successfully used the abiotic theory to find oil and natural gas. For example, the Dnieper-Donets Basin has yielded a significant amount of oil and natural gas even though it is an area that conventional biological theories reject as unpromising. A recent technical paper found that the results "confirm the scientific conclusions that the oil and natural gas found in ... the Dnieper-Donets Basin are of deep, and abiotic, origin."
As Russia has opened up since the fall of the Soviet Union and because it has become a large and growing factor in the international oil market, American scientists are becoming increasingly knowledgeable about and interested in the abiotic theory of petroleum. Recently, the National Academy of Sciences published a paper on the topic. The Gas Research Institute has financed exploration based on abiotic theories, with encouraging results. And the American Association of Petroleum Geologists has taken an interest in the subject as well. http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040608-092733-4642r.htm
BTW I learned plenty about deceptions, lies, and manipulations, working in the oil fields with my dad, we knew how to find oil, we know there's plenty of oil! I live well today because of it!
Still, the session marked the first time an international conference devoted to the subject of abiotic oil was featured in conjunction with a major oil industry professional group meeting.
Why did the AAPG decide to hold the Calgary session on abiotic oil? The answer is that the arguments and evidence for inorganic oil are gaining ground, despite the reluctance of conventional thinkers in the petroleum industry to entertain any idea that challenges so fundamentally their core beliefs.
A key may be found in the English version of Kitchka's professional paper, which he e-mailed to us – so many oil finds have been made in bedrock structures that "Fossil-Fuel" theorists can no longer keep the lid on. The paper Kitchka e-mailed to us is an expanded version of his Calgary presentation. Kitchka makes the point that oil has been found in basement structures all around the world:
To present time more than 450 oil and gas fields with commercial productivity of the crystalline basement are known worldwide over all continents except Antarctica.
The problem is that according to conventional "Fossil-Fuel" theory, dinosaur fossils and ancient forests are supposed to be found in sedimentary rock, not bedrock. The question of bedrock oil finds has been swept under the rug by conventional petroleum thinkers for decades. If oil is found where no dinosaurs or ancient forests ever were, then the "Fossil-Fuel" theory may end up having been a fiction all along. In more reserved, professional terms, Kitchka presents the difficulty:
There are still no valid criteria for successful oil and gas prospecting in the basement within the frame of the traditional paradigm for the origin of oil.
Evidently the secret of bedrock oil finds cannot be kept any longer. Kitchka describes oil found at bedrock levels within the deep earth as the "final frontier for oil and gas exploration."
However, rather prolific pay zones have been tested in the deep fractured entrails of some fields in West Siberia and offshore Vietnam (Cuu Long basin) where petroleum-content spreads to the depth of 1,000-1,500 meters beneath the basement surface. Thus, it is obvious that reservoir potential and reserves of the Precambrian basement had been greatly underestimated for decades. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47551
Oil unlimited?
For more than 50 years, Russian and Ukrainian scientists have successfully used the abiotic theory to find oil and natural gas. For example, the Dnieper-Donets Basin has yielded a significant amount of oil and natural gas even though it is an area that conventional biological theories reject as unpromising. A recent technical paper found that the results "confirm the scientific conclusions that the oil and natural gas found in ... the Dnieper-Donets Basin are of deep, and abiotic, origin."
As Russia has opened up since the fall of the Soviet Union and because it has become a large and growing factor in the international oil market, American scientists are becoming increasingly knowledgeable about and interested in the abiotic theory of petroleum. Recently, the National Academy of Sciences published a paper on the topic. The Gas Research Institute has financed exploration based on abiotic theories, with encouraging results. And the American Association of Petroleum Geologists has taken an interest in the subject as well. http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040608-092733-4642r.htm
BTW I learned plenty about deceptions, lies, and manipulations, working in the oil fields with my dad, we knew how to find oil, we know there's plenty of oil! I live well today because of it!
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