The statistics are relevant because we are drilling deeper than the deepest fossils ever discovered into igneous rock looking for oil and finding it.
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Look dude, you don't know shit about the subject, so take a beer and read this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/27/carbonemissions.energy
You are living in a dreamworld, go back where you were in the last 10 or so months...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/27/carbonemissions.energy
You are living in a dreamworld, go back where you were in the last 10 or so months...
Spoken like a true scientist...
A False Claim and your link does not even mention any such nonsense, but it does have plenty of nonsense about an a-biotic origin for oil.
You are also falsely claiming TransOcean has a ship that can drill to 40,000 feet. I almost bought some of their shares about two weeks ago (bought DRYS* & GKN instead) but did listen to their first 2008 quarterly report (20May08). They said nothing about such a ship. At their home page they have a .pdf file of slides they used so you can check that they do not have such a ship. (I downloaded the slides, but not the direct link.) Also I give a Forbes link on them with no mention there either of the ship you invented (lied about) See their home page (www.deepwater.com) - ship not there either.
Here are my merged notes from Forbes and their 20May 1st quarter report:
http://www.forbes.com/markets/compan...tml?ticker=RIG is the world’s largest offshore (and other areas) drilling contractor, with more than 50 years of experience and 21,100 employees is modern and versatile with emphasis on technically demanding segments of the offshore drilling business. Owns or operates a fleet of 138 mobile offshore drilling units (9 are Ultra-Deepwater, 30 are Deepwater and Harsh-Environment semisubmersibles and drill ships), 29 Mid-water Floaters, 10 High-Specification Jackups, 56 Standard Jackups and 4 other assets utilized in the support of offshore drilling activities plus inland drilling barges. It stands to benefit the most from the tight deepwater market as it controls 7 of the 16 ultra deepwater rigs available to market through the end 2010. ..."
Note TransOcean defines "Ultra deep water" ship as able to dill to 8,500 feet and "deep water" ship as one that can reach 7,500 feet. Brazil's PertoBras is world leader in UDW extraction and just last week hit deep oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
NOTHING YOU POST is even PLAUSIBLE. Mainly lies like the 40,000 foot drill ship. Why don't you go away again?
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*DRYS just bought Nowegian OceanRig and soon will have 4 UDW ships AVAILABLE TO LEASE (PertoBras has 80% of all the world's UDW ships undeer contract already!) DRYS plans to "spin off" to current share holders an new UDW driller that will be the only "pure play" in the UDW area. As you can see from above data, TransOcean while bigger, with 9 UDWs has less UDW ships now available and is far from a "pure play" with 129 ships that are not UDW ships. - That is why I bought DRYS instead. DRYS is main hauler of iron ore and soy to China from Brazil and quite profitable, but has a high beta as it does tend to reflect people's ideas about the global economy.
BTW, one of the UDW ships that was available recently leased for $650,000 / DAY !!! DRYS at end of 2008 will have 47 vessels with 7 new builds, and average age of 7 years, vs. 13 years for industry. DRYS now has 5 "capesize" (biggest dry bulk ship that exist >170,000 tons dead weight.) and 4 more to be delivered soon - they will mainly haul iron or and coal.
Another reason why I dedcided not to buy RIG is half their ships are "jackups"and most jackups have already left the "worked over" shallow waters of the Gulf of Mexico - not sure but think many will be used by Saudi arabia and Iran off their shores,but there seems to be a global surpluss of them now. All the new oil will be deep in old ocean beds and expensive to bring up.
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It's called an enhanced-Enterprise class drillship and it can drill in 12,000 feet of water and 40,000 feet total depth. There are 4 of them under construction which you would know if you actually read the annual report. Discoverer Clear Leader, Discoverer Americas, Discoverer Inspiration, and the yet unnamed GSF Newbuild.
http://www.marinetalk.com/articles-...nterprise-Class-Drillship-TRA042122940IN.html
http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Were_Never_Out_of_Our_Depth-140.html
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What you said in post 335 was:
"Transocean's enhanced-Enterprise class drillships will drill to 40,000 feet looking for oil."
And that is false but perhaps not an intentional lie.
As oil and natural gas are now much more valuable, many oil companies are returning to old fields and making "horizontal wells" with long total bores mainly in most cases getting natural gas. Because of some of the secondary recovery methods previously used the diffusion, near the old well bottom, is too low. Too rapid extraction can also cause less total recovery - Saudi probably damaged their field this way back when US had them pump excessively to drive oil down to $10/barrel (to punish Saddam for selling in Euros) just before the first Bush had his Gulf War. They are very secretive about their oil fields but it is impossible for them to hide that they are now drilling in coastal waters.
I think your main problem is that you take the fact that carbonate minerals when exposed to hot (under deep ocean at high pressure) water do react some to form hydrocarbons, especially CH4, to mean the much more complex molecules of petroleum were made the same way.
Actually, if some of the oil that formed from old algae, etc. mainly in the ancient oceans is sub ducted too deep from zone where this organic matter is converted into oil, it begins to "crack" into lighter fractions just as it does with man's processing (at lower pressure and higher temperature) in refineries to brake the less valuable high molecular weight components into the more desirable, lighter fractions like gasoline. This is no doubt why all deep oil, including Brazil's very recent finds, is light oil.
Thus it is hard to know how much of the methane in the sea floor hydrates is from cracked organic origin oil and how much is from natural chemical reactions between carbonate rocks and very hot sea water that seeped below the ocean floor. I think even isotope studies cannot distinguish the older carbonate carbon from the only millions of years old organic component carbon - Carbon 14 half life is just too short, so they look alike, I think, but this is out of my field.
You have never responded to my observation that all major oil deposits are in the deep sections of ancient sea beds where the organic debris accumulated and was well protected from oxygen. Most now extracted was in the arc from the field in Turkey, Iraq, Iran, on eastward thru Burma, and finally the Gulf of Tompkins which is the deepest part of the floor of the ocean that closed as the Himalayas Mountain Chain (all the way for Turkey to the region of China just hit by the big quake) were formed. I.e if facts contradict your crazy ideas you just ignore them.
I told you all this before (in post 331 and 227) but you do not have mind open to facts such as:
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DRYS closed up $8.36 (9.61%) today. Perhaps more people read my posts than I thought? Or at least the footnote in 344. Maybe not. Also today in Brazil's version of "TIME" called VEJA the following appeared:
Cost of shipping 100,000 tons of of Brazilian soy beans to China three years ago was US$30,000. Today that freight charge is $200,000. That fact plus fact DRYS is one of the main shippers (probably the largest) might have someting to do with the 9.61% tick up. :shrug:
Ocean transport, especially the big bulk carriers like DRYS, world's largest, and the Ultra Deep Water drill ships now have unbelievable day rental rates. That is part of why inflation is returning and shipyards are booked solid with orders. (In interest of full discloser, I own shares in DRYS and in GNK, world's fourth largest dry bulk cargo shipper and in GLDD, which cleans/ dredges harbor channels and rebuild storm damaged beaches etc. globally, increasingly in the Persian Gulf. So much oil money is flowing into the gulf that new "fingers of land" into the the gulf are being made and conversly, "fingers of water" are being cut into the shore so each of the new $500,000 houses has water front for the owner's yacht. Great Lakes Dredging and Drydock type of work. - Why they are moving their dredgers etc. there - that is where the money is and no-one "green" is blocking work over some sand crabs, etc. )
Or at least the footnote in 344. Maybe not. Also today in Brazil's version of "TIME" called VEJA the following appeared:Cost of shipping 100,000 tons of of Brazilian soy beans to China three years ago was US$30,000. Today that freight charge is $200,000. That fact plus fact DRYS is one of the main shippers (probably the largest) might have someting to do with the 9.61% tick up. :shrug:
Ocean transport, especially the big bulk carriers like DRYS, world's largest, and the Ultra Deep Water drill ships now have unbelievable day rental rates. That is part of why inflation is returning and shipyards are booked solid with orders. (In interest of full discloser, I own shares in DRYS and in GNK, world's fourth largest dry bulk cargo shipper and in GLDD, which cleans/ dredges harbor channels and rebuild storm damaged beaches etc. globally, increasingly in the Persian Gulf. So much oil money is flowing into the gulf that new "fingers of land" into the the gulf are being made and conversly, "fingers of water" are being cut into the shore so each of the new $500,000 houses has water front for the owner's yacht. Great Lakes Dredging and Drydock type of work. - Why they are moving their dredgers etc. there - that is where the money is and no-one "green" is blocking work over some sand crabs, etc. )
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If abiotoic oil were real, then places like death valey would be called "oil lake." Oil is only found in significant quantities where there once was a deep ocean bottom accumulating organic sediment too deep and cold* for it to be oxidized. If oil came from deep in the Earth, then it would be found at low points on land and bubbling up along all the fault lines. Hell most of California's cities would have slide out into the sea on a film of oil.
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*Water is densest at 4 degrees C. Cold polar water flows over most of the deep ocean floor, even at the equator. There is little or no disolved oxygen or life down deep, if it needs oxygen to live.
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yes, but we shouldn't point this out to peak oil deniers, they might cry fool!!!
LOL. Oil is formed by extreme temperatures and pressures, not destroyed by them. The presence of abiomarkers in oil called diamondoids which can only be formed in the mantle should be a clue for people with more than 2 braincells.
http://www.gasresources.net/energy_resources.htm
Your claim that marine sediments form oil is analogous to saying that human skin forms blood.
Oil has been found in precambrian sediments which means some oil is older than life itself.
www.sibran.ru/psb/show_text.phtml?eng+3840+9+
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why is that ? - life was around for at least 3000 million years before the cambrian
LOL. I won't bother asking you to support your claim with a link because there is no such link.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precambrian
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/3/text_pop/l_033_28.html
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/precambrian/proterolife.html
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9117440/Precambrian-time
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/geo102/precamb.htm
etc.
A small selection of the 1,000,000+ hits for "precambrian life". All of those I looked at (about thirty) noted the first evidence of life about 3.5 to 3.6 billion years ago, three billion years before the Cambrian, just as synthesiser -patel said.
FYI there is no time before the Precambrian eons because the Precambrian is the first time period. Therefore 3 billion years prior to the Precambrian is absurd.
The Earth is only 4.5 billion years old. Borrow a clue.
Of course little that OilisMastery states has any factual base and much is simply contradicted by the facts, but I want to thank you for your last reference (the one above). It is very clear, concise, well organized and illustrated with photos of the actual fossils now in museums. Although I have some prior knowledge, I learned a lot from it. Thanks again.
Three questions to OilisMastery (not that I expect any answer):
(1) If oil is made deep in the Earth a-biotically and seeps up to or near to the surface, then why is it not found almost anywhere one drills down deep?
(2) Why are most wells "dry holes" or if very deep, only find natural gas, if they find any fossil fuel?
Simple experiments show oil decomposes thermally. This fact is currently exploited in every oil refinery to convert the heavier molecules into the more valuable lighter fractions, such as octane, in a process commonly (and quite accurately ) called “cracking.” – I.e. the big molecules are cracked thermally into smaller ones. At even higher temperatures, as found deeper in the Earth, oil can be "cracked" all the way to a mix of CH4 and H2 such as may be found in very deep drill wells but this is not done in refineries as gasoline is more valuable than these gases.
(3) Why is oil only found in significant quanties where there once was a deep ocean?
I.e. In a place when tons of dead algae bodies accumulated (During the eras, millions of years, when you falsely say there was no life, despite the fossil records!) in the deep oceans.
A place where the water is very cold. (4C water is the most dense and flows even to the equator from both polar regions in these deepest parts of the ocean even today.)
A place where there is no significant amount of oxygen (or any life requiring oxygen).
This dead algae accumulated in the ocean depths where it cannot oxidize before being convected downward by motion of the tectonic plates with or without being first covered by slit when ocean flow patterns changed due to climatic changes and the fact that the locations of the land masses was slowly changing. (Brazil was once joined to Africa, near where Nigeria is today and both have off-shore oil from the ocean that opened as the separated.*)
Nothing in your a-biotic model makes any sense or explains why oil is only found where the ancient algae could accumulate without oxidation. (You do know, I hope, that Texas and all of the mid US with oil, such as Oklahoma, was once a great ocean floor. Oil is only found where the algae accumulated without oxidation.) Little if any of it is old dinosaurs. That idea arose back before it was know that the continents have been in motion opening and closing oceans, making subduction zones, throwing up mountains to compensate for their constant erosion, etc. (The existence of mountains back when most believed that Earth was made by God only 5000 years ago was not a problem, but now it is obvious that some parts of Earth are rising, and obvious that other parts are sinking - and taking the dead, un-oxidized algae down to where it is converted into oil or into natural gas if it gets so deep that the oil decomposes in the heat.)
Again I expect no answer to these three questions as that would require you to know these facts and think logically.
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*This ancient sub-duction zone has reversed and is now rising as seen in the "Mid Atlantic Ridge." This started first in the North Atlantic and made Iceland and only a couple of decades ago, the new, sterile island, called "Surdsy" or something like that (my spelling may be wrong.) Biologists are pleased as it is a natural lab showing how life colonizes sterile land.
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People don't drill down deep just anywhere because it's too expensive. If oil is made from biological detritus, how come you can't stick a toothpick in the ground anywhere and get a blowout?
Your question is based upon false principles. We don't only find natural gas when we drill deep. Tupi: 8 billion barrels of crude oil. Carioca: 33 billion barrels of crude oil.
Any idea what temperature causes oil to break apart? What's your point here?
Probably because the whole world was covered in water at one point or another.
How come you can't turn algae into crude oil in a lab? How much algae does it take to make a barrel of oil? Now it's your turn to answer questions. I'll be waiting.
Oil is not associated with algae in any way whatsover. We are drilling for oil deeper than any algae and finding it.
I answered your questions but I know you won't answer mine because you can't.
No-one has said before the precambrian fool.
I'm beginning to get the impression that your earnest belief in abiotic hypothesis stems from a complete inability to comprehend simple words and sentences
here's a free clue on me - you can keep it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geological_history_of_Earth
So why did you bring up the Cambrian Era? I said petroleum has been found in Precambrian sediments. Then you bring up the Cambrian.
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