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Please tell me about those Louisana weird abiotic oilfileds! How much they give? 5-10 barrels?
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Didn't want to seem to neglect this question, it's that I've been busy, I live in Las Vegas and have family visiting. Anyhow here it is:

HOUSTON -- Something mysterious is going on at Eugene Island 330.

Production at the oil field, deep in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Louisiana, was supposed to have declined years ago. And for a while, it behaved like any normal field: Following its 1973 discovery, Eugene Island 330's output peaked at about 15,000 barrels a day. By 1989, production had slowed to about 4,000 barrels a day.

Then suddenly -- some say almost inexplicably -- Eugene Island's fortunes reversed. The field, operated by PennzEnergy Co., is now producing 13,000 barrels a day, and probable reserves have rocketed to more than 400 million barrels from 60 million. Stranger still, scientists studying the field say the crude coming out of the pipe is of a geological age quite different from the oil that gushed 10 years ago.http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/wsj4.htm
 
Civilization as I knew it in the 1950s has already ended. We have been in a downward spiral for fifty years. The present demi-civilization will end within less than fifty years. That will not affect ALL of the users of this forum, some of whom never experienced any form of civilization.

However, the material standard of living will ALSO begin to collapse within a decade or two. I do not believe the bulk of Western humanity has any idea what is in store. Oil is only one of the resources facing depletion, but certainly one of the most important. Natural gas will be exhausted more quickly -- and that tends to be the feedstock of choice for fertilizer manufacture. Without fertilizer, cereal and other crops will face dramatic reductions in yield, at the same time that millions of acres of agricultural land are being diverted from food production to fuel (ethanol) production. Millions more will be lost to rising sea level due to global warming.

Do not fear you may simply have to stop motoring. FEAR FAMINE and STARVATION! Unsuspecting Europe, ignorant of danger, faces a much more acute problem than North America. For major food importers like Great Britain the future is almost beyond imagining. The grim reaper lurks ready to take his harvest of DEATH.
 
Godless said:
is now producing 13,000 barrels a day, and probable reserves have rocketed to more than 400 million barrels from 60 million.[/url]
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Thank you for the numbers. Now anybody who drinks this abiotic coolaid juice should keep in my the NUMBERS. Do you know how much is 13K barrels a day?

The world uses 83 or so MILLION a day, the peak was at 85 a year ago. So keep that in mind and don't even mention anything unless it is at least half million barrels per day....Will you?

Nuff said....

P.S.: And before somebody metions oilshale, we not gonna get more than 3-4 mbpd at the most productive days, most likely less.
 
Oh yeah, from Wiki:

"However, the figures given by Richard Heinberg are:

Production from Eugene Island had achieved 20,000 barrels per day by 1989; by 1992 it had slipped to 15,000 b/d, but recovered to reach a peak of 30,000 b/d in 1996. Production from the reservoir has dropped steadily since then."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Island

So poor abiotic oilfield got DEPLETED!!!!

"The source of additional oil was analyzed as migrating through faults from deeper and older formations below. The oil contains biomarkers similar to those in other oils in the area.

Eugene Island 330 is often cited as a key example of Abiogenic petroleum origin theory, which holds that petroleum reservoirs are continuously replenished from inorganic sources deep within the Earth. However it must be noted that Eugene Island 330's fame comes precisely from its status as an unusual anomaly, rather than being typical of the other 40,000 developed oil fields, and most petroleum scientists believe that the depletion profile is adequately explained by replenishment from deeper reservoirs of normal biologically derived petroleum."
 
I wasn't defeated. abiotic oil is a fact, however peak oil will continue since it takes such a long time for oil to replenish, it doesn't happen overnight. I've never stated, that oil will replace itself in a well within a few years.

All the cycles that go on in the biosphere must be closed one way or another. What goes in must, eventually, go out. The biological theory of oil formation has this condition built in. The abiotic one doesn't, but it is not an impossible model provided that the rate of abiotic oil formation is low enough to be compatible with the overall carbon cycle (that is, way too low to have any measurable effect on oil depletion). We can play with models as much as we like but, eventually, we can't escape the fundamental limits of the biosphere. The abiotic/biological controversy may be a red herring that masks the really important point: peak oil is almost upon us and we have to do something about that.
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http://www.aspoitalia.net/aspoenglish/documents/bardi/limitsofoil.htm

When Lyell went to North America he visited the famous Horseshoe Falls (Niagara Falls) and asked a native at what rate the falls were receding. The native American answered that the rate was some 3 -4 feet per year. Lyell, however, assumed that as natives of a country tend to exaggerate their country’s facts then the quoted rate was too high and arbitrarily reduced it to 1 foot per year, subsequently establishing the date of the last ice-age at some 10,000 years past.

Is this relevant to abiotic oil? Yes because it demonstrates how the empirically obvious is changed by persuasive argument. Much of geology relies on the Lyellian system of persuasian and biogenic oil theory is no exception.

The paramount axiom in geology is that the key to the past is the present. Which means that what we observe, and have observed, of natural forces operating on the surface of the planet, in a geological sense, must explain the past. If the key to the past is indeed the present, then somewhere on the surface of the earth there must exist modern day precursors of the ancient coal seams and petroleum deposits -- accumulations of vegetable and organic masses in sedimentary basins, pre-fossil deposits as it were -- to produce tomorrow’s coal and oil.

It is generally assumed that the Pacific Ocean is of Jurassic age but no widespread accumulations of organic detritus have been found on the seafloor or in its thin sedimentary cover, and equally so for the other seas over the earth. Nor are there any enormous ever increasing accumulations of organic material on the land surfaces comprising dead animals or forests. Of course a minor amount of organic detritus does accumulate in the existing sediments today, but not at sufficient quantities to allow the interpretation that one day in the future oil will be produced from them. How could so much oil be produced from so few organisms?
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http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/001717.html


But truthfully I'm being skeptical of abiotic oil, yet I don't discarded as complete garbage being that if it where only organic, we should have run out by now. See above.

A good source of info on peak oil.
http://www.peak-oil-crisis.com/
 
I love how Syzygys keeps saying stuff like "Nuff said", "Period", "End of discussion", etc... The dude is awfully insecure about his opinions, isn't he?

In every thread I see him reacting violently to anyone who dares disagree with him. And those of us that make him look like the moron that he is, we go straight to his Ignore List.

My guess is that he is 19, just started his second year of college, and with a little bit of information he now feels like he knows everything. *sigh* Hopefully he will grow out of it.
 
swivel said:
...In every thread I see him reacting violently to anyone who dares disagree with him. And those of us that make him look like the moron that he is, we go straight to his Ignore List.
My guess is that he is 19, just started his second year of college, and with a little bit of information he now feels like he knows everything. *sigh* Hopefully he will grow out of it.
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Interesting reading, in view of your four separate posts (in another thread) attacking me personally, questioning my motive, stating I hate America etc. instead of commenting on my points, and then you complaining that I once mentioned your age, which you had already given.

Pots really do call kettles black don't they?
 
Peak oil, peak oil, the world will end now, we are running out of fuel!!

The scare tactics of those who don't think with their brains but their emotions!

Elsewhere in the world, they have thought of ways to have plenty of alternative fuel sources, one that would put most oil companies out of business!

http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKM4pb9Oxrg
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-813727532577660991&q=water+car&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa1meqFFjjM
Anyone speak Japanese?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1OWDcWoXHs

Daniel Dingel's Toyota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klDlEVkZh0A

Can all this be bullshit? or are they really running cars on tap water?

Don't throw away that used cooking oil!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=457773184300286737&q=biodiesel
 
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I hate to engage in debate with people who can't practice at least 3rd grade math.

Godless said:
being that if it where only organic, we should have run out by now. [/url]
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And you arrived to that conclusion just how exactly??? There is/was a shitload of oil in the ground and we started to pump it out. As long as the speed of pumping out is 1000 times or more faster than the time it takes to replace, it doesn't really matter what the origin of oil is...
 
Godless said:
Peak oil, peak oil, the world will end now, we are running out of fuel!!

Elsewhere in the world, they have thought of ways to have plenty of alternative fuel sources,
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Guess what! We also going to run out of coal, gold, diamond and pretty much everything finite resource. Thus the nature of the beast...

The funny thing is that when a peak oil denier mentions alternative resources, they actually acknowledge peak oil. Otherwise why the fuck do we need alternatives??? :)

Now since there is nothing new or interesting you could say, we going to say goodbye to each other here...

This thread already contains all the info one needs to make up his mind...
 
Don't let the door hit you on the ass!

Guess what! We also going to run out of coal, gold, diamond and pretty much everything finite resource. Thus the nature of the beast...
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Well we are not running out of bullets any time soon, use it and get yourself out before we do start running out of fuel, gold, water, air, life, sex, whatever ails your pathetic ass!! Just one bullet on the head will take you out of your misery!
 
I'll be honest with you I don't understand all the tech behind it, but can you afford four ounces of water?
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8115/

But then again, can you afford some air?
http://www.theaircar.com/thecar.html

What I'm trying to demonstrate is that oil is not the only fuel source, imaginative people doing wild things for fuel. Perhaps oil peak will revolutionize industries to really look at alternatives. Once one is not dependent on oil, oil companies will either go belly, or gas prices will drop ridiculous low compared to today.

Algae for fuel?
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1590/is_13_56/ai_61934339
 
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Godless said:
Don't let the door hit you on the ass!
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I take it as your ultimate defeat... :bugeye:

You know it takes a man to acknowledge when he is wrong...

Anyway, I am going out and drink a little abiotic beer....
 
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