NPI Analysis: Abolish Affirmative Action

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

Exactly madanthonywayne. The playing field will never be level....people will never be objective, there will always be prejudices, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Short-term racism will not fix that.

 

[S.A.M.]

It's interesting how uncomfortable the notion of a little deprivation is. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have educated, working and contributing minorities than uneducated uncontributing ones.

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

I'd rather have....none.

 

[S.A.M.]

I'd rather have....none.

That's your choice, but given that you do have them, would you rather have them working or unemployed?

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

I'd rather have them working, but I'd rather see an indigenous person getting that job first.

 

[S.A.M.]

I'd rather see them working, but I'd rather see an indigenous person getting that job first.

Even if he is less qualified and efficient?

If your car broke down, what would determine your choice of mechanic: ability to do the job well or the color of skin?

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

Well of course not....but for that you don't need affirmative action.

edit: lol, with that second line you just added you are arguing against affirmative action!

So, I shall put it to you:

If your car broke down, what would determine your choice of mechanic: ability to do the job well or the color of skin?

 

[S.A.M.]

Well of course not....but for that you don't need affirmative action.

Only when job applications are screened strictly on merit.

 

[S.A.M.]

In fact, just going by your responses, you'd be far more likely to hire a white man than any other, simply because he's white.

Tell me do you differentiate between English and non-English whites?

Or is it just non-whites from whites?

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

The origins of most white people in the UK are a bit of a mystery these days.

I'd only differentiate between indigenous Europeans and....everyone else.

It's not about black vs. white, it's about indigenous vs. non-indigenous.

Bearing in mind that this hypothetical situation would be set after I'd closed all the gates to more foreigners coming into my country, I'd make sure my country was as meritocritous (is that even a word?) as possible. That's if I haven't decided to send them all off to some tiny island somewhere.

 

[S.A.M.]

The origins of most white people in the UK are a bit of a mystery these days.

I'd only differentiate between indigenous Europeans and....everyone else.

It's not about black vs. white, it's about indigenous vs. non-indigenous.

Bearing in mind that this hypothetical situation would be set after I'd closed all the gates to more foreigners coming into my country, I'd make sure my country was as meritocritous (is that even a word?) as possible. That's if I haven't decided to send them all off to some tiny island somewhere.

It is strange to hear an Englishman talk like that. Most Britishers I've met have been less insular. In fact, most Britishers I've met I've had a lot in common with, what with India and colonialism and cricket and curry. Guess it takes all kinds.

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

I am not an englishman though....I am Scottish.

I hate cricket and I hate curry. I, unlike most British people, do not have the desire to stuff my gut full of irritants.

 

[S.A.M.]

Well that certainly is a first!

 

[S.A.M.]

I, on the other hand, believe that the only way to combat multculturalism is to have more of it. It will take a bit of bumping into each other but eventually we'll all get mixed up pretty nice. The more I meet people from different parts of the world, the more I've come to realise that there are more differences in our minds than in reality. Mixing with people from different cultures keeps us from de-humanizing them, makes them real rather than parodies based on our idea of their culture. That, IMO, is the only way we can get along.

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

Well, in the UK at least, it seems that more the cultures mix the more we realise how incompatible we are. Here, there is an increasing view that multiculturalism is a failure. As each new moronic law is passed to protect the immigrants and punish the indigenous population, opinion turns against the politicians who are pushing this kind of shit on us.

 

[S.A.M.]

You've probably had a lot of people coming in during a short period; plus there's a lot of stuff happening world wide that's causing restlessness and tensions.

I'm pretty sure these impressions are related to the last few years. Or am I wrong?

 

[S.A.M.]

As each new moronic law is passed to protect the immigrants and punish the indigenous population, opinion turns against the politicians who are pushing this kind of shit on us.

What kind of laws?

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

"hate crime" laws and such that seem to apply to one ethnic group and not another.

 

[S.A.M.]

Have ther been a lot of hate crimes in both directions? (I'm assuming Muslims here, apropos the 9/11 stuff)

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

Well the way it goes is this:

black on white crime - treated as normal crime
asian on white crime - treated as normal crime
muslim on white crime - treated as normal crime
white on anything else crime - treated as racial hatred