News From Gaza

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One important fact not to be overlooked: the occupation.

It began in 1917, when some Jews "decided" they wanted a nation in Palestinian/Arab country, one that would be a Jewish state that by definition demands displacement of the inhabitants.

A demographic concern that will never be alleviated:

The Palestinian population in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem has grown 30 percent over the past decade, a census found.

The Palestinian Authority's Central Bureau of Statistics, having completed its first census in a decade, announced Saturday that the Palestinian population stands at 3.76 million, up from 2.89 million in 1997.

The figures could bolster Palestinian Authority demands for Israel, which quit Gaza in 2005, to cede large parts of the West Bank and even east Jerusalem under peace talks that were revived in November.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, like his predecessor Ariel Sharon, argues that a growing Palestinian population in the territories, as well as a relatively high birth-rate among Israel's Arab citizens, poses a "demographic threat" to the Jewish state. The answer to this threat, Olmert says, is a Palestinian state.
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Level the Gaza neighborhoods!

Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit suggested obliterating a Gaza neighborhood in response to Saturday's Qassam fire on Sderot, saying "any other country would have already gone in and level the area, which is exactly what I think the IDF should do – decide on a neighborhood in Gaza and level it."
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3504922,00.html

Apparently cutting off access to food, fuel and destroying the economy wasn't sufficient.

Israel is testing the world to see how far it can go.

Not to mention:


"we`ll shut off the electricity in Gaza and they can choke inside there."-Housing and Construction Minister Ze'ev Boim

:bravo::bravo::bravo:

Only 1.5 million people there, all non-Jewish, hardly worth a comment or headline.

Now imagine if someone was saying that about Israelis and it would have hit the headlines in all western news media.
 
It's ridiculous how something of this magnitude isn't plastered all over the news. How barbaric can this occupation get? Israel should be burned to the ground.
 
Kadark said:
It's ridiculous how something of this magnitude isn't plastered all over the news. How barbaric can this occupation get? Israel should be burned to the ground.
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I would have liked to make it a new thread, but Gaza has been consigned to the Trash.

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The Palestinian people shouldn't put up with this. Although, they shouldn't target Israeli civilians either, they need to put themselves above the Israeli barbarians.
Revolution is possible if only all Palestinians united and fought back for their lands, and certainly her neighbors shall help her.
 
Kadark: "I don't like the idea of keeping all israel-Palestine issues to one thread. Besides, stickies tend to get little attention."

This can be an educational ghetto. I think our local zionists should have all their posting confined here in SciGaza for some time, while they are all placed on Ignore by the rest of us. Now and then, all the rest of us can come zooming over the wall to utterly wreck their arguments. Then we'll confine and ignore them some more, maybe figure out how to spoil their internet access, if not electricity.

I'm kidding of course: No Jews in ze ghettos. No, I mean welcome, Jews... oh shit, mods please don't ba
 
Baraks moving in with the military offensive.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said on Monday that he has instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for a possible wide-scale operation in the Gaza Strip in response to the ongoing Qassam rocket attacks from the coastal territory.
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Nice going. Blockaded since last June, subjected to a lockdown for food, fuel, medical care and electricity and now this. Nothing like a captive poorly armed audience to practice your military skills with hitech weapons.

Interesting also the Israeli mentality that Israeli injuries warrant a military incursion, while Palestinian deaths and losses warrant nothing.

"IDF operations are continuing day and night and will even be expanded," hen told committee members.

The defense minister said that in recent days, the IDF has killed 61 Palestinian militants. He added that over the last four months, 200 militants have been killed by Israeli fire.
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How nice of the Palestinians to identify themselves as militants for the Israeli raids. Its not like they were under occupation which they had a right to resist. :rolleyes:
 
It began in 1917, when some Jews "decided" they wanted a nation in Palestinian/Arab country, one that would be a Jewish state that by definition demands displacement of the inhabitants.





There are 51 nations which are "muslim" by definition. Did they displace their non-muslim inhabitants? Most mainstream zionists thinkers saw a future Jewish state as a state whos non-jewish minorities will receive full civil rights. This is more than I can say for non-muslim minority rights in muslim countries... but this wouldnt interest you, now would it, sam?
 
Axes said:
It began in 1917, when some Jews "decided" they wanted a nation in Palestinian/Arab country, one that would be a Jewish state that by definition demands displacement of the inhabitants.





There are 51 nations which are "muslim" by definition. Did they displace their non-muslim inhabitants? Most mainstream zionists thinkers saw a future Jewish state as a state whos non-jewish minorities will receive full civil rights. This is more than I can say for non-muslim minority rights in muslim countries... but this wouldnt interest you, now would it, sam?
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How many of them have reservations housing nonMuslims? Attack them daily with high tech weaponry? Restrict access to food, fuel, electricity, medical care, employment and education? Use tanks and bulldozers on their homes and orchards? Snipers on their children?
 
So, for the sake of argument, Israel abandonds Gaza, it becomes it's own state, then militants fire rockets into Israel, and the Gaza police can't stop it. Would Israel be justified in invading?
 
Depends, are the Gazans to have freedom of movement? Is their land, water and air space theirs to govern? Can they build generators without fear of being raided? Will the IDF stay out of Gaza and respect it as a sovereign territory that will be defended against if they enter? Can Palestinains enter and leave Gaza without hindrance? Can they build a military for self defense?

You see the previous "abandonment" of Gaza failed to consider any of the above, so I'm wondering how the Israelis define it. What they say and what they do appears to be two very different animals.
 
For the sake of argument, yes to all your questions, and the rockets continue because some Palestinians object to the existence of Israel.
 
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For the sake of argument, yes to all your questions, and the rockets continue because some Palestinians object to the existence of Israel.
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Then the UN should step in. Israel is hardly unbiased and bombs countries preemptively or for two soldiers.

It is also why a two state solution will never work. A one state is at present, the ONLY solution.

Otherwise they will be doing this forever.
 
Sam

You are backtracking AGAIN and evading my answer. You originally claimed that the concept of a "jewish state" directly means the eviction of all minorities, or it cant be a jewish state. I gave you examples of 51 muslim nations who have minorities living in them (allthough probably with less rights than arab-israeli's). So please tell me how the jewish religion is different?
 
Axes said:
Sam

You are backtracking AGAIN and evading my answer. You originally claimed that the concept of a "jewish state" directly means the eviction of all minorities, or it cant be a jewish state. I gave you examples of 51 muslim nations who have minorities living in them (allthough probably with less rights than arab-israeli's). So please tell me how the jewish religion is different?
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Because they want to build a nation on a populated place? You do realise the major problem of Israel has been what to do with the Palestinians who live there?
 
No, sam, you are evading my point yet again. Policies and history are irrelevant because you were speaking of concept. You claimed that the "concept" of a jewish state directly means the eviction of its minorities. There are examples of over 50 muslim and 30 Christian countries in the world, all have minorities in them.
 
Axes said:
No, sam, you are evading my point yet again. Policies and history are irrelevant because you were speaking of concept. You claimed that the "concept" of a jewish state directly means the eviction of its minorities. There are examples of over 50 muslim and 30 Christian countries in the world, all have minorities in them.
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Then explain to me why 5 million Israelis and 4 million Palestinians are distributed as they are in the last map.

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