News From Gaza
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In that case maybe they would share their peaceful weapons with the Palestinians?
Buffalo Roam
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The Palestinians aren't intrested in Peace....ful weapons.
So Zionism is secular and asking to remove religious discrimination is an evil concept?
If the situation were reversed EXACTLY what would you think?
They hired a few rocket scientists. Not exactly the picture you're presenting.
Interesting point.
Haw! That wasn't the case 80 years ago. In fact, reality is the exact opposite of your scenario. Any religious minority in an islamic country knows this.
And when the apartheid is an integral part of the dominant religion? What then? It's been 1400 years without real reconciliation. Reconciliation would appear to have little to do with it; nor is the absence of separation any guarantor of peace, either immediate or eventual. Except the peace of the grave or abject subjugation, I suppose.
In my experience of our debates, it appears to depend. When I ask for it, your response suggests that it is, in fact, evil, although it would appear obviously a good thing.
So is genetic disfunction.
Just ask the Palestinians: Poster children, all.
Hmm. Muslims all. What's up with that?
OK, some token Christian representation in amongst them.
Do the math.
So, you support the Nazi Holocaust? Eugenics is the way?
aint that funny. SAM is is criticizing others for the holocaust. :roflmao:
You were implying a bit more than running intelligence cells. As for those cells: nothing surprising in that. What intelligence agency wouldn't have done the same?
Buffalo Roam
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S.A.M. conveniently forgets about Operation ODESSA, that is the popular name but it was the routes to and through Egypt and the Middle East through which the Nazis escaped Nuremburg.
Nazi War Criminals in the Middle East? - Associated Content
May 31, 2007 ... ODESSA was a secret group that provided escape routes for Nazi ... After World War II, Egypt offered refuge for hundreds of fleeing Nazis. ...
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/262391/nazi_war_criminals_in_the_middle_east.html
Numerous former SS officers held key positions in the secret service and political police in Egypt. These included:
Joachim Däumling, former Gestapo chief in Düsseldorf, and later engaged in SS operations in Croatia. He was employed to set up the Egyptian secret service along the lines of the SS Reichssicherheitshauptamt (Himmler's Reich Security Main Office); he was helped by the former Gestapo chief of Warsaw who organised the security police.
SS General Oskar Dirlewanger, chief of the infamous SS penal brigade;
SS Major Eugen Eichberger, battalion-commander in the Dirlewanger brigade;
SS Colonel Leopold Gleim, chief of the Gestapo department for Jewish affairs in Poland;
SS Lieutenant Colonel Bernhard Bender, Gestapo official in Poland the USSR, whose knowledge of Yiddish enabled him to penetrate Jewish underground organisations;
SS General Heinrich Selimann, Gestapo chief in Ulm;
SS Major Schmalstich, Gestapo liaison officer to French collaborationists and organizer of Jewish transports from Paris to Auschwitz;
SS Major Seipal, Gestapo official in Paris;
SS General Alois Moser, a war criminal who was involved in the extermination of the Soviet Jews in the Ukraine;
SS officer Johannes von Leers (1902-1963), who had been responsible for anti-Semitic campaigns at Goebbels' propaganda ministry;
SS officer, Alois Brunner, who had held senior position in Adolph Eichmann's "Jewish Department", and is now believed to be living under the protection of the Syrian secret police in Damascus;
SS Major Walter Bollman, Nazi espionage chief in Britain before the war, and also involved in crimes against humanity and genocide against the Jews of the Ukraine;
SS official Louis Heiden, who was transferred to the Egyptian press office during the war;
Franz Bartel, and "old fighter" in the early days of the NSDAP in Germany, and Gestapo officer;
Walter Birgal, an SS officer from Leipzig;
Erich Bunz, a former SA major and expert in the "Jewish Question";
Albert Thielemann, a regional SS chief in Bohemia;
SS Captain Wilhelm Böckler, a war criminal who had precipitated in the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto;
Wehrmacht General Wilhelm Fahrmbacher, who took over the central planning staff in Cairo . . . .
Added to this were a number of former Nazi officials and sixty military experts, mostly former Waffen-SS men, who assisted in the training of the Egyptian army. Several of them were also linked in 1958 with the then Algerian government-in-exile. At least 200 German and Austrian scientists and other personnel were deployed in the new aircraft and missile centre at Helwan, where new staff physician was Dr. Hanns Eisele, SS Captain and medical torturer in the death camp at Buchenwald. Goodrick-Clarke says that President Gamal Abdel Nasser was "well disposed" towards the Nazis, all the more because they wished to take part in the destruction of Israel. The presence of so many Nazi's in Egypt under the Nasser regime was exposed in the world press in October 1962, and precipitated a crisis in the Israeli government (who had ordered MOSSAD to make try and kill several of the Nazi's), and embarrassment in West Germany, over the exposure of postwar Nazi collaboration with the Nasser regime.
Not surprisingly, the few remaining Egyptian Jews fled. From population of 75,000 Jews in 1948, by 1974 only 350 remained. In 1956, 4000 Jews were expelled, after being forced to renounce all property rights and financial claims. In 1957, all Egyptian Jews not in "continuous residence" since 1900 were deprived of citizenship. In 1960, many synagogues were closed down, along with Jewish orphanages, schools, hospitals and old peoples homes; and in 1967, all Jews in official positions were dismissed, with many more tortured and expelled.
Nazi War Criminals in the Middle East? - Associated Content
May 31, 2007 ... ODESSA was a secret group that provided escape routes for Nazi ... After World War II, Egypt offered refuge for hundreds of fleeing Nazis. ...
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/262391/nazi_war_criminals_in_the_middle_east.html
Numerous former SS officers held key positions in the secret service and political police in Egypt. These included:
Joachim Däumling, former Gestapo chief in Düsseldorf, and later engaged in SS operations in Croatia. He was employed to set up the Egyptian secret service along the lines of the SS Reichssicherheitshauptamt (Himmler's Reich Security Main Office); he was helped by the former Gestapo chief of Warsaw who organised the security police.
SS General Oskar Dirlewanger, chief of the infamous SS penal brigade;
SS Major Eugen Eichberger, battalion-commander in the Dirlewanger brigade;
SS Colonel Leopold Gleim, chief of the Gestapo department for Jewish affairs in Poland;
SS Lieutenant Colonel Bernhard Bender, Gestapo official in Poland the USSR, whose knowledge of Yiddish enabled him to penetrate Jewish underground organisations;
SS General Heinrich Selimann, Gestapo chief in Ulm;
SS Major Schmalstich, Gestapo liaison officer to French collaborationists and organizer of Jewish transports from Paris to Auschwitz;
SS Major Seipal, Gestapo official in Paris;
SS General Alois Moser, a war criminal who was involved in the extermination of the Soviet Jews in the Ukraine;
SS officer Johannes von Leers (1902-1963), who had been responsible for anti-Semitic campaigns at Goebbels' propaganda ministry;
SS officer, Alois Brunner, who had held senior position in Adolph Eichmann's "Jewish Department", and is now believed to be living under the protection of the Syrian secret police in Damascus;
SS Major Walter Bollman, Nazi espionage chief in Britain before the war, and also involved in crimes against humanity and genocide against the Jews of the Ukraine;
SS official Louis Heiden, who was transferred to the Egyptian press office during the war;
Franz Bartel, and "old fighter" in the early days of the NSDAP in Germany, and Gestapo officer;
Walter Birgal, an SS officer from Leipzig;
Erich Bunz, a former SA major and expert in the "Jewish Question";
Albert Thielemann, a regional SS chief in Bohemia;
SS Captain Wilhelm Böckler, a war criminal who had precipitated in the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto;
Wehrmacht General Wilhelm Fahrmbacher, who took over the central planning staff in Cairo . . . .
Added to this were a number of former Nazi officials and sixty military experts, mostly former Waffen-SS men, who assisted in the training of the Egyptian army. Several of them were also linked in 1958 with the then Algerian government-in-exile. At least 200 German and Austrian scientists and other personnel were deployed in the new aircraft and missile centre at Helwan, where new staff physician was Dr. Hanns Eisele, SS Captain and medical torturer in the death camp at Buchenwald. Goodrick-Clarke says that President Gamal Abdel Nasser was "well disposed" towards the Nazis, all the more because they wished to take part in the destruction of Israel. The presence of so many Nazi's in Egypt under the Nasser regime was exposed in the world press in October 1962, and precipitated a crisis in the Israeli government (who had ordered MOSSAD to make try and kill several of the Nazi's), and embarrassment in West Germany, over the exposure of postwar Nazi collaboration with the Nasser regime.
Not surprisingly, the few remaining Egyptian Jews fled. From population of 75,000 Jews in 1948, by 1974 only 350 remained. In 1956, 4000 Jews were expelled, after being forced to renounce all property rights and financial claims. In 1957, all Egyptian Jews not in "continuous residence" since 1900 were deprived of citizenship. In 1960, many synagogues were closed down, along with Jewish orphanages, schools, hospitals and old peoples homes; and in 1967, all Jews in official positions were dismissed, with many more tortured and expelled.
Buffalo Paste: "Not surprisingly, the few remaining Egyptian Jews fled. From population of 75,000 Jews in 1948, by 1974 only 350 remained. In 1956, 4000 Jews were expelled, after being forced to renounce all property rights and financial claims. In 1957, all Egyptian Jews not in "continuous residence" since 1900 were deprived of citizenship. In 1960, many synagogues were closed down, along with Jewish orphanages, schools, hospitals and old peoples homes; and in 1967, all Jews in official positions were dismissed, with many more tortured and expelled."
Surely that had nothing to do with the creation of Israel, right, BR? Did you know there were Jews thriving all over the Mideast right before there was an Israel? Hmmm, kinda makes you stop and think for a second, doesn't it?
OK, your second's up. Get back onto your zionazimurdercycle and ride.
Surely that had nothing to do with the creation of Israel, right, BR? Did you know there were Jews thriving all over the Mideast right before there was an Israel? Hmmm, kinda makes you stop and think for a second, doesn't it?
OK, your second's up. Get back onto your zionazimurdercycle and ride.
zionazi???
Zionism is the national movement of the Jews, simple as that. Just as Palestinians deserve the right of self determination seperate from other people, so do Jews. You can backtrack and twist it all you want, but I find your selective morality on national rights to be deeply hypocritical.
So the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Jews is Just and Understandible because Israel exists? In hypewaders mind, everything done by Arabs is understandable under the "circumstances", therefore legitemate. On the other hand, every Jewish action is "unprovoked".
Lets be honest here, every crime by one Party in this conflict has a previous crime by another party to attribute to it. It is not one sided, and Israeli actions were just as much a response to previous Palestinian actions. I could claim, for instance, that:
- Palestinians were evicted due to the Arab intent to destroy the Jewish state, so "legitimate". I just Hypewader'd the crime.
- The Stern gang SHOULD have been created, due to the Arab pogroms of 1920 and 1929 which were totally unprovoked. Ive just "legitimized" the Stern Gang using Hypewader methods.
This can go on and on, so stop whitewashing Arab crimes simply because it doesn't fit your world view.
In 2007 (up to 29 December), Israeli forces killed 373 Palestinians (290 in Gaza , 83 in the West Bank ), among them 53 minors. By comparison, in 2006, 657 Palestinians were killed, including 140 minors: 523 in Gaza , 134 in the West Bank .
Now that's dishonest, Sam. Many of the deaths were a result of Palestinians killing Palestinians, and a Minor can just as well be a 16 year old with an m-16, something very common in Gaza.
In 2007, about 35 percent of those killed were civilians who were not taking part in the hostilities when killed.
This statistic is starting to smell bad, since previous estimates Ive read put the number at over 12:1 militant/civilian ratio. Do you have a source for it?
Now that's dishonest, Sam. Many of the deaths were a result of Palestinians killing Palestinians, and a Minor can just as well be a 16 year old with an m-16, something very common in Gaza.
In 2007, about 35 percent of those killed were civilians who were not taking part in the hostilities when killed.
This statistic is starting to smell bad, since previous estimates Ive read put the number at over 12:1 militant/civilian ratio. Do you have a source for it?
So...Israel is created and it's now ok to expel Jews. Because the conflict has no religious basis.
Sure does make you stop and think. Some people even just stop thinking altogether.
No these are exclusively Israeli caused deaths and air raids don't distinguish between infants and teens.
B'tselem.
You can't have a national movement that discriminates against people who were already living there, for not being Jewish. Just like you can't have a national movement that discriminates against people for not being Aryan.
I always wonder, what did the Zionists think when they decided to hold their national movement? What did they think were they going to do with the Palestinians who lived in the place they wanted their Jewish nation?
Yeah some 4 million or so palestinians in their respective territories!..nothing compared to the abuse and treatment carried out on a daily basis in your own country by your own people!!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0602_030602_untouchables.html
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