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madanthonywayne said:
Well, SAM, their opinion is relevant because, unlike the Palestinians in the forties, New York is under the protection of the most powerful army in the world. So any such deal would have to be voluntary. Perhaps if the Ottomen Empire hadn't sided with the Nazi's, things might have gone differently.

Regardless, the Jews control Israel. It's there's. It has been for over half a century. You may complain that the Palestinians were there first. Well, the Jews were there before that.

Oh well, when Ahmadinejad finishes his nuke (you know, the one that the latest report says he's not making), he'll kill all the Palestinians along with any Israelis who don't get into the bomb shelters they're building now. So that should finally solve that problem!
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the ottomen empire no longer existed by ww2
 
S.A.M. said:
Because they allow the settlements to go up without resistance?

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alright, lets go with your fantasy scenario again:

1) you admit it depends on their (Palis') choice on whether to get electricity or not

2) Britney, those are not "settlements" in the sense you think of them (i suspect this will flip a switch with you and you'll go on a long anti-Semetic rant ... 3..2..1..)

3) Abbas, Fayyad and company have some common sense, which is that they'll never beat Israel militarily or with war crimes, and that it makes sense and is better for the Palis in the short, medium, and long term interests to have talks instead.

i know #2 and #3 will totally go over your head, so just stick with #1.

and TAKE THOSE DAMN MEDICINES!
it's time.
 
draqon said:
I had it with both Israelis and Palestenians ...
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no man. what you're really fed up with is a obsessive compulsive virgin troll that posts 100 posts a day and ruins any intelligent discussion with tangents and fallacies.
 
Perspective:

The shelling of Sderot continues. Numerous residents are in shock while others have been physically injured. The property of Sderot residents has been damaged, the city suffers from severe economic distress and many have already abandoned the area.

The ongoing failure of the Israeli government to assist Sderot does not stem from powerlessness, but from a cruel logic that mirrors the priorities of the Israeli political leadership. The sole happiness the government provides to Sderot in its difficult hour is schadenfreude—happiness from the suffering of others. Instead of assisting the victims, the government is creating new victims in Gaza: for every Sderot resident injured by a Qassam rocket, Israel’s military forces kill tens of Palestinians in Gaza. Does this situation provide any real comfort to the residents under attack in Sderot?

It is no wonder that the residents of Gaza elected a Hamas leadership. To date it is the sole body that has offered Gazans a way to resist the Israeli occupation. Hamas succeeded in making order on the streets of Gaza while Fatah acted as something akin to an additional arm of the Israeli government. The breaching of the border between Gaza and Egypt allowed the residents of Gaza a much needed infusion of goods and a temporary sense of freedom, and the Hamas thus gained additional points in the eyes of Gazans.

Just as Fatah disappointed the residents of Gaza, not to mention a majority of Palestinians in the West Bank, the government of Israel is disappointing the residents of the northwestern Negev. Capitulation to violent urges directed toward defenseless residents of Gaza is not a constructive response to the distress of the residents of the northwestern Negev. In actuality, the government does not have an answer to their distress.

Their comfort is instead derived from the distress of others, from the additional suffering of the Gaza residents. This comfort can only be short-lived and cannot solve the problems of Sderot and its environs. No one should be surprised, therefore, if in light of the ongoing neglect, the residents of the region will refuse to pay taxes, enlist in the military or demonstrate loyalty to the state which abandoned them, and on the backs of whom the state is waging a war of honor and ego. After the state abandoned them, they no longer owe it anything.Moreover, the fact that Israel kidnaps Palestinians and holds them for extended periods of time without trial, is actually an invitation for the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and civilians to serve as bargaining chips to gain the freedom of Palestinian political prisoners.
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To othhead:

Yeah the settlements are not just settlements. What they are is weakening the the world belief in the justice of an Israeli state.

West Bank:

Fatah rule in the West Bank has become a rule reliant on military force, as it has lost most of its legitimacy in the eyes of the Palestinian public. The regime of checkpoints, the Wall, the expansion of settlements, administrative detentions and the unceasing killing in the West Bank has clarified for the Palestinians that the Fatah does not offer them solutions. Therefore, the day is likely not far off when Qassams and perhaps even Katyusha rockets fired also from the cities of the West Bank the will begin to fall on Israel, as a desperate act of people trying to find a way out of their life of imprisonment imposed on them. If rockets begin to fall on Kfar Saba and West Jerusalem, it will no longer be possible to ignore it and look away. The government possesses no plan to prevent these aforementioned developments. On the contrary, Israeli policy continues to prove to the Palestinians that negotiations with Israel do not result in an improvement of their lives, and that only violent action is capable of influencing Israeli public opinion to notice the Palestinians.

As long as the government of Israel continues to delay and prevent negotiations, continues to expand the settlements and intentionally prevent any economic development in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, there will be no relief for the residents of the northwest Negev.
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otheadp said:
no man. what you're really fed up with is a obsessive compulsive virgin troll that posts 100 posts a day and ruins any intelligent discussion with tangents and fallacies.
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what exactly do you call this "intelligent" discussion?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Really then why do we have the largest population of Jews in the World?
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After 1950. The nazis got there immediately after WWII

Plus:

Depraved indifference, no surprises there

American and British WWII military intelligence authorities may have been aware of Adolph Hitler's "Final Solution" plan for the "eradication" of the Jews of Europe as early as 1942, according to documents just declassified under the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act of 1998.

According to a July 2, 2001 National Archives press release, by March 20, 1942, a surreptitiously obtained document appears in the files of the United States Coordinator of Information (COI), a predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency, clearly discussing the Nazi intent to eradicate European Jewry. The document is a translated copy of a dispatch filed by a Chilean diplomat on November 24, 1941.

The document sheds new light on the longstanding question of how much the Western powers knew of the Holocaust. According to Thomas H Baer, "Warnings from the allies to the Jews of Europe of a planned genocide never came. The Nazi murders depended on secrecy and subterfuge. Warnings would not have stopped the Holocaust, but they could have saved lives." Baer is a public member of the Interagency Working Group (IWG), a group that coordinates the government-wide effort to declassify federal records related to Nazi and Axis war crimes,

Another IWG member, Elizabeth Holtzman added, "This recently declassified document helps pinpoint how much officials within our government knew about the Holocaust and when they knew it. The next question is why our government--not to mention the British--did nothing in response. It is unbearable to think that plans to 'eradicate' a Jewish population were a matter of such indifference."
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spidergoat said:
That's the goal of the media war, the perception of perfectly equal injustice.
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Its not perfectly equal




Palestine?

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Israel?

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draqon said:
he's got a girlfriend, he is straight.
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OH! You know him? It could be his sister, for all we know.

Besides, I was joking. Obviously, we know nothing, except that he's tall and has nice arms.

When you look at a picture of a hot chick, do you sit and sort out all the personal details, or do you just imagine her gumming your nether-regions?

~String
 
Today in Gaza:

Hamas rejects Abbas truce offer as Israel kills 7 in Gaza

Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas offered to help negotiate a ceasefire as Israel pounded Gaza on Thursday, killing seven people days after a suicide bombing claimed by the Strip's Hamas rulers.

Hamas promptly rejected the offer, with spokesman Fawzi Barhum branding it a "blackmail attempt against the Palestinian people whom (Abbas) has left to be massacred."
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Israel rebuffs Egypt-Gaza border deployments

Israeli leaders rejected proposals to secure the Gaza Strip's breached frontier with Egypt with additional Egyptian border guards or an international force, government officials said on Wednesday.

Israel's Foreign Ministry had suggested giving the nod to Egypt to double the number of its guards at the border to 1,500. Under an Israeli-Egyptian peace agreement, the number of troops that can be deployed along the frontier is limited.

The officials said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his security cabinet, which includes his foreign and defense ministers, rebuffed the idea, as well as the deployment of any international force at the frontier.
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Israel adds more restrictions on Gaza power deliveries
Israel's move to cut energy supplies to the Gaza Strip violates the laws of war, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report published on Thursday.

Aid groups have warned that the Israeli sanctions are set to tighten on Thursday with a reduction of electricity provided to the impoverished Hamas-run territory.

"Israel's cuts of fuel and electricity to Gaza, set to escalate today, amount to collective punishment of the civilian population, and violate Israel's obligations under the laws of war," the New York-based group said.
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draqon said:
we are discussing Orleander here...am I on the right page?
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We are talking about why a state that discriminates on the basis of religion by using military force to oppress who do not recognise it as a <insert religion> state is a beacon of secular democracy.
 
S.A.M. said:
We are talking about why a state that discriminates on the basis of religion by using military force to oppress who do not recognise it as a <insert religion> state is a beacon of secular democracy.
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ummm...before you go any further, S.A.M there are hungry parentless starving poor children in Africa as well as collapsing economies in some South American countries...well why are you focusing on Israelis and Palestinians? We all know their problems will never end, lets focus on something more humanistic like starving poor parent-less hungry victims of past wars little children in Africa.

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draqon said:
ummm...before you go any further, S.A.M there are hungry parentless starving poor children in Africa as well as collapsing economies in some South American countries...well why are you focusing on Israelis and Palestinians? We all know their problems will never end, lets focus on something more humanistic like starving poor parent-less hungry victims of past wars little children in Africa.
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Sure, but problems in Africa do not negate the suffering of Palestinians.

You could start a thread on what problems you think need to be addressed in Africa and how.
 
S.A.M. said:
Sure, but problems in Africa do not negate the suffering of Palestinians.

You could start a thread on what problems you think need to be addressed in Africa and how.
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ok....back to Palestine and Israel. We all know the problems. Now what solutions do you offer?
 
S.A.M. said:
I think the Palestinians should ask Israel for citizenship. Problem solved. They won't attack each other if its all one country. Everyone is happy.

Well, almost everyone
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added to the fact that is "almost everyone" ... how are Israeli's who believe in Judaism and Palestenian's who believe in Islam supposed to get along? How are Israelis and Palestenians supposed to forget their wars, blood, hatred? answer please.
 
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