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otheadp said:
Hamas, Hizb et al. doesn't discriminate though. they bomb whoever's there without checking if they're Jews or not.
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Unlike the IDF.

Soldiers assaulted and arrested Issa ‘Amro, a B'Tselem fieldworker, in Hebron yesterday. ‘Amro was arrested while filming a disturbance by settlers in the Wadi Hsein neighborhood in East Hebron.

Yesterday evening (January 19), a group of settlers began throwing stones at a Palestinian home and trying to forcefully enter it. Although a large force of soldiers and police were present, they did nothing to protect the Palestinians and remove the settlers. Two B'Tselem workers were filming the incident from across the street, where they stood along with a number of Palestinians and international activists. The commander of the Shimshon battalion, a lieutenant colonel, came up to ‘Amro and demanded that he stop filming. A group of settler women then gathered around the B'Tselem workers and two of them tried to grab ‘Amro's camera. A number of soldiers joined in the fray, beat ‘Amro and then arrested him. They then took him to an army jeep and beat him again. Later, B'Tselem was told that ‘Amro was arrested on suspicion of attacking the soldiers.

B'Tselem says it has several video tapes documenting the incident, which prove that ‘Amro was the one assaulted by the soldiers. The organization is preparing to file complaints to the police on the assault and the false arrest.

B’Tselem notes that lately, there has been a rise in assaults by soldiers on B’Tselem workers filming violent settlers in Hebron. The assaulting soldiers usually claim that the act of filming is a provocation in itself. While government and military officials endlessly reiterate the importance of human rights organizations in Israel, this appears to be mere lip service when it comes to the attitude of security forces towards human rights defenders in Hebron. These statements appear to serve as a guise for a policy of systematically harassing human rights defenders.
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News from Israel

24 Jan 2007: Israeli Human Rights Organizations: End the Siege on Gaza

We, Israeli human rights organizations, publicly support the joint Palestinian-Israeli international campaign to end the siege on the Gaza Strip immediately.

Although the toppling of the fence at the Egyptian border temporarily eased the stranglehold, the million and a half residents of Gaza still depend almost entirely on importation of goods, fuel, and electricity through crossings controlled by Israel. There is also concern that in response to the border breakthrough, Israel will step up punitive measures against the population.

As Israeli human rights organizations, we cannot remain silent while the siege continues, bringing in its wake a humanitarian crisis.

The firing of Qassam rockets at Israeli civilian targets is criminal and abhorrent. It is Israel’s duty to defend its citizens, but collectively punishing an entire civilian population, of which most are not involved in the hostilities and over half are under 14, is illegal, improper, and immoral.

Participating organizations: The Association for Civil Rights in Israel, B'Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, Amnesty-Israel, Bimkom - Planners for Planning Rights, Gisha - Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, Hamoked: Center for the Defence of the Individual, The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Yesh Din - Volunteers for Human Rights


Awesome!

http://www.btselem.org/english/Press_Releases/20080124.asp
 
alrighty then
Hamas shouldn't complain about having no electricity in Gaza then.

renounce terrorism and start TALKING instead of WARRING... oh yea... they dont even have to do that. they get the most per-capita aid in the history of aid. more than the Tibetans or Ivory Coast-ans or Sudanese etc. etc. plus they're the darlings of the oil-rich Muslim world. why can't any of their bretheren help them out?

oh wait, why can't they themselves build powerplants?
 
S.A.M. said:
So? Are you willing to give up part of the US to China? Or Iraq?

In fact, having a Jewish state on land that belongs to Muslims, Christians and Jews is more problematic. Why not convert Jerusalem into a Vatican City for all three religions? And move Israel to the US? They'd love to live there, I'm sure. Their own Jewish state and all in the middle of their allies. I'm pretty sure the Palestinians would not mind sharing with any Jews who wanted to stay with them.

I would prefer for the Israelis to recognise the Palestinians right to return, but if they MUST have a Jewish state wouldn't it be better to have a big one, like NY state for instance? They already have a sizeable Jewsih population and the Israelis would love it there. The Americans would vacate at once, I'm sure, they have plenty of space to spare. Much bigger than the Middle East.
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I wouldn't give them New York. But we've got plenty of federal land that's completely unoccupied. They can have a chunk of that the size of Israel, no problem. I doubt they'd take the offer, though.

Have the Isaeli's ever considered buying off the Palestinians? Buy them some land in some Muslim country, a house, etc in exchange for signing away any right to return to Isreal or "Palestine" for them or their decendents? Kind of a 40 acres and a mule type deal. Surely living on your own farm in Egypt or Iraq or whatever would be preferable to living in a refugee camp?
 
otheadp said:
alrighty then
Hamas shouldn't complain about having no electricity in Gaza then.

renounce terrorism and start TALKING instead of WARRING... oh yea... they dont even have to do that. they get the most per-capita aid in the history of aid. more than the Tibetans or Ivory Coast-ans or Sudanese etc. etc. plus they're the darlings of the oil-rich Muslim world. why can't any of their bretheren help them out?

oh wait, why can't they themselves build powerplants?
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Hmm did you miss the fact that they are under occupation?

Israel blew up all but one of their generators last year.

Not to mention the import export policies

Since Hamas ousted Fatah there in the summer of 2007, the shipment of goods to the Strip has been restricted almost totally to basic foods, medicines, medical equipment, cooking gas, gasoline and electricity. Karni, the main checkpoint for transfer of goods, earlier functioned in a spotty manner, but today it is completely shut. The code for importing goods to Gaza has been deleted from the computers of Israel's Customs Authority, which (according to the Paris Protocol) is supposed to collect the tariffs. The supply of fuel (except cooking gas) has been cut (without court interference). The electricity cut has not yet been implemented, but the shortage is already severe. Electricity and water are available only intermittently. Most of the industrial plants are closed for lack of raw materials and replacement parts. Hospitals, water and sewage services have been operating for the last year and a half (since Israel blew up the power plant) by means of emergency generators. Because replacement parts are lacking, the infrastructures are running down, and there is increasing danger of disaster. A harbinger was the bursting of the cesspool wall in Um al-Nassar last year, where five people drowned in a river of sewage.
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And the "independence" of Palestinians

Gaza's economic dependence on Israel is the fruit of a deliberate policy that has been in effect for decades. Here as well as in the West Bank, Israel stymied any fledgling industry that might compete with it. It developed Gaza's dependence on it for electricity and gas. It turned the Gazans into a cheap labor force to serve Israeli industry—at first by having them commute into Israel and later by developing an industrial area at Checkpoint Erez. Israel also benefited from Gazan dependence on its products. When Karni was closed, among the loudest protestors were Israeli farmers. According to reports from the summer of 2007, about a fourth of the fruit grown in Israel was marketed in the Occupied Territories. The cut in gasoline shipments also made a dent in the income of Dor-Alon, the Israeli energy company supplying Gaza.

Yet Israel's conceptual change about Gaza is not consistent. Disengaged or not, it can't resist the temptation to exploit the Strip's resources. Parallel to the discussion on cutting energy supplies, there is another petition before the High Court that also concerns energy—but here the supply would go from Gaza to Israel. In this petition, two corporate groups are battling for an Israeli license to pump natural gas from the reservoir off Gaza's coast, a reservoir that—if Gaza belonged to a Palestinian state—would be in its territorial waters. The pumped gas is slated to become a major energy source in Israel's economy. Did the Justices happen to recall another case they are hearing, in which the State says it no longer occupies Gaza? If so, they haven't indicated this. Needless to say, no Justice cried in astonishment, "By what right do you intend to exploit the gas reserves of the Gaza Strip? This is against the provisions of international law, which forbid an occupying power from exploiting the natural resources of an occupied territory for its own use!"
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http://www.countercurrents.org/wolfson210108.htm
 
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even if your fantasy scenario is true, what's preventing them from taking care of themselves?

westbank is also "occupied", yet they have no problems with electricity or fuel. why is taht?
 
SAM u remind me of Britney Spears... get out of your fantasy world and go to rehab!!!
 
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madanthonywayne said:
I wouldn't give them New York. But we've got plenty of federal land that's completely unoccupied. They can have a chunk of that the size of Israel, no problem. I doubt they'd take the offer, though.

Have the Isaeli's ever considered buying off the Palestinians? Buy them some land in some Muslim country, a house, etc in exchange for signing away any right to return to Isreal or "Palestine" for them or their decendents? Kind of a 40 acres and a mule type deal. Surely living on your own farm in Egypt or Iraq or whatever would be preferable to living in a refugee camp?
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Nope New York would be best; they already have a Jewish community. There's lots of unoccupied land in Arabia too, but thats not important.

Could New Yorkers be given compensation in lieu of moving out? I'm sure the US would oblige its ally.

Not that their opinion is relevant, they'd just have to move out, but I'm not against some compensation if the UN is willing.
 
Nope New York would be best; they already have a Jewish community. There's lots of unoccupied land in Arabia too, but thats not important.
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There was lots of unoccupied land in Palestine too, as I recall, but there was some kind of stink about it being bought up by Jewish people. I wonder how that turned out. "Back to your Quarter, accursed Yahudi?"
 
GeoffP said:
There was lots of unoccupied land in Palestine too, as I recall, but there was some kind of stink about it being bought up by Jewish people. I wonder how that turned out. "Back to your Quarter, accursed Yahudi?"
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GeoffP is back? :D
 
S.A.M. said:
Not that their opinion is relevant, they'd just have to move out, but I'm not against some compensation if the UN is willing.
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Well, SAM, their opinion is relevant because, unlike the Palestinians in the forties, New York is under the protection of the most powerful army in the world. So any such deal would have to be voluntary. Perhaps if the Ottomen Empire hadn't sided with the Nazi's, things might have gone differently.

Regardless, the Jews control Israel. It's there's. It has been for over half a century. You may complain that the Palestinians were there first. Well, the Jews were there before that.

Oh well, when Ahmadinejad finishes his nuke (you know, the one that the latest report says he's not making), he'll kill all the Palestinians along with any Israelis who don't get into the bomb shelters they're building now. So that should finally solve that problem!
 
S.A.M. said:
Nope New York would be best; they already have a Jewish community. There's lots of unoccupied land in Arabia too, but thats not important.

Could New Yorkers be given compensation in lieu of moving out? I'm sure the US would oblige its ally.

Not that their opinion is relevant, they'd just have to move out, but I'm not against some compensation if the UN is willing.
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WTF?????

can someone get rid of this troll?
 
madanthonywayne said:
Well, SAM, their opinion is relevant because, unlike the Palestinians in the forties, New York is under the protection of the most powerful army in the world. So any such deal would have to be voluntary. Perhaps if the Ottomen Empire hadn't sided with the Nazi's, things might have gone differently.
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The US hired the Nazis after everyone knew what they had done and closed its doors to the Jews instead. They don't need an army, they'll be happy to do it. :)

Unlike the uneducated, backward Palestinians holding on to their "little" piece of land, the shining beacon of the vast USA will willingly give up its most valued NY state to its biggest ally. After all, relatively, its only a little piece of land, while for the Palestinians its almost the entire country thats been occupied.. :p

Besides there will be the added advantage of 200-300 nukes right there to defend the homeland.
 
S.A.M. said:
The US hired the Nazis after everyone knew what they had done and closed its doors to the Jews instead. They don't need an army, they'll be happy to do it. :)

Unlike the uneducated, backward Palestinians holding on to their "little" piece of land, the shining beacon of the vast USA will willingly give up its most valued NY state to its biggest ally. After all, relatively, its only a little piece of land, while for the Palestinians its almost the entire country thats been occupied.. :p

Besides there will be the added advantage of 200-300 nukes right there to defend the homeland.
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Really then why do we have the largest population of Jews in the World?

Three of the top six cities for Jewish population in the world are in the America.

Tel Aviv - Israel - 2,560,000
New York - U.S. - 1,970,000
Haifa - Israel - 655,000
Los Angeles - U.S. - 621,000
Jerusalem - Israel - 570,000
Miami - U.S. - 514,000

Explain this:

Rank.................... Country...........Jews........... % Jewish.......% of all Jews
1..........................United States.. 6,150,000........2%..................38.62%
2..........................Israel..............5,600,000........80%................35.7%

If we excluded Jews then why do we have the largest population of Jews in the world living in our country, even more than Israel?

India is only number 30, plenty of room for more Israelis.

30.........................India................15,405............0.005%...........<0.5%

S.A.M. your not checking facts.
 
SAM, the Middle East is full of Arabs, which is all the "Palestinians" are. The Middle East is also a big place.
 
Maybe we should just send a few nukes in Israel and then both Israelis and Palestenians wont want to live there.
 
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