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Ive been in these situations myself when I served in the IDF. We are not allowed to pass ANY vehicle without permission from above. There have been too many cases where humanitarian aid or even ambulances were used as a means to smuggle arms or even explosives. Hell, even 2 months ago, a Palestinian woman on her way to receive free treatment in Israel tried to smuggle explosives on herself.

The family didnt notify the coordinations office, so the soldiers couldnt let them pass. Its a tragic situation, and none of this would happen if Palestinians didnt try using those routs to infiltrate Israel's heartland and kill its civilians.
 
The Israeli Palestinian struggle is not a religious based struggle, its about land. Your claim would be tantamount to me claiming Palestinians target Israelis because they are Jews. They don't, they target Israeli's because Israel is their enemy.

And would your claim that this is all a struggle for land (which is partly true) make the Israelis entitled to the atrocities they are committing on a daily basis.

Read up on the Iranian settlement policy of its western regions. over 1 million of their arab minority has been driven out and replaced by parsi settlers.

Illustrate more on this item. It's the first time I hear such a thing, it has not been on the news either.
Regarding the Bahais I will tell you my personal opinion, they are just one of the many tools devised by the British colonialism in the last 200 years to create discord in the Islamic world (They were something like the Davidians (David Koresh) in the U.S.; Had David Koresh also the kind of support (from the enemies of the U.S. for example) as the Bahais have enjoyed since their initiation, we would see a Davidian cult as widespread as Bahais are today). Another one is wahabism. The next one is creating aritificial borders to keep nations which were once living in a brotherly manner hostile to each other...
 
Axes said:
Ive been in these situations myself when I served in the IDF. We are not allowed to pass ANY vehicle without permission from above. There have been too many cases where humanitarian aid or even ambulances were used as a means to smuggle arms or even explosives. Hell, even 2 months ago, a Palestinian woman on her way to receive free treatment in Israel tried to smuggle explosives on herself.

The family didnt notify the coordinations office, so the soldiers couldnt let them pass. Its a tragic situation, and none of this would happen if Palestinians didnt try using those routs to infiltrate Israel's heartland and kill its civilians.
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So you have also been involved in those crimes. Please do not make excuses for your crimes against humanity. Palesitinans have every right to use any possible mean to free their land and end the henious occupation of their land. These are what every patriotic human being will do by nature. Let some body dare occupy my land and I will show them their day.
 
Well, that would make you a terrorist, chuuush, congratulations. The Palestinians had no nation, but it's OK to target innocent women and children to get that 10% of the land they occupied. People like you are the biggest obstacle to peace in the region.
 
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Well, that would make you a terrorist, chuuush, congratulations.
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I won't bother myself with such badgings in a situation like that, especially when the real terrorists are covered as democrats and humaniatarins to veil their bloodstained hands.
 
That's right, you don't bother with notions of humanity, because anything is permissible when it comes to a land dispute. Let's blow up little babies because maybe those nasty Jews will leave...
 
spidergoat said:
That's right, you don't bother with notions of humanity, because anything is permissible when it comes to a land dispute. Let's blow up little babies because maybe those nasty Jews will leave...
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You are talking as if it is not the Zionists (I do not mean the jews) who are killing more children in a month than the palestinians do in a whole year (and that only because they do not possess advanced weapons which make them able to target only the soldiers). If you could stop having double standards, you would start labelling Israel as terrorists for killing innocent women and children with or without excuses, but unfortunately the eye of wisdom is blind.
 
You are saying anything is permissible for dirt. I say some things are necessary for self-defense, but you don't see Israelis trying to kill innocent people. The Palestinian fundamentalists aren't defending anything, their attacks are offensive. For them, Jewishness seems to be enough of an offense to deserve death.
 
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spidergoat said:
Well, that would make you a terrorist, chuuush, congratulations. The Palestinians had no nation, but it's OK to target innocent women and children to get that 10% of the land they occupied. People like you are the biggest obstacle to peace in the region.
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Agreed.

What's never realized - what dare not speak its name - is that the larger area is never pictured in the graphs that Sam et al use and misuse: Palestine-Jordan takes up more than 80% of the area. Israel accounts only for slightly more than the 7% population margin usually attributed to them in 1948, and I note that about a third of that or so is the eastern end of the bloody Sinai, which, to my knowledge, was a desert.
 
chuuush said:
You are talking as if it is not the Zionists (I do not mean the jews) who are killing more children in a month than the palestinians do in a whole year (and that only because they do not possess advanced weapons which make them able to target only the soldiers).
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Indeed, the eye of wisdom is quite blind, chuuush.

For example: if a furtive man sweating in a bomb vest cannot be considered the most perfect example of an intelligently guided weapon (leaving aside his philosophical perspective), then what is?
 
Axes said:
i see a blank nation as one that was created for said group. but that a nation which is/are blank was a nation rose from a group of people living there for a long time and creating a state that happened to belong to said group. the original state of isreal (the ancient one) was a nation that was jewish. the modern isreal is a jewish state. most muslim countries fall under the first term some muslim nations and modern isreal fall under the second



Muslim states fit both your criteria. Not only are they muslim demographic-wise, but that religion playes a dominant role in shaping the face of that country: In many muslim states, for instance, their flag has a crescent in it, in others, its forbidden to act in an "unislamic way". In most, non-muslims are grossly discriminated, and the head of state cannot be non-muslim. Leaving semantics behind, Israel, as a Jewish state, is no different than many christian and muslim states and its terminology as a state of a religion is hardly unique. Infact, one might argue that Israel's minorities receive far more rights than non-muslim minorities in many muslim states.
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shaping yes but not the reason for the nations creation
 
Axes said:
Ive been in these situations myself when I served in the IDF. We are not allowed to pass ANY vehicle without permission from above. There have been too many cases where humanitarian aid or even ambulances were used as a means to smuggle arms or even explosives. Hell, even 2 months ago, a Palestinian woman on her way to receive free treatment in Israel tried to smuggle explosives on herself.

The family didnt notify the coordinations office, so the soldiers couldnt let them pass. Its a tragic situation, and none of this would happen if Palestinians didnt try using those routs to infiltrate Israel's heartland and kill its civilians.
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What do you think of the "Jews only" roads?
 
GeoffP said:
Agreed.

What's never realized - what dare not speak its name - is that the larger area is never pictured in the graphs that Sam et al use and misuse: Palestine-Jordan takes up more than 80% of the area. Israel accounts only for slightly more than the 7% population margin usually attributed to them in 1948, and I note that about a third of that or so is the eastern end of the bloody Sinai, which, to my knowledge, was a desert.
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It's the thought that counts.
 
Axes said:
Actually, its "Israeli's only" road, since Arab-Israeli's can travel it too. What do I think of them? They are still wrong since they are built to protects settlements who's creation I am against.
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So why are they all over the place? And could you show me some evidence that non-Jewish Israelis are allowed to use them?

Also, I am curious to know if there is a national ID system in Israel and whether it indicates religion?





As an IDF soldier, could you tell us what is the position of teh IDF when Jewsih settlers start building on Arab land?

And if the roads are restricted to Palestinians how do they get around? Is it true it takes 3-4 hours to travel distances that should take 15-30 minutes?

Also, if the settlements are illegal, why are there Jewish only roads (are there Arab-Israeli settlers?) and bus routes established for the Israelis? Why does the IDF protect illegal settlers and fight against the landowners?
 
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Mehh....look at how beautiful Hebron used to look

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So why are they all over the place? And could you show me some evidence that non-Jewish Israelis are allowed to use them?


Evidence? All Israeli's are issued a blue ID card, reguardless of race. There is no ID card determining race, therefore all Israeli's can use those roads.

Ask yourself this: Before the Palestinians started the violence, how many of these roads and roadblocks were there?





And if the roads are restricted to Palestinians how do they get around? Is it true it takes 3-4 hours to travel distances that should take 15-30 minutes?




Sadly yes, due to the roadblocks. They tend to make life pretty uncomfortable for the average Palestinian, since they are a very harsh security measure, but, again, they are a result of the terror, not the other way around, and did not exist before 2000.




Also, if the settlements are illegal, why are there Jewish only roads (are there Arab-Israeli settlers?)



Those roads are open to all Israeli's, therefore they are not "Jewish only" roads. Your terminology implies that non-jews are not allowed to use these roadas, which is false.
 
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