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Those are maps presenting "policy" (from a palestinian perspective). I can present maps portraying the conflict in a different manner.

Back to the topic, you are backtracking AGAIN. We are not speaking of policy or history, but the concept of a Jewish state, hypothetic. You claimed that the concept itself means the eviction of all its citizens, I showed you 100 religion based nations that dont evict their minorities. Deal with my post and dont evade it for a change.
 
Axes said:
Those are maps presenting "policy" (from a palestinian perspective). I can present maps portraying the conflict in a different manner.

Back to the topic, you are backtracking AGAIN. We are not speaking of policy or history, but the concept of a Jewish state, hypothetic. You claimed that the concept itself means the eviction of all its citizens, I showed you 100 religion based nations that dont evict their minorities. Deal with my post and dont evade it for a change.
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When you tell me why 50% of the people are living in 10-15 % of the place and there are STILL Jewsih settlements being built DAILY on Arab land, you'll have your answer.
 
If you want to open up a debate about land rights, then go ahead. Before that, back up your statement. Ill repeat for the last time: Back up that claim, and explain why the concept of a Muslim state is ok, in your eyes, but a Jewish state isn't.

Hopefully you will have the minimal decency to answer a direct question for a change.
 
Axes said:
If you want to open up a debate about land rights, then go ahead. Before that, back up your statement. Ill repeat for the last time: Back up that claim, and explain why the concept of a Muslim state is ok, in your eyes, but a Jewish state isn't.

Hopefully you will have the minimal decency to answer a direct question for a change.
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I already gave you the answer. Its called building a nation on another people, expelling them and refusing them right of return as a demographic threat
 
spidergoat said:
You forgot the part where arab mobs murdered Jews.
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Was that before or after they declared an intention to create a Jewish state on their lands?

I'm guessing a group of Muslims creating an independent Islamic state in USA will be met with hugs and kisses?
 
No, sam, that is not what you said.

You claimed that a Jewish state, by definition, means the expultion of its non-Jewish inhabitants. You did not speak about history, or about Palestine, but the very concept of a jewish nation. Explain why that is impossible while 51 muslim nations exist.
 
Axes said:
No, sam, that is not what you said.

You claimed that a Jewish state, by definition, means the expultion of its non-Jewish inhabitants. You did not speak about history, or about Palestine, but the very concept of a jewish nation. Explain why that is impossible while 51 muslim nations exist.
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Its not my definition, its the definition of the Jewish state itself. "Demographic threat" anyone?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...icial&hs=tsN&q=demographic+threat&btnG=Search
 
S.A.M. said:
Was that before or after they declared an intention to create a Jewish state on their lands?

I'm guessing a group of Muslims creating an independent Islamic state in USA will be met with hugs and kisses?
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The revolt was driven primarily by Arab hostility to Britain's permission of restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases which Palestinian Arabs believed was leading them to becoming a minority in the territory. [wiki]

The same UN that you demand should settle the Palestinian issue now, then suggested a partition into Jewish and Arab territories.
 
S.A.M. said:
Its not my definition, its the definition of the Jewish state itself. "Demographic threat" anyone?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...icial&hs=tsN&q=demographic+threat&btnG=Search
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False. You did not speak about the current Jewish state, which indeed does have demographic problems, rather, you spoke about the very concept of a Jewish state, which by "definition" cannot have minorities in it. You made this claim despite the 51 muslim states that exist these days, which you seem to accept.

Forgive me for pushing this uncomfortable debate through, I just like to expose hypocricy when I see it.
 
Axes said:
False. You did not speak about the current Jewish state, which indeed does have demographic problems, rather, you spoke about the very concept of a Jewish state, which by "definition" cannot have minorities in it. You made this claim despite the 51 muslim states that exist these days, which you seem to accept.

Forgive me for pushing this uncomfortable debate through, I just like to expose hypocricy when I see it.
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The creation of the Jewish state resulted in the displacement of the resident population EXCEPT those who were Jewsih. There is no right of return for the displaced, EXCEPT those who are Jewsih.

And since the last 60 years, this has held true, consistently.
 
I just watched Death in Gaza. I challenge anyone who may have slipped into indifference about the subject, and who hasn't already seen it, to Google up one of the various streams and downloads of the film that are out there, and see if it doesn't arouse some stronger feelings in you.
 
Axes said:
No, sam, that is not what you said.

You claimed that a Jewish state, by definition, means the expultion of its non-Jewish inhabitants. You did not speak about history, or about Palestine, but the very concept of a jewish nation. Explain why that is impossible while 51 muslim nations exist.
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there are no muslim nations but there are plenty of nations that are muslim
 
pjdude1219 said:
there are no muslim nations but there are plenty of nations that are muslim
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You are incorrect. Most nations which "are muslim" consider themselves Muslim nations, both by rhetoric and by their variouse law's. In most of those countries, a non-muslim cannot rule the state, while in many others, they cannot hold govenrmental jobs, or are severely discriminated. For instance, the Bahai's in Iran are forbidden from practicing their religion, and the coptics in Egypt have had a long history of violence against them, state sponsored and not.
 
so what about that 8 years old who lost hes legs? anyone is gonna make a movie on him? or shed a tear for him?

i guess not.
 
Not as you thought: Every bloody tragedy in an ethnic war, on every side, is a waste beyond measure or compare.
 
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