New, Improved Obamacare Program Released On 35 Floppy Disks

[Michael]

That aside, we'll see.

ObamaCare will workout as well as everything else the government monopolizes: think of those Government-run Welfare Ghettos. You know to 'care of the needy'. Or the Govenrment-run Schools, that graduate functional illiterates at a rate of 1 in 5. Or the never-ending-phony-Wars the Government runs. You know, the ones that make our lives less safe and create more terrorists than started with. Or how about the Government-run Prison Industrial Complex? The one that does such a fan-f*cking-tastic job 'rehabilitating' and 'reforming'.

Don't worry, Government-run healthcare will be as safe as a Government-run Welfare-Ghetto staffed with a bunch of functional illiterate Government-School graduates. You'll see.

 

[Michael]

And given the recession ended more than 6 years ago and the economy has been growing, and we are now approaching full employment, the pricing restraint caused by recession no longer exist and healthcare cost inflation still remains historically lower

LOL

 

[joepistole]

That aside, we'll see.

ObamaCare will workout as well as everything else the government monopolizes: think of those Government-run Welfare Ghettos. You know to 'care of the needy'. Or the Govenrment-run Schools, that graduate functional illiterates at a rate of 1 in 5. Or the never-ending-phony-Wars the Government runs. You know, the ones that make our lives less safe and create more terrorists than started with. Or how about the Government-run Prison Industrial Complex? The one that does such a fan-f*cking-tastic job 'rehabilitating' and 'reforming'.

Don't worry, Government-run healthcare will be as safe as a Government-run Welfare-Ghetto staffed with a bunch of functional illiterate Government-School graduates. You'll see.

And just what does Obamacare monopolize Michael?

 

[Michael]

There you go again attacking slum lords which is in direct contradiction to your stated libertarian beliefs. People should be able to freely associate and exchange goods and services. Isn't that what you have been posting here for years?

If we lived in a free-market Joe, one with sound money who's value was derived from free exchange - then yes. But we don't. SlumLORDS is in reference to LandLORDS. People who used State-backed violence to maintain control over the peasantry though their State-granted Lordships.

That's not a free-market Joe.

SlumLords are not compatible with Progressive Socialism Joe - they're usually the first society turns on. Something you may want to think about when you're voting for B. Sanders

 

[Michael]

And just what does Obamacare monopolize Michael?

haha.... haven't you read iceaura's posts? Nothing short of all-out Government controlled DiseaseCare will satisfy the Progressive Socialists.

How perverse: The Initiation of State violence for the Good of Human Health.

 

[joepistole]

haha.... haven't you read iceaura's posts? Nothing short of all-out Government controlled DiseaseCare will satisfy the Progressive Socialists.

How perverse: The Initiation of State violence for the Good of Human Health.

I asked you a very specific question. You wrote, "ObamaCare will workout as well as everything else the government monopolizes", and I asked you what has Obamacare monopolized?

You are obfuscating again.

And where is the state violence? Taxation isn't violence.

 

[joepistole]

If we lived in a free-market Joe, one with sound money who's value was derived from free exchange - then yes. But we don't. SlumLORDS is in reference to LandLORDS. People who used State-backed violence to maintain control over the peasantry though their State-granted Lordships.

That's not a free-market Joe.

Except it is a free market and we do have sound money, and that sound money is freely exchanged every day. Rent and commerce isn't violence Michael. And these so called slum lords have no ability to tax. And renting to the poor is not exploitation. Without folks renting to low income folks, millions of low income folks would be homeless. That's a very simple fact.

Your objection appears to be with the fact government subsidizes housing for some low income folks so some low income families can afford housing. Your so called slum lords have nothing to do with that. That was a choice the government made in order to get out of the low income housing business and put it into the hands of private industry and to better integrate the poor into the community rather than segregating them in large government created and maintained housing facilities as was the case in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

A couple of things Michael, one the government doesn't subsidize all low income housing. Two, the fact that government does subsidize the housing for some low income families doesn't make your so called slum lords culpable for any of you many machinations. It just makes them responsible for renting to low income families, and there is nothing wrong with providing low income families with housing. But there is a lot of risk in that for very little profit. That's why many land lords don't do it.

That's why I have never done it, nor will I ever do it. I much rather rent to wealthy individuals and businesses. It's much more profitable and the risk is much less. That's why I would rather own a Manhattan high rise than slum property.

SlumLords are not compatible with Progressive Socialism Joe - they're usually the first society turns on. Something you may want to think about when you're voting for B. Sanders

So are you now a progressive socialist Michael? And what makes you think slum lords are not compatible with progressive socialism - whatever that is? I get it, you would much rather people be homeless. Because that is how things work in your Libertarian - Randian utopia.

 

[Michael]

Except it is a free market and we do have sound money, and that sound money is freely exchanged every day. Rent and commerce isn't violence Michael. And these so called slum lords have no ability to tax. And renting to the poor is not exploitation. Without folks renting to low income folks, millions of low income folks would be homeless. That's a very simple fact.

Then you'd be in favor of the Government proving free housing to the poor? You know, cut out the SlumLord middle man / parasite and build housing for the poor? You do care about the poor - don't you Joe? It's certainly better to have ALL of the resources go to poor, not via a SlumLord. I'm not in favor of using the Government to 'care for the poor' (as the end result is generational ghetto slums) but I sure as hell am not in favor of SlumLord middlemen with their handout taking a cut of the action. They're like parasites feeding off the poor. As a matter of fact, without poor and destitute people - many of these guys' would have to go back to work.


As for rent and commerce being violent. Commerce conducted via regulatory-capture and rent-seeking is indeed violent. Selling human Slaves, while once legal in our Republic, was a form of violent commerce. Aristocratic LandLords where serfs were tied to the land and only allowed to conduct trade with the Lord's permission is not different from Rent-Seekers who use the State to enforce regulatory-capture over peon's who are not given the State's permission / licence to conduct trade. That's violence Joe.

Not that it matters. This is America, it's not going to change, and we'll just have to wait for your generation to die off. That's okay. In the meantime, many of us will support non-violent means to usurp the Crony-Capitalistic system your generation feeds off, such as taking Uber instead of a Taxi. In my city, about 5000 new Uber apps are downloaded per month. While the police attempted to capture and ticket drivers, that hasn't stopped us from using Uber to get from A to B over a Taxi. Plenty of Uber drivers lined up with their cars and plenty of customers will tell the police they personally know the driver and to mind their own business (yes, police were so brazen to actually illegally detain and question riders - insane). So, this is the way forward. And you better hope it works. Because the other option is a bunch of functional illiterates vote in a seriously demented demagogue - well, guess who pretty much everyone hates Joe? SlumLords and Bankers/ex-Bankers (often one and the same). They'll get a 'Tax' the likes of which you haven't seen. How's 99% sound?

Anyway, we'll see.

In the meantime, let's sit back and watch ObamaCare implode under the weight of it's own ineptitude / crony-government-bureaucracy.



Oh, and Joe, in a free-market with free-trade, homes would cheap. They're cheap and easy to build and there's plenty of people who'd happily build low-rise and high-rise if not for regulatory-capture. With sound-money, the kind that actually retains it's value and *GASP* gains value, the poor would be able to afford homes. Just as the poor can afford smart-phones and just as we have an over abundance of food, we'd have an over abundance of houses.

I'm sorry to pop your bubble, but no one like SlumLords Joe. In Japan they're considered parasitical. But, thanks to Government, looks like the Millennials will be living in their Mother's basement for some time to come. So, business is good, the economy is great - if you're in the SlumLord market

 

[joepistole]

Then you'd be in favor of the Government proving free housing to the poor? You know, cut out the SlumLord middle man / parasite and build housing for the poor? You do care about the poor - don't you Joe? It's certainly better to have ALL of the resources go to poor, not via a SlumLord. I'm not in favor of using the Government to 'care for the poor' (as the end result is generational ghetto slums) but I sure as hell am not in favor of SlumLord middlemen with their handout taking a cut of the action. They're like parasites feeding off the poor. As a matter of fact, without poor and destitute people - many of these guys' would have to go back to work.


As for rent and commerce being violent. Commerce conducted via regulatory-capture and rent-seeking is indeed violent. Selling human Slaves, while once legal in our Republic, was a form of violent commerce. Aristocratic LandLords where serfs were tied to the land and only allowed to conduct trade with the Lord's permission is not different from Rent-Seekers who use the State to enforce regulatory-capture over peon's who are not given the State's permission / licence to conduct trade. That's violence Joe.

Not that it matters. This is America, it's not going to change, and we'll just have to wait for your generation to die off. That's okay. In the meantime, many of us will support non-violent means to usurp the Crony-Capitalistic system your generation feeds off, such as taking Uber instead of a Taxi. In my city, about 5000 new Uber apps are downloaded per month. While the police attempted to capture and ticket drivers, that hasn't stopped us from using Uber to get from A to B over a Taxi. Plenty of Uber drivers lined up with their cars and plenty of customers will tell the police they personally know the driver and to mind their own business (yes, police were so brazen to actually illegally detain and question riders - insane). So, this is the way forward. And you better hope it works. Because the other option is a bunch of functional illiterates vote in a seriously demented demagogue - well, guess who pretty much everyone hates Joe? SlumLords and Bankers/ex-Bankers (often one and the same). They'll get a 'Tax' the likes of which you haven't seen. How's 99% sound?

Anyway, we'll see.

In the meantime, let's sit back and watch ObamaCare implode under the weight of it's own ineptitude / crony-government-bureaucracy.



Oh, and Joe, in a free-market with free-trade, homes would cheap. They're cheap and easy to build and there's plenty of people who'd happily build low-rise and high-rise if not for regulatory-capture. With sound-money, the kind that actually retains it's value and *GASP* gains value, the poor would be able to afford homes. Just as the poor can afford smart-phones and just as we have an over abundance of food, we'd have an over abundance of houses.

I'm sorry to pop your bubble, but no one like SlumLords Joe. In Japan they're considered parasitical. But, thanks to Government, looks like the Millennials will be living in their Mother's basement for some time to come. So, business is good, the economy is great - if you're in the SlumLord market

As is always the case with you Michael, nothing you wrote makes any sense. On multiple occasions you contradict yourself.

 

[Michael]

As is always the case with you Michael, nothing you wrote makes any sense. On multiple occasions you contradict yourself.

LOL

You stated you wanted housing for the poor - well, then have the government pay builders to provide said housing. Think Obamaphone only ObamaHouse. There's no NEED for the government to pay a middleman / SlumLord. It's not a difficult concept. What? You don't think the poor should own their own home? You don't think home ownership is 'good for society'?

As I said, I have no problem with people renting their property - in a free market. We don't live in a free market. However, people are taking things into their own hands. As an example: Air B&B.

As for ObamaCare, I don't need to wonder what a mess this is turning out to be (and will eventuate as) - I know exactly how this will run it's course. There's a reason why Australian's pay for Private Insurance when they can access "Free" Public Hospitals. And there's a reason why the Government is removing surgeries off its options list (a knee surgery is coming off this year I believe, you know, for the Good of Society). Monopolies don't work Joe. Not in housing. Not in education. Not in money. AND most certainly not in healthcare.

 

[Michael]

Interestingly, I was driving past some relatively decent apartments in Kobe today. These were the equivalent of welfare estates minus the slum and no welfare. Essentially, in Japan, the city builds apartment estates. Small, but cheap. How cheap? Well, Kobe is one of the worlds largest port cities. Relatively speaking, in Japan, Kobe is pretty wealthy. The apartments were about 25-40 minutes drive to the city, 10-15 if you can afford the tunnel. So? The price? $400 a month. Why is this interesting? For some reason, in Japan, the idea of slum-lording is abhorrent. Now, it's not like there isn't plenty of Japanese who'd like to BE a slumlord. It's just they can't do so very easily. For one, see said apartment. I think it's because of the monoculture. Why? Because, Japan isn't a total monoculture. I was at an Indian restaurant just the other day (best naan bread I've even eaten) - there obviously are foreigners in Japan. I mean, I'm here. I don't rent, but I know there are some neighborhoods where non-Japanese people do. And guess what, those are some of the worse places in Japan. They're slumy. Not being Japanese, they aren't able to access the same social services. It's as if slum lord and tenant are destined to meet. Whereas, in the rest of Japan, slumy people are shammed and clean up their act a bit and slumlords find other avenues to make a living. Like opening a bar or something. I should qualify slumy people. I saw a Japanese man with a mullet that would made a redneck proud. There he was in his sleeveless wife-beater white T-shirt which his leopard spandex wearing pants wife. At this point, I'm fairly certain that when the DNA align, poof, slummy.

 

[Michael]

CNBC: Obamacare Is Sucking Up To a FAT 10% of Americans' Incomes

A new study reveals that many Obamacare customers pay more than 10 percent of their incomes toward coverage. And the share of income eaten up can be much greater for some people, particularly if they use a lot of health services under their plan.

One in 10 Obamacare customers who earn between just two and five times the federal poverty level will have coverage costs that exceed 21 percent of their incomes, an analysis by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Urban Institute found.

Oh, and as an added bonus, after having secured rent-seeker status following about 65 years of ever increasing regulatory capture, healthcare is the #2 reason you die. IT will kill you off. Incidentally, if you were wondering, the overall rate is probably double in Australia if you're cared for in a public hospital where medicine is 'Free'*.

*Note: Free. There is no free. One of my Australian friends recently had a routine operation, oh, and his also pays more for private. Cost? $2250. His friend had an operation recently as well. Cost? Over $25,000. This one I'll have to follow up on. But, if you think there's "free", think again. You, or your kids, are going to pay one way or another. We live in a world with limits, and that means no free.

Note 2: Japan has the highest number of doctors per person in the world. Probably for the same reason they don't have many slumlords.

Note 3: At the turn of the century, American also had a medical problem. See, with free markets, the cost was too low. Thus, the AMA. Solved that little problem.

 

[Michael]

And Then I Said Obamacare Would Lower Insurance Costs..............

 

[Michael]

Just look at all this saaah-weet inflation prosperity. Thank the GAWDS, and Keynesian Central Planners, for all the Prosperity Inducing Inflation..... what used to cost you $100 now costs you $500, don't you feel richer already. And hey, if the Zika Virus starts spreading across the USA... just think of the economic activity and GDP growth. Add in a few million rapeugees and Keynesian Prosperity Here We Come:

 

[Michael]

Market Watch: This is the Obamacare deadline to avoid $695 penalty

It’s time to buy health insurance. Those who don’t have coverage through work have until Sunday, Jan. 31, to buy an individual policy for this year.

Those who miss the deadline will be shut out of the major medical insurance market for the rest of the year, unless they experience a life event that qualifies them for a special enrollment period. This applies equally to those who are buying Obamacare — that is, coverage through the federal marketplace at healthcare.govor through their state exchange — and to those who are buying off-exchange, either directly from the carrier or through a broker. The open enrollment period is synced for both to prevent people from timing their purchase to when a health need arises.

People who don’t get covered will have to pay up. The penalty for not buying insurance for 2016 is either $695 per adult and $347.50 per child under 18, or 2.5% of the yearly household income, whichever is higher. (LOL, whichever is higher, of course. Just like any other Mafia). Consumers who don’t qualify for an exemption on religious or other limited grounds will have to pay this penalty next year when they file their 2016 federal income tax return. (Those who go uninsured for no more than two consecutive months are not subject to the penalty.

--o--
Don't you love when go the store ready to buy something and you think, I'm going to get a good deal. The best deal I can. So, you find the Store Clerk and say: Line up the TVs from cheapest to most expensive, then force me to pay for whichever is the highest. That's what I want. I want to be forced to pay for whichever is higher. You know, because I barely have any money and I'm insane/a brainwashed State-bot. Oh, and if I don't pay, drag me away to a State-run rape cage. You know, for the Good of Society. Because people who want something - have to be forced into buying it.

And, since we live in a "free" society, that protects our individual civil liberties, we need to be coerced into doing what the collective wants. And, History shows, a collection of functional illiterates all voting for the Demagogue who promises them the most free stuff, always works out for everyone eventually.

Nice.

Ooooh, that FREE appears to be getting more expensive by the day. That's okay, I hear it'll help wreck the lives of most Millennials, which shouldn't matter much. I mean, so long as they can work 5 jobs at McJobs, living 5 to a room, they should make rent to their retired SlumLord, and that's really what matters in USSA. Nice. It'll be interesting to see just how much 'Redistribution' Dear Leader has to do for the Good of Society following another 10 years of Keynesian 'Great Recovery' from The Great Blackmail. Who knows what a POTUS Trump would do for the Good of Society. A 99% tax on the SlumLord Class?

Interesting times

 

[iceaura]

Note 3: At the turn of the century, American also had a medical problem. See, with free markets, the cost was too low. Thus, the AMA. Solved that little problem.

More of this mythical golden age of free markets, again.

Because without it, your fantasy ideology would make about as much sense as the virtuous English monarchy without King Arthur and similar legends. You need an historical myth of a better time, just as you need your little myths about simple minded people shouting for Free! stuff, or Obamacare being a socialist government takeover sold on lies.

The AMA was founded in 1847. It incorporated in 1897. It has always been a leader in the fight to preserve "free markets" - corporate capitalism - in all aspects of medical care delivery and insurance of same. ( It almost killed Medicare, and did block single payer health insurance ).

The AMA has been on your side of this debate, fighting to preserve market-based corporate capitalism in the delivery of medical care and also in the insurance of that delivery, for more than a century now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Coffee_Cup

 

[Michael]

More of this mythical golden age of free markets, again.

Because without it, your fantasy ideology would make about as much sense as the virtuous English monarchy without King Arthur and similar legends. You need an historical myth of a better time, just as you need your little myths about simple minded people shouting for Free! stuff, or Obamacare being a socialist government takeover sold on lies.

The AMA was founded in 1847. It incorporated in 1897. It has always been a leader in the fight to preserve "free markets" - corporate capitalism - in all aspects of medical care delivery and insurance of same. ( It almost killed Medicare, and did block single payer health insurance ).

The AMA has been on your side of this debate, fighting to preserve market-based corporate capitalism in the delivery of medical care and also in the insurance of that delivery, for more than a century now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Coffee_Cup

No it didn't. The AMA has fought for CRONY Capitalism. And did so through Regulatory Capture and Rent-Seeking.

The AMA has been a crony organization from the beginning (HuffPo: How the AMA Got Rich & Powerful) but it was ONLY through Government that they were able to use the State's special legal ability to initiate violence against innocent competitors and place themselves as arbiter of what would eventually become our modern medical racketeering system.

And if you think turning healthcare into a Government run service will turn out any better than our Government run Welfare Ghettos, or Government run inner city schools or Government run MIC, then you are simply living in La La Land. It's not going to happen. The fact is, right now, Government regulated healthcare is likely to kill you. The USA is not Japan - where Private Hospitals are still better than Public. We're not them, they are not us. If you think Swedenstan is so great, pretend you're a 14 year refugee and move there. The fact is, most of your Social Paradises are sinking under the weight or their Progressive Magic Thinking.


Here, let's go through an example:
The average wage is 60,000. Medicare costs 2.5%. That's 1500. Now, imagine 1 in 3 people are obese. Given the state of the art technology, most people will statistically recover from their first 3 heart surgeries. Suppose the first is priced at 85,000, the second at 150,000 and the third 380,000 and the fourth 850,000 which has complications and results in death. You tell me, where is the money going to come from? Go on. Let's hear where the money is going to come from to pay for this fat f*ck. Oh, that's right, it comes from Magic Thinking. Because in Progressive Socialist Land, money is printed and *poof* resources pop into existence from out of the void. There's no shortage of anything and we all live in la la land.

Go on, tell me how this person is going to be paid for.

Because in the real world two things happen (1) other services are cut (like no books for inner city schools) and (2) the population / tax-herd must grow and continue to grow - which is why Social Paradises like Swedenstan need to import millions of workers (let's see how that works out for them).


As an example, I know of a 9 year old girl who has to have a heart surgery. She's been on the wait list in one of your Single Payer Systems since July. She'll probably have her surgery in March. She should have had her surgery in July last year. Sorry, but you are delusional. There ARE limits. This is IN one of your Single Payer Social Paradises. Where the Government runs all aspects of medicine and medical error is even higher than in the US.


The ONLY way for Americans to have cheap affordable high quality healthcare is a free market in healthcare goods and services.

That aside, I don't mind if you want to start your own Insurance Company. Again, if you think you have Magic Formula, then go f*cking do it. But don't involve other's who, quite frankly, know you're living in La La land. In the real world, there are limited resources and we don't have a planet that can sustain your Magic Thinking. You do your thing, now let us do our thing. See how easy it is? It's called freedom. You're free to band together with a bunch of people who think they have the answer, let others do the same. Or don't. Use the State's violence - and watch as you end up with Public Hospitals so shit they'll be meat factories where AMA members practice on the poor as they work their way out of public and into private - moving overseas if they have to.

You'll see.

 

[Michael]

This is some serious inflation.... wow.

Our Keynesian-run Centrally Planned "economy" must be doing great, just look at all that healthy inflation!

 

[wellwisher]

Why have Americans become so sick to need all this care? Does the high cost of ObamaCare imply that Americans are the sickest people on earth?

 

[joepistole]

Why have Americans become so sick to need all this care? Does the high cost of ObamaCare imply that Americans are the sickest people on earth?

Where do I begin? Actually, healthcare expenses have plateaued under Obamacare. They haven't gotten higher. Healthcare costs in the US has risen at multiples of GDP at least since the 1970's. The US healthcare system is almost twice as expensive as that of other developed nations and we don't insure everyone. We provide less healthcare. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS/countries/US-XS?display=graph

Additionally, over many decades the US healthcare system has become less and less effective with each passing year. The US ranks dead last on measures of effectiveness and efficiency. That has nothing to do with Obamacare. The US has long had a healthcare problem. The Clintons attempted to fix our healthcare system in the 90's. Back when I began working, healthcare was fully paid by the employer. That isn't the case today, and that hasn't been the case for more than 3 decades now.


http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/06/health-care-spending_n_4549383.html