New, Improved Obamacare Program Released On 35 Floppy Disks

Hey look, QE1, QE2, OT, QE3 (and soon QE4-eva) is FINALLY helping our economy by getting rid of that pesty 'Deflation', you know, because when the price of things goes down, you become poorer.

Politico:
Obamacare rates [continue] to rise [by another] 7.5 percent [yet again] next year [on into perpetuity]

Isn't that wonderful? All that fantastic inflation helping out our economy. Geeeee.... thank the GAWDS for Central Planners (it's not like Central Planning / Socialism has ever destroyed entire Civilizations while starving millions of humans to death). Yup, let's all wave our Made In China flag now for Dear Leader.

Obamacare customers are facing an average 7.5 percent price increase for a key benchmark health plan next year, according to limited data the Obama administration released just days before the start of a challenging enrollment season.
Hey that's okay, because FREE.

MOAR and FREE - the American way.
 
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The WallStreet Journal
The Decline of ObamaCare
Fewer enrollees and rising loss ratios will force a rewrite in 2017

ObamaCare’s image of invincibility is increasingly being exposed as a political illusion, at least for those with permission to be honest about the evidence. Witness the heretofore unknown phenomenon of a “free” entitlement that its beneficiaries can’t afford or don’t want.

This month the Health and Human Services Department dramatically discounted its internal estimate of how many people will join the state insurance exchanges in 2016. There are about 9.1 million enrollees today, and the consensus estimate—by the Congressional Budget Office, the Medicare actuary and independent analysts like Rand Corp.—was that participation would surge to some 20 million. But HHS now expects enrollment to grow to between merely 9.4 million and 11.4 million.

Editorial Board Member Joe Rago explains why the president’s signature healthcare law is failing to meet its enrollment projections.
Recruitment for 2015 is roughly 70% of the original projection, but ObamaCare will be running at less than half its goal in 2016. HHS believes some 19 million Americans earn too much for Medicaid but qualify for ObamaCare subsidies and haven’t signed up. Some 8.5 million of that 19 million purchase off-exchange private coverage with their own money, while the other 10.5 million are still uninsured. In other words, for every person who’s allowed to join and has, two people haven’t.



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Nooo? Central Planning bungling up the economy? You don't say? Thank the GAWDS we don't have a FREE market in medical care, it'd probably be as cheap and accessible to the poor as a super computer that fits in your pocket.

Oh, but come now, a super computer that fits in your pocket? Don't be naive! That'll never happan! We NEED the State Nanny to regulate *cough* rig *cough* and determine who can practice, how many hospitals can be opened, how many fMRI can be utilized in a particular area and just about everything from who you can marry, to what drugs you can consume. You know, because you're free. You're free to walk about your Tax Farm and into a milking stall.

Enjoy the Recovery, it's going to be with us for a LOOOONG time. Because if you think it's possible to overturn 100 years of central planning overnight (including 50 years of Baby's) well, you're smoking a bit too much Hopium with your Change


For Gawd, King and Country
LOL
 
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*GAAAASP*
Giverment bungling has led to MOAR Regulatory Capture and Rent-Seeking on the part of the Health Insurance Companies.......

NOOOOOO you don't say. NO ONE could have ever (in a million years) guessed that this would happen.

.... AGAIN.


Oh, and it's nice to see the WARmonger Industry got an extra $80 billion to waste on trillion dollar planes that will never fly.... Yes, thank the GAWDS we have Giverment protecting us from the richest 0.1% it bailed out and keeps plowing your children's future 6 feet under for.

Yes, TRUST in Giverment. They'll protect you from Apple Inc who might *GASP* produce an iPhone-10 for you. OR the Koch Brothers who might provide a refined petrochemical product for you to wash your hair with. No, you wouldn't want to deal with them through the courts and the markets - no no no, you are pathetic, small and weak. YOU cannot do anything for yourself and you certainly cannot organize a non-violent response with those around you. So, accordingly, you NEED Giverment to Nanny you.

Now, get out your Made In China American Flag and start waving it for Hillary Sanders and enjoy the "FREE" Givernment-hyper-regulated-Healthcare that's most likely going to kill you.

 
National Review: Democrats Asked for Obamacare but Now Try to Duck Out of Paying for It

Nice....

Congressional Democrats led by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are quietly working to repeal the “Cadillac tax,” a 40 percent excise on certain expensive health-insurance policies enacted as part of the so-called Affordable Care Act, which grows less affordable by the minute. The Cadillac tax was never going to be long-lived. It was a lie from the beginning, a part of the great fiction that allowed Democrats to claim that Barack Obama’s signature health-insurance initiative would add “not one dime” to the deficit, as the president repeatedly insisted. But the tax was and is bitterly opposed by important Democratic constituencies: the AFL-CIO and the American Federation of Teachers, the members of which enjoy very generous health-care programs (the teachers at your direct expense, suckers) and don’t much like paying taxes despite their endless nattering about the need to make sure everybody pays his “fair share.” The teachers’ unions, it should be noted, are the biggest political spenders in the country — not the NRA, not the Koch brothers, not the Chamber of Commerce or Big Oil or Big Whatever. In the private sector, unions are in decline and have been for decades, mainly because extortion is a terrible business model in the long term. But in the public sector — in government — unions rule the roost, which is why they run the Democratic party in spite of their relatively small overall numbers. Hillary Rodham Clinton cannot be president without the support of the teachers’ unions, period, and so she supports repealing one of the main revenue-generating measures attached to Obamacare.
Looks like "Democratic" Socialism is running out of other people's children to sell T-Bonds on. Hey, nothing a 100 million Syrian immigrants can't fix....
 
National Review: Democrats Asked for Obamacare but Now Try to Duck Out of Paying for It

Nice....

Looks like "Democratic" Socialism is running out of other people's children to sell T-Bonds on. Hey, nothing a 100 million Syrian immigrants can't fix....
LOL...except you are not being honest again Michael. Democrats are not trying to "duck out of Obamacare" or of paying for it. The items you referenced above were concessions to get a budget deal and prevent the country from defaulting on its debt.
 
LOL...except you are not being honest again Michael. Democrats are not trying to "duck out of Obamacare" or of paying for it. The items you referenced above were concessions to get a budget deal and prevent the country from defaulting on its debt.
Oh really - which is why they've been pushing for a repeal since last SPRING.

Or, more likely, Big Government Union is pushing the Democrats they own, to eliminate a tax their Government Teachers Unions don't want to shoulder on their VERY GENEROUS healthcare plans (you know, because of the f*cking outstanding record Government Teachers have at 'educating' the public - they deserve the best of the best).

The Hill: Reid, Pelosi pushing for repeal of ObamaCare's 'Cadillac tax'
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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) are working behind the scenes to repeal one of the most controversial taxes in ObamaCare, multiple sources tell The Hill. Reid and Pelosi have been talking since the spring with President Obama about repealing the “Cadillac tax” on employer healthcare benefits, a senior Democratic aide confirmed on Friday.

“Point is, they both want to get this done,” the Democratic aide said. Opponents of the 40 percent excise tax on high-cost health plans believe 2015 is their last, best chance to get the provision repealed before presidential politics grind the legislative process to a halt.
With just two months left in the year, sources say the most ideal option for Democrats is attaching repeal to the package known as “tax extenders.” The cost of the extenders bill is typically not offset, making it an attractive vehicle for ending one of ObamaCare’s biggest revenue generators.

Reid and Pelosi have not settled on a plan and are leaving their options open, the aide said, adding that the work on ending the tax could carry over into next year. “It is clearly a commitment for the Democratic leadership,” AFL-CIO lobbyist Tom Leibfried said in an interview in his downtown office Friday. “We think there’s a real chance to get this done, as big a lift as this is.”

The Democratic leaders are seeking to end the tax at a time when all of the party’s major presidential candidates — including front-runner Hillary Clinton — have pledged to repeal the tax before it goes into effect in 2018. Both Reid and Pelosi have remained relatively quiet on the tax since the bill's passage in 2010. Even as dozens of Democrats signed onto bills in their respective chambers to repeal it, Reid and Pelosi stayed in the background, refraining from public statements on the efforts.

Powerful labor groups such as the AFL-CIO and the American Federation of Teachers vehemently opposed the Cadillac tax from the start. They say repeal needs to happen soon, before employers begin trimming back healthcare benefits. Aside from the question of how to pay for repeal, the Democrats' biggest roadblock is the Obama administration.

The tax on high-cost insurance plans is at the heart of Obama’s strategy to contain costs across the marketplace. Health officials and economists close to the law are dead set against abandoning the tax, which they argue should nudge employers and employees toward cheaper insurance plans with less waste.

Last month, Obama’s top economic adviser, Jason Furman, called the tax “perhaps the single biggest leverage we have on health costs in the private sector.”

“That’s very disappointing and frustrating for us, but at some point, [the administration] can count too, and they can see that we have over a majority in the House in one form or another,” Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.), the sponsor of a Cadillac tax repeal bill, said of Obama's opposition in an interview last month.

The Democratic leadership push first got off the ground this spring, with the two leaders later raising the issue in person with Obama during a September meeting, Leibfried said. Both Reid and Pelosi have driven the effort equally, the aide said. The biggest hurdle for getting rid of the tax is figuring out how to replace the $87 billion in government revenue for the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

Leibfried said there are several options on the table, including an offset package that House leaders decided not to use when crafting the so-called “doc fix” legislation earlier this year. The cost of the final bill was only partially offset. To get Republicans to the table, Leibfried said Reid and Pelosi might have to agree to the repeal of the medical device tax — another unpopular funding mechanism for the healthcare law that many Democrats oppose. While Republicans are also on the record opposing the Cadillac tax, it is Democrats who are increasingly taking the lead on repeal, in part due to intense pressure from allies in the labor movement. “Even if you have some prominent folks and a large number of Republicans on a bill, any adjustment to the ACA is still incredibly loaded,” Leibfried said. Behind the scenes, Republican leaders are also feeling pressure to repeal the tax — or at least not to stand in the Democrats’ way, Leibfried said. He said lobbyists for the AFL-CIO have been working closely with some of the country’s biggest employers, who are also “working the Republican side vigorously.”

“Members of Congress are understanding that this isn’t a 2018 issue. This is something that needs to be dealt with much sooner,” added Shaun O’Brien, the AFL-CIO’s assistant health and retirement policy director. “People are beginning to feel the pain now.”


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How nice, the working poor get to pay higher O-blahma-Care co-payments, while Government School bureaucrats and other Public Union members walk away with Tax-Payer subsidized "Cadillac" premium healthcare.

You know, for the Good of the Roads.
 
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In wingnut world, where Mitt Romney's health care plan is central planning of a State monopoly, and where all government is bad but somehow only Democratic government actually provides bad examples, and the media stops being all about lies and bs and becomes the bringer of Truth when it's some rag like the National Review.

the fact that the US health care system is the least socialized, least government run, most corporate competitive and most capitalistic health care system in the First World.

and also the least efficient, lowest performing, and by far most expensive of the First World systems,

simply doesn't exist. Physical reality doesn't show up on the radar of the true believer.
 
In wingnut world, where Mitt Romney's health care plan is central planning of a State monopoly, and where all government is bad but somehow only Democratic government actually provides bad examples, and the media stops being all about lies and bs and becomes the bringer of Truth when it's some rag like the National Review.
All government isn't 'bad'. Government is 'immoral'. This is simply an axiomatic definition, there's no 'argument' here. Government is the initiation of violence against innocent humans within a geopolitical landmass. That's immoral. It's why the government was LIMITED by the US Constitution. The US Constitution is there protect you from It, not from 'the Kochs', not from an off chicken McNugget, not to provide you with Moar Free X, but to protect you from this immoral (by definition) institution. All the rest of the things you want in society: education, sandwhiches, smartphones, cars, youtube videos, movies, video games, medicine.... ALL OF THAT we have to provide to one another working WITH each other in a manner that does not involve pointing a gun in someone's face or threatening them to do so.

While I know this small concept is hard for you Authoritarians to get your mind around, I promise you, it's really not that difficult.

the fact that the US health care system is the least socialized, least government run, most corporate competitive and most capitalistic health care system in the First World.
The fact is the US DiseaseCare system is a hyper-regulated mess. It's NOT a capitalistic anything. We don't use 'capital' and sound money. We use fiat-currency and debt issuance. We don't rely on free-exchange, but on regulatory capture and rent-seeking.

AND don't worry, healthcare is destroying many other countries as well.

and also the least efficient, lowest performing, and by far most expensive of the First World systems,

simply doesn't exist. Physical reality doesn't show up on the radar of the true believer.
In the USA, healthcare is HYPER-regulated. It's one of the most regulated markets in the world. Right up there with the mess that's called "Finance". This is an objective fact, if you bothered to look up the lines of regulation and make a comparison. Government has DESTROYED healthcare in the USA. Absolutely destroyed it. It has turned a once decent way to make a living into a Rent-Seeker slum-hole where more people DIE due TO healthcare now than many other ways to die. This is a fact of life. But, don't worry. We're getting MOAR government and soon Public Healthcare in the USSA will look like the Welfare-Slums the State runs.
 
Forbes: Obamacare's Exchanges Begin To Implode

Need proof that Obamacare is imploding? Look to its exchanges. The largest U.S. insurer, UnitedHealth Group, just announced that it may withdraw from the exchanges in 2017. The insurer currently offers plans in 34 states and covers more than 500,000 people through the online marketplaces. But it’s expecting $700 million in losses on its exchange business this year. “We cannot sustain these losses,” CEO Stephen Hemsley recently told investors. “We can’t really subsidize a marketplace that doesn’t appear at the moment to be sustaining itself.”
That's okay - we can just do Magic Thinking.

Because in Magic Thinking land there's MOAR than enough for everyone to have everything and the only problem is getting enough Tax Money. Just ask B. Sanders. The problem is Tax Money. Yes, the Government has total control over Fiat and can print as much of it as it wants, but the problem is peaces of paper. If we have more Zeros on the ends of the numbers, THEN everyone could have healthcare.

Here's something interesting. A guy walks into to see my friend a cardiospecialist. Now, of course this functionally illiterate f*ck-face has had 3 previous heart attacks at a cost of around $800,000 - $1.2 million dollars. But hey, is he going to do anything about it? Nope. When asked to diet, his reply is this: Piss off, I pay me taxes. Fix me heart. Then he waddles around bitching he doesn't like this or that and the gurney is too cold. He doesn't like the food. Oh, and guess what the upshot of this is - less resources for our shoddy-run Government schools. Yup, that's right. Times is tight.

Progressive Authoritarianism, destroying one industry and a time, so you don't have to.

Note: The USSR was not in short supply of Scientists and Medical Doctors - not that this mattered, people still starved to near-death and shortages of many medicines were routine. And every year it got worse, until it (much like Obama'Care') imploded in a pile of it's own oxymorons.
 
Forbes: State-Run Obamacare Exchanges Careening Toward Disaster
Forbes: Will There Be An Obamacare Bailout Of Insurers?

This year was supposed to be the first wherein Obamacare’s state-based insurance exchanges would be self-sufficient. By now, the law’s architects assured, the exchanges would be thriving, competitive marketplaces, where all Americans could secure affordable coverage.

It hasn’t worked out that way.

Two of the original 17 state exchanges have failed. Half of those that remain are struggling financially. After getting $5 billion in federal grants, most of the state exchanges have turned out to be a disastrous mix of runaway spending on technology, lower-than-expected enrollment, huge overhead costs, and looming bankruptcy.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) is not working out the way many insurance companies thought it would. Despite the individual mandate and massive new government subsidies delivered directly to insurers, many participating insurers, whose continued participation is essential to the ACA’s future, are losing substantial money.

In order to assist those insurers, the administration is now seeking a taxpayer-financed bailout for them. Congress can block taxpayer funds from being used for this purpose by extending language contained in the 2015 government funding bill. Congress could also look to end the back-end subsidy that transfers money from people with workplace coverage to insurers selling ACA plans – plans that satisfy all of the new rules of the law.

Insurers Losing Money on ACA plans

On November 19, UnitedHealth Group UNH -1.79%, the largest insurer in the country, announced it may pull out of the exchanges because of massive losses incurred selling ACA plans. United has pulled back on advertising for ACA plans, and its CEO suggests that people are taking advantage of the ACA’s new rules by enrolling for insurance, raking up large claims, and then dropping coverage.

Aetna AET -1.27% executives have made similar comments about people gaming the ACA’s new rules. Former Aetna CEO Ron Williams suggested that people who know about a potential need for health care services are using the special enrollment period to sign up for coverage.

Wellmark of Iowa reported that its “ACA members are using substantially more services and are receiving care for more chronic and critical diseases than anticipated.” According to Wellmark, “135 members who signed up for coverage, received several million dollars in health care services, and then terminated their coverage.” Wellmark also said that many people purchased the most generous coverage, used a large amount of services, and then used the special enrollment period to downgrade plans.

Twelve of the 23 health insurance companies – dubbed co-ops – established by the ACA with large federal loans have shut down because of large losses.

While there is not yet data for 2015, I estimate that insurers lost about $4 billion selling ACA plans in 2014. A recent analysis from Standard and Poor’s shows insurers are likely to incur steep losses in 2015 as well.
Oh, there's a shocker. The State bailout it's crony-Industrialists? Of course it will.
 
NYP: ObamaCare is entering its dreaded ‘death spiral’
ObamaCare is heading toward a death spiral.

The Obama administration is having trouble selling insurance plans to healthy people. That’s a big problem: When the young and healthy don’t enroll, premiums have to be hiked to cover the costs of older, sicker people, discouraging even more young people from signing up. Last Thursday, the administration predicted enrollment for 2016 will be less than half what the Congressional Budget Office predicted in March.

Despite subsidies to help with premiums and out-of-pocket costs, most of the uninsured who are eligible for ObamaCare are saying “no thanks.” Only one in seven is expected to sign up. That’s despite a hefty increase in the financial penalty next year for not having insurance. The president sees the writing on the wall. You won’t be seeing the customary nationwide TV campaign to encourage sign-ups, as there were in previous years. Remember the young guy in plaid pajamas — “Pajama Boy,” to conservatives — well, he won’t be back this winter. Bad enough that healthy people aren’t buying. Worse is that the administration is spending billions of your tax dollars covering up the problem, paying insurers to keep offering the plans, even though they’re losing their shirts. But facts are facts — and there’s no hiding these.

Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell predicts ObamaCare enrollment will inch up by 1 million or so, to 10 million people — half what the CBO forecasted. Open enrollment for the coming year, which begins Nov. 1, “is going to be a challenge,” she said. David Wichmann, UnitedHealth Group’s president, announced higher premiums last week because enrollees will “require more medical services than original expectations.”

Many states (though not New York) are looking at premium hikes of 30 percent or more, according to a new Robert Wood Johnson/Urban Institute analysis. The Heritage Foundation estimates that insurers lost 12 percent selling ACA plans in 2014, with more losses this year. Don’t shed any tears for the insurance companies. Though they’re losing money on exchange plans, overall they’re profitable and their stocks are doing well. It’s John Q. Public who’s bearing the brunt. Just as ObamaCare intended.

If you get insurance at work, you’re paying an extra tax to fund “reinsurance” for ObamaCare plans. It’s a fund to defray the cost of their most expensive enrollees.
 
This year was supposed to be the first wherein Obamacare’s state-based insurance exchanges would be self-sufficient. By now, the law’s architects assured, the exchanges would be thriving, competitive marketplaces, where all Americans could secure affordable coverage.

It hasn’t worked out that way
Yep: Market exchange is not capable of providing modern medical care to most people. The necessary circumstances of a functional free market do not obtain. That has always been the central flaw behind these Romney model capitalist free-market setups.

It's a worthy try, but it's a kludge - this capitalist market stuff is never going to work.
 
Oh my, the sky is falling...not really. :) It's more than a little disingenuous is what it is. It shouldn't come as a surprise that right wing advocacy organizations - and your references are right wing advocacy groups - are predicting the demise of Obamacare. They have been predicting the demise of Obamacare for nearly 7 years now and every right wing prediction of doom has come and gone without incident.

Further, any savvy investor knows when corporate management fails to deliver the numbers, they like to blame something or someone else for their failures. It's called scapegoating. In this case, they are scapegoating Obamacare. The fact is, and not surprisingly it wasn't reported in the article you referenced, other healthcare insurers haven't experienced the problems United Health reported. Other healthcare insurers are doing just fine with their Obamacare plans.

While Obamacare isn't perfect and its implementation was one the worst I have ever seen. The roll-out was grossly incompetent. There is no word to adequately describe how grossly incompetent the roll out was. But with all its problems, Obamacare is light years better than the system it replaced.
 
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Yep: Market exchange is not capable of providing modern medical care to most people.
The State in not capable of providing ANYTHING affordable. Which is why all those Socialistic Paradises you adore over in Europe are going broke. A Free-Market can, and one day will, provide affordable medical care. But this means having a FREE market. Eliminating ALL regulatory-capture and ability to rent-seek.

One more time. A more than qualified medical student is graduating and electing NOT to go into surgery. Why? Because (a) she has enough self-respect not to f*ck her way into a residency and (b) of nearly 500 applicants, the big grand total of 4 is unacceptably too low to wait around for a decade trying to get a spot. How this works out in the State-run medical industry is there's one LESS doctor. One LESS surgeon. One LESS medical service provider. LESS equals more expensive. Which is exactly the way the AMA has designed it.

You can Magic Think all you like, no State is going to magically *POOF* make more doctors appear out of thin air. AND it's the STATE that enforced the current regulatory-capture. What don't you get? It's the State that ensures only 4 new surgeons will be chosen. Not the free-market. In the free-market there's HUGE demand for training. It's insane the amount of work that would open up if we lived in a free-market. But you Authoritarians simply can't imagine people living free. To you it's force or nothing. Violence is the only solution you know of.

Why is that?

The necessary circumstances of a functional free market do not obtain. That has always been the central flaw behind these Romney model capitalist free-market setups.

It's a worthy try, but it's a kludge - this capitalist market stuff is never going to work.
You're babbling again and you have no idea what you're talking about. We don't live in a free society. We don't use sound money. We don't have free-markets. The State and it's violently enforced Regulatory-Capture has destroyed healthcare - not the free-markets. Any sane person would stop relying on the same Mafia that caused this mess to fix it.

Don't worry, ObamaCare is going to implode AND healthcare is going to continue to be more expensive. Welcome to Democratic Socialism in a Government Schooled functionally illiterate Republic.
 
San Francisco Chronicle: CEO is sorry he sold Obamacare

America’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group Inc., is losing so much money on the Affordable Care Act exchange policies it sells in 34 states that CEO Stephen Hemsley apologized to investors in New York on Tuesday. “It was for us a bad decision,” Hemsley said, according to Bloomberg News. UnitedHealth stayed out of the Obamacare market in its first year. “In retrospect, we should have stayed out longer,” Hemsley added. UnitedHealth may get out of the individual market in 2017.

UnitedHealth spokesman Tyler Mason wanted to be clear that Hemsley was not trashing Obamacare; he simply was describing one provider’s experience.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi likes to say that Obamacare is under assault from Republicans who want to destroy the health care program, but it looks as though the program itself — written by Democrats and passed without a single Republican floor vote — is sinking under its own weight.
This is where I would expect some readers to shake their heads and mutter about conservatives not wanting the Affordable Care Act to work. Actually, conservatives understood from the get-go that what President Obama promised would not work. You can’t cut the typical family premiums by $2,500 (didn't happen) annually, as Obama promised in 2007, and let people keep their old health plans (also didn't happen) and let consumers keep the doctors they like, (nope) too. As it turns out, none of those three promises was kept.

The really big lie was Obama’s assertion that he could fund near-universal health care by reducing emergency room visits. “What happens is, you don’t have health insurance, you go to the emergency room. You weren’t getting a checkup. Something that might have been curable with some antibiotics isn’t caught, but by the time you get to the hospital, it’s much more expensive,” he said in 2010.

It turns out that emergency room visits are up, not down, since the requirement to have health coverage took effect, according to a recent poll by the American College of Emergency Physicians.

As I write, I can see some readers concluding that a single-payer plan could work better as it would focus on serving patients, not increasing insurance company profits. Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, a Democrat, was ready to implement single-payer — and then had to admit his plan “might hurt our economy.” Twelve out of the original 23 nonprofit co-ops largely funded by Obamacare will no longer offer policies after this year. With about a third of the co-ops having closed, some half a million Americans have had to scramble for new health care plans. The co-ops claimed they didn’t receive the promised federal support.

In other boardrooms, the news is grim. “All the other big insurers are signaling the same problems,” Ana Gupte, an analyst with Leerink Partners, told the Wall Street Journal.

I’ve never understood how so many smart people could believe the claim that the government could provide more health care to more people — for less money — as Pelosi claimed in 2012 when she told “Meet the Press,” “Everybody will have lower rates, better quality care and better access.” It was magical thinking, and the results are anything but magical.



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It should be noted, before the AMA was given a State-mandated monopolistic control over healthcare, America never had a problem with healthcare. America also didn't have a War On Drugs because *gasp* Americans used to legally own their own bodies. Oh well. No amount of Magic Thinking is going to magically *poof* competent scrupulous doctors in out of the ether - and I know MANY who quit years ago. You're not replacing them. In many cases generational knowledge is all but gone. I know AMA qualified doctors who have a hard time identifying a liver on an X-ray. But they're pretty damn good at passing State-mandated MCQ assessments. I mean, hey, that's something. Which is why it's of no surprise to me, the fact that you being needlessly killed off by your healthcare is the #3 reason you'll die in the USSA. Land of the MOAR Freeeee......
 
San Francisco Chronicle: CEO is sorry he sold Obamacare

America’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group Inc., is losing so much money on the Affordable Care Act exchange policies it sells in 34 states that CEO Stephen Hemsley apologized to investors in New York on Tuesday. “It was for us a bad decision,” Hemsley said, according to Bloomberg News. UnitedHealth stayed out of the Obamacare market in its first year. “In retrospect, we should have stayed out longer,” Hemsley added. UnitedHealth may get out of the individual market in 2017.

UnitedHealth spokesman Tyler Mason wanted to be clear that Hemsley was not trashing Obamacare; he simply was describing one provider’s experience.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi likes to say that Obamacare is under assault from Republicans who want to destroy the health care program, but it looks as though the program itself — written by Democrats and passed without a single Republican floor vote — is sinking under its own weight.
This is where I would expect some readers to shake their heads and mutter about conservatives not wanting the Affordable Care Act to work. Actually, conservatives understood from the get-go that what President Obama promised would not work. You can’t cut the typical family premiums by $2,500 (didn't happen) annually, as Obama promised in 2007, and let people keep their old health plans (also didn't happen) and let consumers keep the doctors they like, (nope) too. As it turns out, none of those three promises was kept.

The really big lie was Obama’s assertion that he could fund near-universal health care by reducing emergency room visits. “What happens is, you don’t have health insurance, you go to the emergency room. You weren’t getting a checkup. Something that might have been curable with some antibiotics isn’t caught, but by the time you get to the hospital, it’s much more expensive,” he said in 2010.

It turns out that emergency room visits are up, not down, since the requirement to have health coverage took effect, according to a recent poll by the American College of Emergency Physicians.

As I write, I can see some readers concluding that a single-payer plan could work better as it would focus on serving patients, not increasing insurance company profits. Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, a Democrat, was ready to implement single-payer — and then had to admit his plan “might hurt our economy.” Twelve out of the original 23 nonprofit co-ops largely funded by Obamacare will no longer offer policies after this year. With about a third of the co-ops having closed, some half a million Americans have had to scramble for new health care plans. The co-ops claimed they didn’t receive the promised federal support.

In other boardrooms, the news is grim. “All the other big insurers are signaling the same problems,” Ana Gupte, an analyst with Leerink Partners, told the Wall Street Journal.

I’ve never understood how so many smart people could believe the claim that the government could provide more health care to more people — for less money — as Pelosi claimed in 2012 when she told “Meet the Press,” “Everybody will have lower rates, better quality care and better access.” It was magical thinking, and the results are anything but magical.

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It should be noted, before the AMA was given a State-mandated monopolistic control over healthcare, America never had a problem with healthcare. America also didn't have a War On Drugs because *gasp* Americans used to legally own their own bodies. Oh well. No amount of Magic Thinking is going to magically *poof* competent scrupulous doctors in out of the ether - and I know MANY who quit years ago. You're not replacing them. In many cases generational knowledge is all but gone. I know AMA qualified doctors who have a hard time identifying a liver on an X-ray. But they're pretty damn good at passing State-mandated MCQ assessments. I mean, hey, that's something. Which is why it's of no surprise to me, the fact that you being needlessly killed off by your healthcare is the #3 reason you'll die in the USSA. Land of the MOAR Freeeee......

You have a habit of ignoring inconvenient facts Michael. It has already been explained to you that United Health's "experiences" with Obamacare hasn't been shared by all insurers. Below is a chart showing actual healthcare cost increases by year and since Obamacare, the increases have been less. That's a fact Michael. As has been discussed ad nauseum over the years, the US healthcare system does have many flaws and inefficiencies. But Obamacare isn't making it worse. To the contrary, it is making it better.

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Below is a chart showing actual healthcare cost increases by year and since Obamacare, the increases have been less. That's a fact Michael. As has been discussed ad nauseum over the years, the US healthcare system does have many flaws and inefficiencies. But Obamacare isn't making it worse. To the contrary, it is making it better.
Let me make sure I have your reasoning correct - price inflation is bad? Is that correct?

Pretty sure in Joe's world inflation is good. Particularly for SlumLords looking to expand business in depressed areas (like Detroit) and needs to pay off some of them there ghetto houses. I mean, the Welfare check only pays so much rent. Needs a bit O' inflation to help a poor slumlord out man :p
 
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PolitiFact: Obamacare created lowest-ever inflation in health care costs

We rate Moore’s statement: Mostly False.
As usual Michael, you are doing a lot of cherry picking. This is the part you left out.


"Our rating

Moore said: "We've had the lowest health care inflation in history because of Obamacare."

There’s an element of truth in her claim, given that the Affordable Care Act is given some credit for the smallest increases in health care inflation on record.

But Moore’s claim gave virtually all the credit to Obamacare, when there isn’t evidence it played that large of a role.

We rate Moore’s statement Mostly False." - Politifact

The unpleasant fact for you is healthcare costs have gone down under Obamacare, per the article you referenced and per the previous material I referenced. And given the recession ended more than 6 years ago and the economy has been growing, and we are now approaching full employment, the pricing restraint caused by recession no longer exist and healthcare cost inflation still remains historically lower.
 
Let me make sure I have your reasoning correct - price inflation is bad? Is that correct?

It depends upon context Michael. The world isn't as simple as you need it to be.

Pretty sure in Joe's world inflation is good. Particularly for SlumLords looking to expand business in depressed areas (like Detroit) and needs to pay off some of them there ghetto houses. I mean, the Welfare check only pays so much rent.

There you go again attacking slum lords which is in direct contradiction to your stated libertarian beliefs. People should be able to freely associate and exchange goods and services. Isn't that what you have been posting here for years? Were it not for slum lords poor people wouldn't have housing unless of course you want to let government house the poor which again runs counter to your libertarian ideology. So in attacking slum lords Michael, you are being more than a little hypocritical. :)
 
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