Nato and US war crimes

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OK: spoiler alert, this seems a tad rad:

Like all illegal wars exclusively pulled off by NATO, the one against Libya has triggered mass murder. Reports from human rights organizations show that the United States, NATO and their vassal “rebels” committed the worst possible war crimes, culminating in the cold-blooded murder of Muammar Qaddafi. Interviews conducted with victims and witnesses in Tripoli, Zawiya, Sibrata, Khoms, Zliten, Misrata and Sirte Tawergha give ample proof that NATO deliberately bombed civilian targets, causing numerous deaths and injuries. This included schools, hospitals, government buildings, food stores and homes. The rebels meanwhile indulged in systematic torture, abuse and revenge killings among Gaddafi sympathizers, while “Black” immigrants were literally butchered.
But the Western media and official war mongers maintain a total silence about these facts since they do not fit into their hypocritical justification for the war, particularly the transparent lie that it was waged for the protection of civilian populations. It is estimated that at least 60,000 people were killed by the NATO attacks while many more were wounded. NATO admits to having carried out in six months some 26,000 missions with 9,600 attacks during which thousands of tons of bombs were dropped.

According to an official investigation the most barbarous acts were committed by the rebels since the end of fighting. Prisoners have been beaten, tortured and executed en masse. The rebels went from house to house and arrested all the men whom they regarded as enemies. There are witness statements that pro-Gaddafi fighters had their fingernails ripped out before their throats were cut.

The human rights group Human Rights Watch (HRW) has accused Libyan rebels to have tortured and killed the former Ambassador to France, Omar Brebesch. After his arrest on 19, January in Tripoli, the body of the 62-year-old was located the following day in the hospital of Sintan some 100 kilometers away. A preliminary investigation showed broken ribs, cuts and torn toenails.
... the human rights organization Amnesty International and the aid organization Doctors Without Borders reported that torture and ill-treatment is widespread among military and security forces and armed rebels who run prisons. For which NATO is responsible since it has brought this band of criminals into power.

The worst thing happened to Black people, no matter if migrants or native Libyans.

They were slaughtered …

from:
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/02/the-war-crimes-of-nato-in-libya/

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veracity?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Unsourced claims made by an author who can't be identified. How about a real source?
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Actually, these allegations were all over the "real" news about five years ago - but nothing seemed to come of it...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/1...national-criminal-court-probe-over-libya.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...to-be-investigated-by-ICC-for-war-crimes.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-icc-idUSTRE7BF08820111216
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/04/libya.war/

The more "mainstream" you get the less focus on NATO's involvement. I'm assuming it never amounted to anything.
 
Sculptor said:
veracity?
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Call it a personal failure, Sculptor, but when it comes to the White Identity movement telling me about "the worst thing happened to Black people", I always wonder about the idea that we're supposed to pretend the people bringing us these stories have exactly no idea who they're dealing with.

It's the strangest pretense.

Look, dude, the Occidental Observer is a White Identity propaganda piece blaming Jews for the decline of Western Civilization. When it comes to their curation of questions about history and black people, the question of veracity is laughable from the outset.

Come on, really? Can you really look us in the eye and tell us you had no idea?
 
sculptor said:
ergo my query: "veracity".
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No, not "ergo" anything. Most of us would have known that source was dodgy from the start.

The question is, did you really not appreciate this before you posted? Or, if you did, why then did you bother?
 
exchemist said:
No, not "ergo" anything. Most of us would have known that source was dodgy from the start.

The question is, did you really not appreciate this before you posted? Or, if you did, why then did you bother?
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You read the link?
You saw the supposed quotes from HRW(Human Rights Watch ) and Amnesty International and the aid organization Doctors Without Borders.

Would you not post claims from those organizations.
Given----------everybody has spin-------the truth is never unclouded.
So------------------------------- how much spin for how much "truth"
ergo:
"veracity"?

War crimes were most likely committed in Libya.
What share of the blame do we own?

(hint) Zero is not an option on the table.
 
Does this maxim have validity?
"Anyone who has once proclaimed violence as his method must inexorably choose lying as his principle"
 
Just think of all the poor, innocent lions and tigers starving in Gadhaffi's abandoned mansions, with no political prisoners or other sources of protein left in sight.
 
CptBork said:
Just think of all the poor, innocent lions and tigers starving in Gadhaffi's abandoned mansions, with no political prisoners or other sources of protein left in sight.
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Does this fall under the heading:
"Vilify the victim"?
 
CptBork said:
Are you actually trying to make Gadhaffi out to be a victim, based on alleged quotes as published on a white supremacist site?
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You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
from the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/15/global-justice-nato-libya
"Nato's UN mandate was to protect civilians, the alliance in practice turned that mission on its head. Throwing its weight behind one side in a civil war to oust Gaddafi's regime, it became the air force for the rebel militias on the ground. So while the death toll was perhaps between 1,000 and 2,000 when Nato intervened in March, by October it was estimated by the NTC to be 30,000 – including thousands of civilians.
... we do know that Nato provided decisive air cover for the rebels as they matched Gaddafi's forces war crime for war crime, carried out massacres of their own and indiscriminately shelled civilian areas with devastating results – such as reduced much of Sirte to rubble last October.

There were also Nato and Qatari boots on the ground, including British special forces, co-ordinating rebel operations. So Nato certainly shared responsibility for the deaths of many more civilian than its missiles directly incinerated."

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/nato-accused-of-war-crimes-in-libya-6291566.html
An independent report published by Middle Eastern human rights groups says there is evidence that war crimes and human rights violations were committed by all the participants – Nato, rebel forces

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tip of the iceberg dadio
However:
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

There ain't been a wa in the last century and a half that didn't involve civilian casualties.
If we go around bombing and shooting up women and children and other civilians, just how much collateral damage is OK?

What are our leaders playing at?
Are you OK with this rampant murder spree conducted in your name?
 
sculptor said:
Does this maxim have validity?
"Anyone who has once proclaimed violence as his method must inexorably choose lying as his principle"
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Probably. Which is why the liberals in the US who were trying to stop W&Cheney from lying the US into land wars in the oil fields of Asia Minor should have received major support from any "conservatives" with actual principles. Even the ones who had been so thoroughly conned by Reagan and Gingrich and Rove, even the ones who had spent the previous 8 years hounding the Clintons for being Democrats while they advanced the realistic items on Reagan's agenda, should have seen right through the W administration.

Instead, they were fired, hounded, slandered, dismissed as traitors and losers, and beaten soundly at the polls. Which is how we got to where we are now.

So it's fine to develop a conscience twenty years late, and dredge up the liberal and lefty rhetoric of 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and yes, 2016. Like this:
There ain't been a wa in the last century and a half that didn't involve civilian casualties.
If we go around bombing and shooting up women and children and other civilians, just how much collateral damage is OK?

What are our leaders playing at?
Are you OK with this rampant murder spree conducted in your name?
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Welcome aboard.

Just don't use it as a pretext to elect any current Republican politician to office.
 
sculptor said:
You read the link?
You saw the supposed quotes from HRW(Human Rights Watch ) and Amnesty International and the aid organization Doctors Without Borders.

Would you not post claims from those organizations.
Given----------everybody has spin-------the truth is never unclouded.
So------------------------------- how much spin for how much "truth"
ergo:
"veracity"?

War crimes were most likely committed in Libya.
What share of the blame do we own?

(hint) Zero is not an option on the table.
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Mate, I would not waste my time posting anything from a source like this.
 
ergo:
OK: spoiler alert, this seems a tad rad:

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I could give a damn where the material is found.
the links to hrw and dwb discourse made the read worthwhile
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Would yo have been a tad more sanguine if the material were from the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0913/Libyan-rebels-tarnished-by-human-rights-report
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Foreign Forces Were on the Ground in Libya prior to any type of U.N. Approval

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 only passed, because Moscow and Beijing abstained. This was a tactical move meant to limit the war.

If the resolution had been vetoed by Russia and China, in all likelihood, the U.S., Britain, France, Italy (and the Western European members of NATO) would have resorted to “other means,” including an outright invasion. By abstaining and getting the NATO powers to vocally invest themselves to U.N. Resolution 1973 and to hide behind it, Moscow and Beijing managed to limit the options of the Pentagon and NATO.

The efforts of Moscow and Beijing, however, have not hindered Washington and its NATO allies from breaching international law or U.N. Resolution 1973. Washington has casually admitted that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was on the ground supporting rebel forces. According to Washington, the involvement of U.S. intelligence agents in Libya started as soon as the U.S. embassy in Tripoli was closed. [1] February 25, 2011, is the date that the U.S. embassy in Tripoli was reported as being closed. [2]

This is a casual omission that the U.S. had violated international law and was operating on the ground in Libya before any U.N. approval. Moreover, Italy had opened its military bases to use by the U.S., Britain, and France before any U.N. approval by repudiating its non-aggression pact with Libya on February 27, 2011. [3] In other words, the war against Libya had already begun.

Unnamed U.S. officials even told Reuters that U.S. intelligence operations were underway in Libya before President Obama signed a secret order in March 2011 that authorized covert U.S. actions against the Libyan government. [4] The U.S. was not alone in operating in Libya. It has been reported that dozens of British agents and commandos from MI6, the Special Air Services (SAS) unit, and the Special Boat Services (SBS) units were also operating inside Libya. [5]
from:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-s-secret-ground-war-in-libya/24746

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Bottom line: What nato did in Libya was criminal.
And the tragedy ain't over yet.......

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what goes round comes round
 
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