My new Guinea Pig Role

ThazzarBaal

ThazzarBaal

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My mother was a smoker. My father was a smoker. I grew up in a smokers home and frequented businesses filled with smoke. I started smoking when I was 15. I'll be 54 next month.

Mom died in her 60's ... Lung complications. Dad quit smoking, but I didn't. That's my new Guinea pig role. Testing human adaptability and immunity increase as a generational smoker. It's part of my natural biological ecosystem.

I'm doing ok so far but I had to get away from the smokey rooms and increase my exercise. No health issues to date. I'm actually doing well. I'm guessing this is due to mom and dad being a smokers and me being formed from by and from them.

Natural science
 
ThazzarBaal said:
My mother was a smoker. My father was a smoker. I grew up in a smokers home and frequented businesses filled with smoke. I started smoking when I was 15. I'll be 54 next month.

Mom died in her 60's ... Lung complications. Dad quit smoking, but I didn't. That's my new Guinea pig role. Testing human adaptability and immunity increase as a generational smoker. It's part of my natural biological ecosystem.

I'm doing ok so far but I had to get away from the smokey rooms and increase my exercise. No health issues to date. I'm actually doing well. I'm guessing this is due to mom and dad being a smokers and me being formed from by and from them.

Natural science
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For investigating health effects, a sample of one is not doing science. Whatever the outcome, it will show nothing useful.
 
ThazzarBaal said:
. I'm guessing this is due to mom and dad being a smokers and me being formed from by and from them
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Unfortunately it does not work like that. When you smoke you injure lungs, heart and circulatory system.
Whether you become ill will be the result of how well your tissues and cells respond.
Particulates from cigarette smoke in your lungs will initiate an immune/inflammatory response, your cells trying to clear the debris via mucus, damaged cells can die and be replaced or repaired. Repair involves fibrous tissue rather than functional tissue so your gaseous exchange is reduced.
Cell damage can involve the DNA via carcinogens which can lead to more serious illnesses.
Damage elsewhere in the body can result in serious illness.

It is Russian roulette.

Quitting at 54 is better than not quitting.
 
George Burns smoked 10-15 El Producto cigars for more than 70 years and lived to 100. You just never know.
 
ThazzarBaal said:
My mother was a smoker. My father was a smoker. I grew up in a smokers home and frequented businesses filled with smoke. I started smoking when I was 15. I'll be 54 next month.

Mom died in her 60's ... Lung complications. Dad quit smoking, but I didn't. That's my new Guinea pig role. Testing human adaptability and immunity increase as a generational smoker. It's part of my natural biological ecosystem.

I'm doing ok so far but I had to get away from the smokey rooms and increase my exercise. No health issues to date. I'm actually doing well. I'm guessing this is due to mom and dad being a smokers and me being formed from by and from them.

Natural science
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I'm all for [cautiously and critically] discovering via personal experiences how one deviates from the mythical or statistical product of the "average person"[1] -- i.e., exploring individual uniqueness.

I've done quite a bit of that with respect to myself (both voluntarily and involuntarily). Successful remedies and approaches (limited to moi) that I'd never waste my time unethically proposing to others who are obviously flagrantly fragile health wise -- those allergic to everything under the sun, prone to radical indigestion with respect to even mild dietary departures, would lose a limb from snakebite if not seeking professional medical help, etc.

But self-experimentation is not going to establish what the attributes of the vital "general human being" are -- and more precisely, what works or doesn't work for that mean, that creature of standard. Hatched from data accumulation and inference.

An entity quantitatively existing on paper that is absolutely essential to the medical and health industry in terms of reducing risk of litigation, heavy fines, charges of capitalistic recklessness, moral controversy, and enduring notoriety. Long may it sit upon its throne, for the safety and benefit of the masses.

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[1] Does the average person really exist?
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/does-the-average-person-really-exist
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The strange power of the idea of “average”
https://timharford.com/2019/08/the-strange-power-of-the-idea-of-average/

INTRO: “While nothing is more uncertain than a single life, nothing is more certain than the average duration of a thousand lives.” The statement is often attributed to the 19th-century mathematician Elizur Wright, who not coincidentally was a life insurance geek. But buried in the aphorism is a humdrum word concealing a powerful idea: the “average”.

The idea of taking an average — that is, of adding up (say) a hundred lifespans and dividing the total by a hundred, to produce the arithmetic mean — seems absurdly simple. But Stephen Stigler, a historian of statistics, reckons it is the most radical statistical operation ever devised. I am inclined to agree. The mean has a strange power over the way we think, and not always a benign one...
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exchemist said:
For investigating health effects, a sample of one is not doing science. Whatever the outcome, it will show nothing useful.
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Generational ... Ongoing and with vitals checked frequently, etc. it will eventually show enough evidence to show progress or nothing. I'll suggest mom didn't die in vain or for nothing. I'll keep it up. There's plenty of us out here who grew the same. We do procreate also. One generation may not be enough, but were 3 in already, and immunities or greater tolerances should develop over time. I'd prefer to show this able rather than a hopeless and needless sacrifice.
 
And even without scientific documentation based on study, it would be worth it for the greater tolerances and potential immunities moving forward. Hell, people wash they're hands so much they risk never truly developing immunity abilities individually. Entire tribes have been wiped out by the common cold in some areas. Immune deficiencies are a plague and the genetics that follow no less a threat to our race than. I loath vegetarians and vegans or rather I pity them. They'll screw they're digestive abilities up beyond ability to digest what we've developed and evolved to be able to digest. It's like reversing survival success rates based on a misguided conscience.

"I don't agree with eating meat."

I'm like " where are you from"

Get real ... We're killing ourselves for our misdirected judgements.
 
(Q) said:
George Burns smoked 10-15 El Producto cigars for more than 70 years and lived to 100. You just never know.
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Never for certain but we can make informed guesses. What % of lung cancers are the result of smoking?

www.cdc.gov

Lung Cancer Risk Factors

Tobacco smoke, radon, and other things can increase your risk.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

and COPD?

www.lung.org

What Causes COPD

Over time, exposure to irritants that damage your lungs and airways can cause chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema.
www.lung.org www.lung.org
 
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Pinball1970 said:
Never for certain but we can make informed guesses. What % of lung cancers are the result of smoking?
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Totally get that and couldn't agree more. Did you know Keith Richards changed his name from Adam. Fred Flintstone had a poster of Keith on his bedroom wall when he was a kid.
 
I quit cold-turkey back in the 80s. 74 in a few weeks. Wouldn't be around if I had kept on smoking.

Smokers, check the windows in your car if you smoke in it. See that film? That is also in your lungs. And you don't park your lungs in the garage, so the film goes indoors with you. And accumulates.
 
ThazzarBaal said:
. Entire tribes have been wiped out by the common cold in some areas.
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What tribes? Citation? And this relates to health effects and epigenetics of smoking how?

ThazzarBaal said:
vegetarians and vegans... They'll screw they're digestive abilities up beyond ability to digest what we've developed and evolved to be able to digest. It's like reversing survival success rates based on a misguided conscience.
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Citation?
 
ThazzarBaal said:
Generational ... Ongoing and with vitals checked frequently, etc. it will eventually show enough evidence to show progress or nothing. I'll suggest mom didn't die in vain or for nothing. I'll keep it up. There's plenty of us out here who grew the same. We do procreate also. One generation may not be enough, but were 3 in already, and immunities or greater tolerances should develop over time. I'd prefer to show this able rather than a hopeless and needless sacrifice.
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You do not get 'immune' to these chemicals in tobacco smoke, this is not an infectious disease. They initiate inflammation and are mutagenic and carcinogenic. This is biochemistry and the cellular basis of disease and you cannot change that.
It is Lamarckian perspective to think that getting lung cancer in one generation will help the next.

You may as well say Whitney Houston died by falling asleep drunk/drugged in the bath therefore her kid will have some protection from that same fate.
Tim Buckley too, no chance his kid will die from heroin OD?

EDIT: Jeff Buckley drowned, no drugs.
 
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Gawdzilla Sama said:
I quit cold-turkey back in the 80s. 74 in a few weeks. Wouldn't be around if I had kept on smoking.

Smokers, check the windows in your car if you smoke in it. See that film? That is also in your lungs. And you don't park your lungs in the garage, so the film goes indoors with you. And accumulates.
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I quit in my 30s but not before I had damaged my lungs.
 
Pinball1970 said:
I quit in my 30s but not before I had damaged my lungs.
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Bummer. I have asbestosis, hasn't transition to mesothelioma* and at my age it probably won't. If I hadn't quit in my 30s' it probably would have.

QUIT NOW, YOU MORONS!

*Bleep me, I spelled that without having to look it up.
 
Never looked at any data comparing effects of American cigarettes vs cigarettes everywhere else. American cigarettes, of course, have tobacco and added poison, i.e. "chemicals", for added "flavor" and to reduce the non-existent "harshness"--how the fuck is that even legal? Even with American brands sold in the UK and Europe, they don't even allow that shit.

I smoke hand-rolled tobacco, and have only ever smoked that. Every once in a great while I have to smoke a manufactured cigarette for whatever reason: they taste like pure crap, yet you almost immediately feel this weird craving to smoke another one. Don't get that with hand-rolled proper tobacco. Ain't great either way, obviously, but still better than the manufactured stuff and it addresses neurological issues no med has ever done a damn thing for and makes me slightly less of an asshole, probably.
 
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