What's the murder rate in Mumbai? And the rape rate? I suppose it would also be nice to know the conviction rates for those crimes, too.
Baron Max
Muslim Prez, Sikh PM, Christian Power Center: It happens only in India?!
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What's the murder rate in Mumbai? And the rape rate? I suppose it would also be nice to know the conviction rates for those crimes, too.
Baron Max
Please indicate what bribery and corruption were involved in the election of a Muslim president, a Sikh Prime Minister and an Italian Christian Indian National Congress President in a country where more than 70% of the people are of the Hindu dharma.
What does the crime rate in Mumbai have to do with the secular nature of the people? Are you saying being a religious but secular country increases the rate of crime?
The crime rate in Mumbai is horrible, horrible! Every street corner is filled with people who tote guns and shoot down Texans just for kicks. Sometimes they even torture them by making them use the public transport full of sweaty smelly people of color!!! Thats what makes it the most popular destination in India too!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the crime rates show a good indication of how well the general population views the basic government of the cities and nation. If the laws and the courts are fair and just, people tend to side strongly with the government and police, thus are also helpful in fighting crime. With the whole city population watching and caring, the crime rates are always low.
So .....whats the murder and rape rates in Mumbai? And what's the conviction rates for those crimes?
Baron Max
Huh? You're speaking from a perspective of a rich country. India still has a large poor population. Crime and justice are important, but getting food on the table, an affordable education and healthcare, civic amenities and a job to pay for all these things is a little higher on the scale.
Rape and murder in Bombay? I honestly don't know, no idea if there are statistics online either. But its a city with an active night life and women travel alone at all hours, so its considered pretty safe. I do it myself all the time without a second thought. Do people get raped robbed and murdered? Of course, its the most popular destination for locals and tourists and anyone who wants to have a better life without leaving the country. The population is overwhelming.
The cops in Mumbai are the best in India. Our C.I.D. has been compared to Scotland Yard for their investigative abilities. The judiciary is still swamped and justice is slow, so we need extensive reforms there.
edit: I found a newspaper report. Mumbai contributes to 10% of urban crime in India with a conviction rate between 45 to 68%.
The reason I said it was because its obvious that a Roman Catholic woman could not possibly be elected in a country of Muslims and Hindus. A Sikh, I can understand, a Muslim, I can understand, but a Christian?
There must have been some bribery involved.
I don't have the statistics, and I'm wasn't very serious about that post, but it seems to me that a Hindu country would elect Hindu leaders.
There must have been some bribery involved.
I don't have the statistics, and I'm wasn't very serious about that post, but it seems to me that a Hindu country would elect Hindu leaders.
Haven't you lived in India? Whoever thinks of religion during elections? Even the success of the BJP was a reflection of the failure of the Congress, i.e. to punish the Congress for their ineptitude rather than reward the BJP.
The first time the BJP won a majority,it was in 1996 (almost 50 years after independence when Congress was at an all time low) and it was forced to resign in 13 months. The second time they formed a coalition in order to be able to form a government, which again fell apart due to internal squabbles in one year. The third time, they put their fundamentalist leanings on a back burner and promoted themselves as nation builders with Vajpayee a known moderate as the fielded Prime Minister; he began to work for the country, improving relations with Pakistan. But the Gujarat riots in 2002 and the Tehelka scam of 2000 was all it was needed for the people to decide that fundamentalism is not for India. And they suffered a crushing defeat in 2004 (the same year Sonia took charge of the Congress), because the people want a government that functions and builds, not divides and destroys.
And even the BJP which is such a strongly conservative Hindu party has this view:
Absolutely.
Anyway I think its good to have several ideologies turn by turn. Keeps everyone on their toes.
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Had I asked about the number of police tazer incidents in, say, Detroit, you could have dug up about a gazillion websites with a gazillion incidents to "prove" that America and American cops are vicious, nasty, deadly, horrid creatures. But for something simple like the crime stats in Bombay, you can't find a thing?? ...LOL!!
And probably there have never, ever, been any citizen complaints about police corruption or police brutality or police using deadly force, right? And they probably don't carry weapons, and the criminals stop immediately when the cops tell them to, right?
Very good, Sam! Now ...10% of what??? ...LOL!
Since India is such a paradise of human goodwill and charity and compassion and love for all mankind, then my guess would be that there's ....oh, say, 10 tiny little crimes in all of India? So Bombay has 1 crime?
No warts on India ...but you can find warts all over America, can't you? And you do it on a regular basis. But it seems that it's a bit more difficult to see and talk about ones own warts, ain't it?
Baron Max
Nope I can't!
I wish they'd put everything online, they are too understaffed and under funded though, so its not gonna happen soon. But if you can find any, I'll be happy to discuss them. It would be nice to get an input on what changes would be helpful. We still have some laws on paper that are terribly outdated.
Actually there have. Police brutality is one of the issues in Indian justice that need to be addressed. Where on the one hand we have policemen who conduct "encounters" to get rid of known criminals (a form of vigilantism that receives a lot of bad press) on the other hand we also have cops who fight for the right of prisoners to be given condoms to protect themselves from AIDS, acknowledging that men are as prone to rape in prison and deserve the choice of being able to protect themselves from disease.
Lucky you, I found it out, its 177 per 100,000, which considering a population of 12-15 million is a lot of crime.
Don't be fooled. A British tourist who accosted a woman was beaten to death by her husband last week. Its not all milk and honey.
No one's stopping you from finding warts in India are they? I would love to discuss them, if you like.
Yes!
How did you guess?
lol, I remember you talking about a beach and how you sometimes bump into Bollywood stars!
lol, I remember you talking about a beach and how you sometimes bump into Bollywood stars!
lol they are a dime a dozen here!
Grrrrr! I spent five and a half hours getting back into the same plane after refueling at Heathrow on New years Eve! Anyone who thinks British security at airports is lax will have their eardrums blasted by my screech. I have made a firm resolution NEVER to go via London again!I am incredibly lucky I was travelling Air India. None of the other air carriers waited and lots of people missed their connections
On the other hand, I love British literature and culture. So I will definitely visit Britain sometime soon!
Grrrrr! I spent five and a half hours getting back into the same plane after refueling at Heathrow on New years Eve! Anyone who thinks British security at airports is lax will have their eardrums blasted by my screech. I have made a firm resolution NEVER to go via London again!
Sam, British security first-rate, they brought some tanks down to Heathrow a while back (lol), officials said some terrorists had plans but once they saw the tanks they had a change of heart.
Bwahahahaha - hilarious
That is where the difference is, Ayodhya.
Typically you would expect a Hindu majority country would elect Hindu leaders, but doesn't this show peoples' maturity?
You are assuming bribery must have been involved, but this is people vote.
Well, the topic is about maturity of people in terms of choosing leaders regardless of communal inclinations; and you are merely India-bashing!
I faintly see that it is more of samcdkey-bashing!!
On a proportional basis, crime in Mumbai and India in general is much lesser than the West. I have never seen people sitting in street corners with guns, nor have I heard of school children shooting teachers in Mumbai.
Mumbai has a 1/17 th of crime rate of New York:
New York: 3000 crimes per 100,000 people - the lowest in years (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/VitaliyShchupak2.shtml)
Mumbai: 177 per 100,000
And from: http://www.tribuneindia.com/1999/99dec27/edit.htm
BTW, I think crime rate has little to with our topic on election of leaders.
Thanks.
Well, the topic is about maturity of people in terms of choosing leaders regardless of communal inclinations; and you are merely India-bashing!
I faintly see that it is more of samcdkey-bashing!!
On a proportional basis, crime in Mumbai and India in general is much lesser than the West. I have never seen people sitting in street corners with guns, nor have I heard of school children shooting teachers in Mumbai.
Mumbai has a 1/17 th of crime rate of New York:
New York: 3000 crimes per 100,000 people - the lowest in years (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/VitaliyShchupak2.shtml)
Mumbai: 177 per 100,000
And from: http://www.tribuneindia.com/1999/99dec27/edit.htm
BTW, I think crime rate has little to with our topic on election of leaders.
Thanks.
Interesting differences in perspective:
CIA has an eye on him, neverthless.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/chiefs/chiefs81.html
and do people in India seem to forget easily the many terrorist attacks that happened during his reign? or does that not affect his ratings?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/11/mumbai.blasts/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/10/29/india.explosion/index.html
of course its ULFA to blame...but president's duty is to protect the citizens...to protect the Indians...how is this justified? :bugeye: