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[S.A.M.]

The problem with Palestine is they don't have enough arms. They need an army and weapons to defend themselves from the Israeli occupation. Thats been their problem from the very beginning. They should probably take lessons from the Hezbullah.

 

[GeoffP]

When your children are targets you need to keep them alive before you can think of feeding them. Even a dumb animal knows that.

Does that extend to Jews in the period 670-1948? Also, if I send my kids out to throw rocks at tanks, is it the soldiers to blame or me?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

The problem with Palestine is they don't have enough arms. They need an army and weapons to defend themselves from the Israeli occupation. Thats been their problem from the very beginning. They should probably take lessons from the Hezbullah.

No, the problem is that the Palestinians would rather watch their children starve and die, than make peace and feed their children.

If they had a army and more weapons, it would do nothing to feed the children, that is the problem they would rather buy weapons
and persue a hopeless war than feed their children and build a country.

Again it is their choice, the Palestinains have a choice of:

Continue a War that every time they shoot at the Israelis, the Israelis close the borders and retaliate and you get more children starving and dying.

Children Starving-----Stop the War use the money to Feed the Children.

A choice of starving children or a army and weapons, and you still have starving children.

Yes, such a hard decission.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

When your children are targets you need to keep them alive before you can think of feeding them. Even a dumb animal knows that.

No, a dumb animal doesn't know that, they live in the absolute now, and if their offspring dies they have another one the next breeding season, their grief is short, and quickly forgotten, once over the next hill all is gone.

Watch a herd, and see just how much they grieve over a loss of one of the herd, all they care about is that they end up surviving to continue the herd, and pass on their genes for the survival of the herd.

Breath, Eat, shit, Breed, and die in their turn, that is all they are programmed to do, follow their breeding, follow the seasons, follow the migration, nothing more nothing less.

 

[S.A.M.]

Not when they are surrounded by predators. I bet if you put the herd in an enclosure and surrounded them with predators all around them, their behaviour would change. In fact, I bet if members of the herd were killed in the presence of the others on a daily basis in that enclosure by letting in predators at regular intervals and letting them loose, their behaviour would change.

 

[GeoffP]

Funnily enough, that sounds like the Jewish experience of being a "protected people" in dar-al-islam.

 

[S.A.M.]

Not at all. Since they come running in their direction when gassed.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to run towards a predator. You run away from them.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Not when they are surrounded by predators. I bet if you put the herd in an enclosure and surrounded them with predators all around them, their behaviour would change. In fact, I bet if members of the herd were killed in the presence of the others on a daily basis in that enclosure by letting in predators at regular intervals and letting them loose, their behaviour would change.

It wouldn't change one little bit, the only reaction would be flight, that is what is programmed into their genes the one attacked would fight, but the rest would run, and once the calf was down, the female would abandon it, join the herd.

But that is not what you opined:

Originally Posted by S.A.M.
When your children are targets you need to keep them alive before you can think of feeding them. Even a dumb animal knows that.

 

[GeoffP]

Not at all. Since they come running in their direction when gassed.

Uh, you also run towards home apparently. If they'd wanted persecution and outright evil, they could have gone to Afghanistan or Pakistan, you see. It's funny: you make out all the time that they were coming to liberate their brethren in "Palestine" with some evil, sneaky, nefarious plot (oh, those tricksy Jewish people!), but now simultaneously want to pretend that they were running towards Arabs for protection. It doesn't wash. To wit:

You'd have to be pretty dumb to run towards a predator. You run away from them.

 

[S.A.M.]

Uh, you also run towards home apparently.:

Home, after 2000 years. Lebensraum.

 

[GeoffP]

Well, which is it, Sam?

Come on, make up your mind for once.

 

[S.A.M.]

Running towards people who do not shut the gates when you are being gassed --->common sense, not suicide by predator.

Considering a place you have not visited for 2000 years as home ---->Lebensraum

Having to explain all this to Geoff in one sentence constructions ----->priceless.

 

[GeoffP]

Running towards a place where your ancestors come from ---> search for safe niche

Considering a place your people originate from ----> not unreasonable

Sam's blithe ignorance of the brutal treatment of Jewish minorities while casting about anti-Semitic notions that could have been copied from Storm front ---> standard, really

 

[S.A.M.]

Running towards a place where your ancestors come from ---> search for safe niche

Still hanging on to 2000 year old ancestors----->wtf?

Considering a place your people originate from ----> not unreasonable

Still hanging on to 2000 year old origin---->wtf?

Sam's blithe ignorance of the brutal treatment of Jewish minorities while casting about anti-Semitic notions that could have been copied from Storm front ---> standard, really

Whining about prejudice while spitting in people's faces and considering them unclean for the dinner table---->priceless!

 

[GeoffP]

Yeah, yeah Sam. That's what Jewish people are running around doing. Yeah. Brilliant.

 

[S.A.M.]

And for 2000 years ----->wtf?

 

[ElectricFetus]

And for 2000 years ----->wtf?

What for 2000 years?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Still hanging on to 2000 year old ancestors----->wtf?

And the Muslims are any different?

Still hanging on to 2000 year old origin---->wtf?

Actually the Jewish history is first reported in 1200 BCE, and counting the 2008 CE, that is alread 3000+ years of history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

"Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora". New York Times. May 9 2000. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02E0D71338F93AA35756C0A9669C8B63.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02E0D71338F93AA35756C0A9669C8B63

A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population", and suggested that "most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora".[23] Researchers expressed surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world.

Moreover, DNA tests have demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage in most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years than in other populations.[24] The findings lend support to traditional Jewish accounts accrediting their founding to exiled Israelite populations, and counters theories that many or most of the world's Jewish populations were founded by entirely gentile populations that adopted the Jewish faith, as in the notable case of the historic Khazars.[24][25] Although groups such as the Khazars could have been absorbed into modern Jewish populations — in the Khazars' case, absorbed into the Ashkenazim — it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazi Jews, and much less that they were the genesis of the Ashkenazim.[26]

Whining about prejudice while spitting in people's faces and considering them unclean for the dinner table---->priceless!

The exactly what you continually do, Whining about prejudice while spitting in people's faces ---->priceless!

Just read your post in this thread, all you have done is spit on the Jewish history, and genome, question their Jewishness, and their right to the claim of being Jew.

 

[S.A.M.]

I was talking about the 2000 year "exile", but carry on.

their right to the claim of being Jew.

Why is that right defined by ethnicity/land? Isn't that racism? What would you say if Christians did the same? Would you support such a move? Do you think a right to be Jewish should include the right to spit on the crucifix?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

I was talking about the 2000 year "exile", but carry on.

Yes, a history of exile that predates the Arabs conquering the area after Mohammed started his Johnny come lately religion.

Islam didn't appear until 620 CE, and the Lands of Israel came under Muslim control in 640.

The Jews were still their, came under the Dhimmitude, the Jews have had a continuos presence in the land of Israel for over 4000 years, and have the longest Diaspora of any nation in the world, they have the Right of Return, even as out lined by U.N. Resolution 181 in 1947, and UNR 194.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) article 13 states that "everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."

Israel is Historically and in actuality, the home land of the Jews, it has always been such, and they have the right of return now, since they now have the freedom, and the ability to return.

The Palestinians have forfeited that right because they refuse to return to their land and live in peace as stated by,

Article 11, which resolved:

... that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

Which the Palestinian Arabs refused to do.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

The defeat of the Great Jewish Revolt in the year 70 CE and of Bar Kokhba's revolt in 135 CE against the Roman Empire notably contributed to the numbers and geography of the diaspora, as many Jews were scattered after losing control over Judea or were sold into slavery throughout the empire.

Why is that right defined by ethnicity/land? Isn't that racism? What would you say if Christians did the same? Would you support such a move?

Isn't that the same thing you argue for the Palestinians...

right defined by ethnicity/land?

Your keep squawking about it being the land of Palestine and belonging to the Palestinians.

Do you think a right to be Jewish should include the right to spit on the crucifix?

Believe it or not, that is what we call freedom of speech and religion in this country and it is protected by the Constitution.