Multiple terror attacks in Mumbai

[Mr.Spock]

Muslims don't shy away from taking responsibility. Sincere Muslims are harsh on themselves, trust me.

I too am waiting for a day when Israelis take responsibility and realise their country is hated by most because of what they themselves do, there is no global conspiracy to kill Jews. When Israel sticks its nose into places like Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria etc. they must expect a reaction. Their intentions are not sincere and everyone knows it.

so harsh they blame everything on Israel. muslims brutally killed israelis in habad house and its israel fault. you guys are so pathetic, i dont get it how the world bends for you.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Muslims don't shy away from taking responsibility. Sincere Muslims are harsh on themselves, trust me.

I too am waiting for a day when Israelis take responsibility and realise their country is hated by most because of what they themselves do, there is no global conspiracy to kill Jews. When Israel sticks its nose into places like Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria etc. they must expect a reaction. Their intentions are not sincere and everyone knows it.

When Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, stick their noses into Israeli business, turnabout is fair exchange.

Even before 1948 the Arabs have been sticking their nose's into Jewish affaires.

The Muslims have a long history of Reinrassig, when it comes to the Jews, they perfected the ideology centuries before Hitler and the Nazis ever came along.

The only difference is that it is about religion that the Muslims are such sticklers about Reinrassig, pure Islamic Hearitage, all others religions are unmensch.

 

[GeoffP]

Is that supposed to be a joke? If you really where in the army, did you fail your GCSEs or something? Better than stacking shelves at Tesco I suppose.

Hehe. I did it out of a sense of something called patriotism. Love of country. You may have heard of it possibly, although I appreciate it's not something you understand.

(I do thank you for your kind inquiries after my career ambitions however - I assure you my new work is far more lofty. Both than the army...and your career, come to think of it. )

I wonder how many innocents the soldiers happened to kill, there must have been some quite a few.

Ahh, there's that willing supposition again. "Must have". "Had do be". "I need a reason to equivocate". And so forth.

Support of religious terrorism? Rotfl. proof?

Your blithe defense of the terrorists, possibly? Not to worry, not to worry, it's hardly noticeable. "Poor little boys...one no older than 21 summers...sigh". Hehe. Do you get points in the afterlife for slavishly falling at their feet, then, as they gunned down the battle-hardened shoppers and tourists?

You're an arse, and a sad one.

 

[Ghost_007]

Your blithe defense of the terrorists, possibly? Not to worry, not to worry, it's hardly noticeable. "Poor little boys...one no older than 21 summers...sigh". Hehe. Do you get points in the afterlife for slavishly falling at their feet, then, as they gunned down the battle-hardened shoppers and tourists?

You're an arse, and a sad one.

Let me make my position crystal clear.

In Islam there is never any justification for harming or killing an innocent person, no attack against a civilian is allowed, even during a war. Those mateys committed a major crime and sin in Islam, they are not heroes or warriors, gunning down innocent people that had no chance of defending themselves is cowardly and just wrong in every possible way. Some Muslims may do the most craziest things however to tar all Muslims with the same brush and automatically assume Muslims support such atrocities is nuts (though it tends to be the same characters that tend to do this).

 

[iceaura]

In Islam there is never any justification for harming or killing an innocent person, no attack against a civilian is allowed, even during a war.

Other Muslims disagree with you there. Or they have clever ways of defining "innocent", or something.

We have to deal with any religion as is, not as should be.

 

[GeoffP]

Let me make my position crystal clear.

In Islam there is never any justification for harming or killing an innocent person, no attack against a civilian is allowed, even during a war.

So why do you slaver over their memories? Your sympathetic adjectives don't seem to extend to the victims of the terrorists; the terrorists meanwhile are "poor, little boys, one only a sweet 21 summers old. :bawl:"

Frankly, what I find is that there's formal damnation by islamicists (Finsbury Park Mosque and MPACUK springs to mind) but tacit adoration and empathy. But that's just the facts of it. Don't let it bother you.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

So why do you slaver over their memories? Your sympathetic adjectives don't seem to extend to the victims of the terrorists; the terrorists meanwhile are "poor, little boys, one only a sweet 21 summers old. :bawl:"

Frankly, what I find is that there's formal damnation by islamicists (Finsbury Park Mosque and MPACUK springs to mind) but tacit adoration and empathy. But that's just the facts of it. Don't let it bother you.

Careful Geoff, I got slamed fro trying to point that out.

But the fact are what they are, and you have good insite into them.

 

[S.A.M.]

This from people who run torture camps where they torture people to death. And consider Iraq a "mistake" because they lost 100 bn there. Heh.

 

[GeoffP]

Ah. So it is about sympathy. That's what I thought.

Torture? Lots of that in Pakistan. Iran. Afghanistan. Malaysia. Would you describe all that as a mistake?

 

[S.A.M.]

Ah. So it is about sympathy. That's what I thought.

?

Because that is what your relationship to American torture is? Or do you not "support the troops"?

 

[GeoffP]

?? What is it I'm meant to support exactly?

So: Pakistan. Iran. Afghanistan. Malaysia. Would you describe all that as a mistake?

 

[S.A.M.]

Whats a mistake? US funding of extremist groups and support for Saudi Arabian despotism? Yeah. Don't you?

 

[GeoffP]

You seem to be changing the topic from the changed topic. Which you changed.

Anyway: why do you and Toast have this...lingering, fawning sympathy for the terrorists? Toast likes to puff up and talk about how the terrorists held off the Indian army...forgetting completely (until I reminded him) that the terrorists had been mostly shooting innocent civilians, which aren't exactly battle-hardened soldiers. So: what's the story? Why can't you and Toast damn them unequivocally?

 

[S.A.M.]

I'm not changing teh topic. Note that the terrorists in Mumbai were searching for Americans and British subjects.

 

[GeoffP]

Huh. They seem to have settled for Indians, mostly. And Jewish people, for some reason that I'm sure is inexplicable. So, again:

why do you and Toast have this...lingering, fawning sympathy for the terrorists? Toast likes to puff up and talk about how the terrorists held off the Indian army...forgetting completely (until I reminded him) that the terrorists had been mostly shooting innocent civilians, which aren't exactly battle-hardened soldiers. So: what's the story? Why can't you and Toast damn them unequivocally?

You didn't answer the above before. Just a reminder.

 

[S.A.M.]

I think I have already made my sentiments on the criminals very clear. I wonder why you want to make it about religion.

 

[GeoffP]

What were those sentiments? I recall something from both of you about how young the terrorists were, and how sad it all was. Could you link to your statement please.

 

[S.A.M.]

Read the thread. I still think its sad that young men in their 20s are being utilised like this. Just like I think it is sad that most IDF soldiers die from suicide.

Am I supposed to apologise for feeling sorry for the circumstances that create these incidents? I feel equally sad for the 17 year olds recruited by the LTTE.

But you want to make it about religion. Why? In fact, you make every skirmish - Palestine, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan about religion. Why?

To answer your question, though, I think they should not use the tactics of the occupation. They are wrong to do so.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Read the thread. I still think its sad that young men in their 20s are being utilised like this. Just like I think it is sad that most IDF soldiers die from suicide.?

Suicide?

:roflmao:

Yes, dealing with Palestinian Terrorist Bombers on their way to Paradise and 72 Virgins, that is definitely a new definition of Suicide.

Yes, by SAM definition said these Israel Soldiers committed suicide:

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[S.A.M.]

I suppose its a surprise to you, but yes, the highest death tolls in the IDF are from suicide.

According to a report prepared by the Rehabilitation Division in the Ministry of Defense referring to 2003, the number of soldiers who committed suicide was significantly higher than the number of soldiers killed during military action or who died from any other cause.

The report disclosed that for the first time, suicide became the leading cause of death in the IDF. Last year, 43 soldiers committed suicide, in contrast with 30 soldiers who were killed during military operations, a 30% increase in the number of suicides in comparison with 2002, when 31 soldiers took their own lives.

Last year, 32 soldiers died of illness, 27 in traffic accidents or during vacations, and 10 were killed in traffic accidents while on duty. Nine soldiers were killed during training practice exercises and four during the course of military operations. Eight soldiers died due to other reasons.

Ministry of Defense data further revealed that suicide is not a transient phenomenon. In the first half of 2004 alone, 15 additional soldiers killed themselves.

The rise in the number of suicides in the IDF in 2003, and the fact that suicide has become the number 1 cause of death, has stunned the IDF.

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/suicide.html