Multiple terror attacks in Mumbai

Your elitism is showing. :)

Anyway, Americans drive on the wrong side of the road. That itself creates a major problem for much of the world, which drives on the right side. Still, you don't hear complaints from anyone about that, do you? [I almost got run down a few times, when I first came to the US grrrrr]

Anyway, I hope they invest some money in training the cops, but I'd rather they spent that money in education and social programs. We Mumbaikars are resilient. We'll be fine. [Bring them on!]. We don't scare easy. :p



The day after: Mumbaikars spring back, throng Taj, Trident, Nariman House
 
I'll tell you why it is ... because everyone who has lived there, understands that the law and order in US is just way much better than the rest of the world, and therefore i can walk in many places at 12 in night understanding that i wont be charged with adultery or some weird rule or law that is really an enforcement.

Elected leadership doesn't mean that they are good enough, In India, there are elected offociials, how many of them actually deserve to be up there? hardly a few. Those people who are voting, are they intelligent enough to think of us as a nation or are they guided by their personal religious or caste like affiliations?

Literacy rate in those countries, compounded by poor law and order amounts to people in power control the voting in elections (India included in many places, especially Bihar), so what happens next? the powerful guy gets elected ... off course. Israel is a western occupation? US only supports Israel because it is against totalitarian regimes of any kind and that it was one of the allied powers who freed concentration camps in Germany.

So yes they know how badly Jewish people were treated ... but thats the not the only reason; it is the thought by some leaders who think that they will not tolerate people of XXX caste, creed, religious affiliation around them in anyway that bothers the US more.

Rick
 
Roman said:
It's too bad Baron Max, Buffalo Roam and TW Scott weren't there with their side arms to show those terrorists what for, huh?
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Actually, it would be side arms that would have been very appropriate, and having been in the military and taking the training in arms as a serious requirement for survival, there is a excellent chance that one of us would have done some thing to stop one of the attacks in it's tracks or seriously hindered the progress.

Decisive action early in a incident reduces the unnecessary causalities.

(Meaning kill the son of a bitch before, the bastard kills any more innocent people)

How many fewer causalities would there have been for every terrorist killed at the beginning of the attack?

Yes, being unarmed saved so many lives in this incident, didn't it?

What were the choices? run like hell and hope some one else catches the bullet, or die trapped in your room on your knees, along with your daughter.

Yes let's make it safer for the bastards to kill us, it isn't fair to interfere with their mission from Allah.
 
So yes they know how badly Jewish people were treated ... but thats the not the only reason; it is the thought by some leaders who think that they will not tolerate people of XXX caste, creed, religious affiliation around them in anyway that bothers the US more.
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Not tolerate? You mean like invading them and killing hundreds and thousands of them? Taking their land and forcing them out to make a religious state ? Like that? Or is that your definition of a tolerant society?

48% of children under five in India are stunted by malnutrition. You go ahead, fight your "War on terrorzzzz". Kill millions of people if it makes you feel safer. We have more important things to worry about.
 
I agree with you spending ... dude they need to give these cops a raise, by any standard they are over worked, under nourished monetarily at least; thats why people get away by paying cops 3 bucks (100 Indian rupees) when they jump a traffic signal ... ok may be they pay more now ... I don't know honestly, but i do know that it is the same

Rick
 
In a war (and not a war of cowards like those terrorists who attack by sniping and hiding on unarmed people), there are casualties, are we saying that we agree with dictatorial rule or leadership more than we agree with American assault to free people of Iraq? How do we even know that those people were not in favor of an American invasion? Dictators only cause misery.

About malnutrition, dude its a joke, so are you saying that Govt of India is so foolish and coward and incompetent that it can only do ONE thing at a time? What is my dad paying taxes out here for? for people who focus on one thing at a time?

Rick
 
Rick said:
I agree with you spending ... dude they need to give these cops a raise, by any standard they are over worked, under nourished monetarily at least; thats why people get away by paying cops 3 bucks (100 Indian rupees) when they jump a traffic signal ... ok may be they pay more now ... I don't know honestly, but i do know that it is the same

Rick
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I think its 300 rupees now [inflation]. 85% of the Mumbai police budget is salaries.

Details of the city police budget obtained under the Right to Information (RTI) Act show that the Mumbai police spent more than 85 per cent of its money just to pay salaries to its workforce of 40,000. Consequently, this left little funds aside for modernisation and intelligence gathering—which experts stress on as it is the need of the hour given the threat posed by terror outfits.

The huge toll that salaries take upon the budget is clearly evident in the establishment costs of Mumbai police. Over Rs 415 crore of the allocated Rs 490 crore goes towards paying salaries. What is shocking is that more money has to be set aside for paying 'off day compensation' (Rs 52 lakh) to police officials who work without a weekly off, than is available for secret service expenditure (Rs 50 lakh).
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And the salaries are pathetically low. Last I heard it was 2000 rupees a month, approximately US$50, hopefully, it is better now.
 
Rick said:
In a war (and not a war of cowards like those terrorists who attack by sniping and hiding on unarmed people), there are casualties, are we saying that we agree with dictatorial rule or leadership more than we agree with American assault to free people of Iraq? How do we even know that those people were not in favor of an American invasion? Dictators only cause misery.
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Is that what Americans would prefer? To be invaded and murdered?
About malnutrition, dude its a joke, so are you saying that Govt of India is so foolish and coward and incompetent that it can only do ONE thing at a time? What is my dad paying taxes out here for? for people who focus on one thing at a time?

Rick
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No, but poverty and education are bigger, MUCH bigger priorities than a dozen terrorists now and then.
 
And seriously if you think that malnutrition issue can be resolved by govt of India by not over investing on terrorism; I am all for it; but we all know what kind of socialist red tape govt chain we have here; Money goes to a ministers pocket or somewhere where it should never have and the child on the street is still unhealthy; so yea i choose a path where at least imma get to see some results ...

I am all for infrastructure, education, electricity etc. But dude give me a break, 60 years and still we need those things? what were doing for such a long time ... off course it is disgusting in retrospect that we chose a red-communist path (or at least semi-communist) path, that we had to suffer ... but is that the only reason? China is also a communist, where does it differentiate from us? gotta ask those questions ... Chinese govt invested billions and billions of dollars and built an elaborate road network equivalent to western nations, here ... we have Golden quadrilateral; by the time it finishes, i guarantee you that we'll be well in our 80s or something ... and still it wont be efficient enough by any standards because by that time, number of automobiles in India will grow enormously; and not to mention since there is now quote law and order in India, traffic will be unbearable ... those are the realities that India must confront; but before they get a chance to confront those realities, someone bombs what they have already built and was well established source of income.

Again reactive policies will get India only so far as becoming a developing nation on track towards growth, but India will never reach the heights that its independence struggle leaders once thought of.

Rick
 
It all comes down to education and social progress. Terrorism is not even a blip on the screen if you ignore the incredible American hype on terrorism.

I think it takes a generation or two to recover from 200 years of exploitation. Remember, when the British came to India, we had 20% of the worlds GDP, when they left, we were less than 4%. Thats a huge decline in wealth. Literacy [ie ability to write name in any one language] was 12%. I think reaching 70% literacy in 60 years is an achievement in itself.

I for one am glad we had a closed market system for so many years, it allowed local industry to flourish. Now that we have opened our markets, we have to brace ourselves for the effects of IMF/WB structural adjustment policies, which will affect 90% of India's poor. I hope we don't lose all the advantages we have.
 
Bottom line, I would rather pay my taxes to an efficient govt, that i can trust will first and foremost keep me 1.) safe and secure 2.) Then Provide me infrastructure that is efficient and *safe* to use. 3.) Provide me with social security or something like that. 4.) Provide me with health care.

Can i see that in my lifetime, if these incidents keep happening? I don't so personally. Off course as I have said in the past, may be I have gotten used to the perks in US, things we take for granted out there like electricity, water, walmart or High speed internet etc. that only adds fuel to my burning thoughts about how slow Indian growth has been.

Rick
 
I think we are doing pretty well. I've lived in India and the US. In the US, you take comfort for granted, but you have no life. In India, you have a life.
 
70% literacy in 60 years? do you blv those figures man ... I would like to know whats the yard stick for literacy ... ability to just read and write doesnt count in my opinion (off course my bar is always very high), but I would like to have most of my fellow indians be self sufficient in terms of the knowledge and have a broadened perspective on politics history and other subjects, SO THAT when they vote, they dont vote for wrong person ....

Rick
 
There's no denying that we are not doing well, we are. But my opinion is that we could do so much better if we try to find the "root" causes of the issue instead of fixing the issues at hand with bandages.

The first aid tape syndrome amongst cannot be a long term policy ... =(
(that includes Infrastructure, terrorism etc ... Look at Metro now thats something long term from Delhi perspective)
Rick
 
Well then If thats the case, then you wont want India to be a superpower which has military interests outside of the country or may be have an economic might? superpowers can terrorize countries economically or from a military perspective as well;

I can understand your opinion though and yes there is a liberal in me that can sympathize with that. But bear in mind, If that is the case, then (this is because i believe in full measures) we should dis-arm ourselves and preach non-violence to the world by setting a precedent by destroying all our nuclear weapons etc.

Can we do that in this world ? I would love to see that happen ... but reality is that we cant. Not anymore.

Rick
 
Maybe if you just stopped supporting dictators and occupying countries [and killing hundreds and thousands of people] and using unfair trade practices to destroy local economies in developing countries to create a market for American corporations? You think thats possible?

The above are far far more dangerous to India's future than a bunch of boys holding a hotel hostage.
 
It is. We call that term Free trade; American govt enters the markets to protect its corporations, I don't understand whats wrong with that? Cant India do the same? but it doesn't because it just doesn't care.

Again, i personally think that India's future can be brightER if this issue is not taken softly.

Rick
 
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