Multiple terror attacks in Mumbai

w1z4rd said:
I know you have your definition of reality.. but thats yours.. great.. swim with it hun.. it totally suites you. In the mean time.. Ill keep calling a duck a duck :p
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I don't blame you. I bet you define all your words through the filter of western propaganda.:p
 
S.A.M. said:
I don't blame you. I bet you define all your words through the filter of western propaganda.:p
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I define them through the school of common sense. :cool:

As do most of my countrymen and woman. Of all races. Its only in your reality that you can twist it to mean something else. You cant see that. I understand.
 
Baron Max: "So you don't think anyone should do anything in order to try to minimize murders and terrorist acts?"

I've never made such a ridiculous statement, and it doesn't resemble my opinion.

" ...just let it happen"

No, when horrible crimes like this are in progress, we put a stop to them, in the same way that humans have always dealt with deadly threats to ourselves and our societies. There is no human authority that can stop violence from occurring. Reason and justice deny those who introduce violence legitimacy and power, but all who are free are free to do harm.

"THEN pick up the dead bodies and go on living as usual?"

Absolutely. That is by far the most important component of counterterrorism.
 
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w1z4rd said:
I define them through the school of common sense. :cool:

As do most of my countrymen and woman. Of all races. Its only in your reality that you can twist it to mean something else. You cant see that. I understand.
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I suppose common sense here equals political correctness. The batustans are hard to get over, eh? :p

A Mujahid (Arabic: مجاهد, muǧāhid, literally "struggler") is a Muslim involved in a jihad, who is fighting in a war or involved in any other struggle. In the late 20th century and early 21st century, the term "mujahideen" became the name of various armed fighters who subscribe to militant Islamic ideologies and identify themselves as mujahideen, although there is not always an explicit "holy" or "warrior" meaning of the word.
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I love how wikipedia quotes the current westernised propaganda.

Arabic words usually have triliterals, which are triconsonantal (three-consonant) roots. The root of mujahidin is J-H-D (ج-ه-د), meaning "effort or sacrifice" ("Jihad" can mean to struggle and "Mujahideen" can mean struggler.) However, the particular verb stem of J-H-D from which both jihad and mujahid are derived means "to exert effort against" or "to struggle". Mujahid is originally, therefore, "someone who struggles". The term has, even in Arabic, taken on meanings that are specifically religious, or specifically military or paramilitary, or both.
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S.A.M. said:
I suppose common sense here equals political correctness. The batustans are hard to get over, eh? :p
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I lost you there.. I cant follow dementia that far. Sorry.:eek:

I love how wikipedia quotes the current westernised propaganda.
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Poor Wiki.. I know this militant Christian who thinks wikipedia is actually a Jewish conspiracy.. and has being invented to push Jewish propaganda. If you want I can put the two of you in touch?

Arabic words usually have triliterals, which are triconsonantal (three-consonant) roots. The root of mujahidin is J-H-D (ج-ه-د), meaning "effort or sacrifice" ("Jihad" can mean to struggle and "Mujahideen" can mean struggler.) However, the particular verb stem of J-H-D from which both jihad and mujahid are derived means "to exert effort against" or "to struggle". Mujahid is originally, therefore, "someone who struggles". The term has, even in Arabic, taken on meanings that are specifically religious, or specifically military or paramilitary, or both.
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Now should we check if those Mujahideen were handing out candy for the struggle.. or had weapons?
 
hypewaders said:
Baron Max: "So you don't think anyone should do anything in order to try to minimize murders and terrorist acts?"

I have never made such a ridiculous statement.
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Hype, you said: "When murderers strike, rescuers will react with cunning, courage, and the resources at hand until it's over, and that's where we should leave it."

You've basically said that there's no reason to do anything until after the fact of the murder/terrorism, etc ...that we should "rescue", "...and that's where we should leave it."

hypewaders said:
No, when horrible crimes like this are in progress, we put a stop to them, in the same way that humans have always dealt with deadly threats to ourselves and our societies.
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Yeah, while it's in progress. But that our society should just stay the same, do nothing extra, in order to prevent a reoccurance of the crimes.

hypewaders said:
["THEN pick up the dead bodies and go on living as usual?"

Absolutely. That is by far the most important component of counterterrorism.
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Clean up all that blood and guts, then just go on living ....until the next attacks? And the next ones after that? And the next ones?

But, golly, clean up all that blood so people will forget, thus making it easier for the next group of murderers or terrorists. :D

Baron Max
 
w1z4rd said:
I lost you there.. I cant follow dementia that far. Sorry.:eek:

Poor Wiki.. I know this militant Christian who thinks wikipedia is actually a Jewish conspiracy.. and has being invented to push Jewish propaganda. If you want I can put the two of you in touch?
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And you are bringing Jews into this discussion because?:rolleyes:
 
S.A.M. said:
And you are bringing Jews into this discussion because?:rolleyes:
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Because of how absurd that militant christians comments were :p Thought it was something you could identify with :D You both have these "realities" perhaps you wanna compare notes?
 
w1z4rd said:
Because of how absurd that militant christians comments were :p Thought it was something you could identify with :D You both have these "realities" perhaps you wanna compare notes?
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And the militant Christians views on Jews are relevant because?
 
Baron Max: "Clean up all that blood and guts, then just go on living ....until the next attacks?"

That's right.

"And the next ones after that?"

Yes.

"And the next ones?"

You might be catching on.

"But, golly, clean up all that blood so people will forget, thus making it easier for the next group of murderers or terrorists."

The memory needs no promoting. It seems we've both done some cleaning up, so you should know what I'm talking about. Putting meaningless trauma in its place isn't easy, but it's necessary in going on living a worthwhile life.

Destroying is always easier than building up. That's all we need remember about destroyers: They don't contribute anything worth dwelling on, or in. I expect that our societies will evolve to the point where we won't care why murderers have murdered. We won't care what their names were, or where they came from. When such an attitude is more prevalent, terrorism will lose much attraction for the bloodthirsty. Until then, we're all participants in these meaningless passion-plays.

Stopping killers is a simple imperative. Moving on after the hurly-burly is done is the more valiant and essential thing.
 
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joepistole said:
But it appears the attackers came from a base in Pakistan or were launched from Pakistan. So should not the search for justice included those in Pakistan who funded them and planned and organized the attacks?
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Any thing ever happens in India is always Pakistan or ISI's fault... ask any indian, even they think that their govt can't solve jack shit and it is easy to close the case by blaming Pakistan, these kind of investigations take weeks or months, not solved by 12 hrs later, it is simple BS for public consumption.
Indian public is not that stupid any more, if indian govt think that they can fool the hundred of millions of people they should think again.
 
joepistole said:
But it appears the attackers came from a base in Pakistan or were launched from Pakistan. So should not the search for justice included those in Pakistan who funded them and planned and organized the attacks?
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They can ask the Pak govt to assist, but you can't go chasing individuals in the mountains of Afghanistan. Well, you can, but its not a priority for us. We have more people dying from undernutrition than terrorism.
 
S.A.M. said:
They can ask the Pak govt to assist, but you can't go chasing individuals in the mountains of Afghanistan. Well, you can, but its not a priority for us. We have more people dying from undernutrition than terrorism.
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I think he does, isnt that what nato did? and wasted billions of $$ and lots of men in those mountains?
 
S.A.M. said:
Only if you look at jihad through colonial eyes. The jihad akbar [or greater struggle] is with yourself.
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Unfortunately, it's the "lesser" jihad we're more concerned with. Anyway, the whole definition is a bit muddled in Mohammed's eyes. First it's the lesser jihad, and then the best way to love Allah is to kill nonbelievers! Sort of a toss-up, really. :shrug:
 
GeoffP said:
Unfortunately, it's the "lesser" jihad we're more concerned with. Anyway, the whole definition is a bit muddled in Mohammed's eyes. First it's the lesser jihad, and then the best way to love Allah is to kill nonbelievers! Sort of a toss-up, really. :shrug:
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Can you keep you anti-Islam rants about the Prophet to another thread? I can understand wizards need to dissect jihad, but I'd rather not discuss your ad nauseum judgments of the Prophet here.
 
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