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joepistole said:
LOL you have proven my point. You ignore overwhelming credible evidence in favor no evidence and specious speculation and baseless baseless conspiracy crap.
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You have proven my point. Keep repeating "overwehelming evidence" and "mountains of evidence" while providing none.

Now you are arguing VIPS = specious speculation and baseless conspiracy. I guess what they said about Iraq was "baseless conspiracy" as well? I must have missed the news on WMDS in Iraq

Its pretty hilarlous watching an Obama puppet joepistol, who hates W. Bush, defending Obama implementing Bush policies using the same Bush methods.
 
Workaholic said:
You have proven my point. Keep repeating "overwehelming evidence" and "mountains of evidence" while providing none.

Now you are arguing VIPS = specious speculation and baseless conspiracy. I guess what they said about Iraq was "baseless conspiracy" as well? I must have missed the news on WMDS in Iraq
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Well if it is not specious speculation, where is your evidence? You have none. If there are no Russians in Ukraine as you claim, how do you explain the captured Russians? How do you explain Putin's admission the little green men in Crimea were his? How do you explain the Russian troops in armoured personnel carriers who were witnessed inside Ukraine by multiple journalists. And then there are the pictures which you ignore. And then there are the "rebel" leaders who are Russian citizens and Russian state security officers by their own admission. The "rebel" leadership told journalists 5000 Russians are fighting with them , Vacationing Russian soldiers. Is that not overwhelming enough for you?
 
joepistole said:
Well if it is not specious speculation, where is your evidence? You have none. If there are no Russians in Ukraine as you claim, how do you explain the captured Russians? How do you explain Putin's admission the little green men in Crimea were his? How do you explain the Russian troops in armoured personnel carriers who were witnessed inside Ukraine by multiple journalists. And then there are the pictures which you ignore.
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That's not a Russian invasion. No one claimed Russian's aren't providing some form of support. Did you not see the humaitarian trucks going in? You are stating the Russians are launching a full scale invasion. There is no evidence of that.

Again. VIPS makes it clears:
"We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now."

But I'm sure they must be hiding in some cave and ignoring all the "mountains of evidence" jospistol claims he has. Joepistol must be a better intelligence officer then Ray McGovern. Do you by chance work for the CIA? Do you have decades of work experience in US intelligence and multiple associates within the intelligence community? Do you by chance prepare Obama's President's Daily Brief like Mr. McGovern did?
 
Workaholic said:
That's not a Russian invasion. No one claimed Russian's aren't providing some form of support. Did you not see the humaitarian trucks going in? You are stating the Russians are launching a full scale invasion. There is no evidence of that.

Again. VIPS makes it clears:
"We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now."

But I'm sure they must be hiding in some cave and ignoring all the "mountains of evidence" jospistol claims he has. Joepistol must be a better intelligence officer then Ray McGovern. Do you by chance work for the CIA? Do you have decades of work experience in US intelligence and multiple associates within the intelligence community?
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What you cannot spell my name? Two, you are misrepresenting my position. It's called a straw man. Show me where I said it was a full scale invasion. I didn't. You are just making stuff up again. And you don't need armoured personnel carriers to deliver humanitarian aid. Additionally, the Russia soldiers were captured fighting and admitted same after the aid convoy had returned to Russia.

We are talking about Ukraine, not Iraq, your VIPS comments are dated by more than a decade. And you ad hominem really is not germaine.
 
joepistole said:
What you cannot spell my name? Two, you are misrepresenting my position. It's called a straw man. Show me where I said it was a full scale invasion. I didn't. You are just making stuff up again. And you don't need armoured personnel carriers to deliver humanitarian aid. Additionally, the Russia soldiers were captured fighting and admitted same after the aid convoy had returned to Russia.

We are talking about Ukraine, not Iraq, your VIPS comments are dated by more than a decade. And you ad hominem really is not germaine.
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Tsk tsk, sensitive about the name are we?

VIPS makes it clear:
"we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now"

You are the one accusing VIPS of baseless claims and conspiracy theoris. Their track record shows otherwise. I must say they have a better track record then joepisty who has already made several false statements in this thread alone.
 
Workaholic said:
Tsk tsk, sensitive about the name are we?
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LOL, ONLY to idiots who are consistantly unable to copy a simple name.

Workaholic said:
VIPS makes it clear:
"we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now"
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Actually, the letter you attribute to VIPS doesn't make it clear. It references a different time and different situation with different players and circumstances. And it ignores the previously discussed overwhelming evidence like Russian prisoners, the admissions of Putin and his " rebel" leaders and mercenaries, journal!ists who witnessed Russian troops and equipment invade Ukraine, the thousands of Russian troops now in Crimea, photographic evidence and NATO intelligence and satellite data. Your VIPS letter offers no relevant evidence.Frankly, it just blows me away that there are people like you out there who can so easily ignore overwhelming evidence.

Workaholic said:
are the one accusing VIPS of baseless claims and conspiracy theoris. Their track record shows otherwise. I must say they have a better track record then joepisty who has already made several false statements in this thread alone.
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Actually, it doesn't. And actually I am acussing you of making basesless assertions and not being able to spell a simple name as you repeatedly demonstrate.
 
France has halted its multibillion dollar arms deal with Russia even with Putin's newly announced seven point truce plan which was, depending on who you talked to, agreed upon by Putin and Poroshenko today. Which is kind of funny, given Putin has said all along he has had nothing to do with what is going on inside Ukraine -except for those little green men in Crimea (the same little green men which showed up in Eastern Ukraine later) which after weeks of denials and after annexation he finally admitted to being his.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/03/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GX21720140903

I think we need to recognize Putin's cease fire proposal as an attempt to avoid further sanctions.http://abcnews.go.com/International...sident-cease-fire-deal-agreed-25225408?page=2
 
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Workaholic said:
VIPS makes it clear:
"we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now"
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Reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister who reported that there was no invasion of Baghdad - while you could see the fighting in the background of the video.
 
billvon said:
Reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister who reported that there was no invasion of Baghdad - while you could see the fighting in the background of the video.
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baghdad bob was a hoot. you got to admire the bat crazy lengths he went to to do his job.
 
seems like the russians are advancing (into mariupol) doesn't look good their should be peace talks and it's a way to presure Ukraine accept what they can get before that city falls
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It's the long term POV at is important:
President Vladimir Putin launched what is hailed as "the biggest construction project in the world" in Eastern Siberia.

The 4,000-kilometre (2,500-mile) "Power of Siberia" pipeline will connect Yakutia's gas fields with the Sea of Japan (East Sea) and also with the Chinese border.

From 2018, the Power of Siberia will for the first time allow Moscow to supply China with natural gas through a pipeline under a contract worth $400 billion over 30 years.
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p-brane said:
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Putin recently said that if he wanted, he could " take Kiev in two weeks"
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Not unexpectedly, it looks like the truce may be over almost as soon as it began. Regardless of what happens with the truce, I think it highly likely more sanctions will be imposed against Mother Russia this week. Putin has threatened to retailiate if further sanctions are imposed on him. Last time he "retaliated" he cut Russian food supplies to punish the West. Let's see what he does next to punish the West, perhaps he can ban clothing imports and his people can freeze in addition to starving in order to teach those nasty Westerners.
 
joepistole said:
... Let's see what he does next to punish the West, perhaps he can ban clothing imports and his people can freeze in addition to starving in order to teach those nasty Westerners.
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Not very likely, especially for a smart politician. Here is a more likely response: He and China, working together decide to make price of gold increase say 1% per month by buying at what every rate is required to do that. (neither likes holding dollars) They of course publicly state they will do this. What will US interests rates on US treasury bonds then need to become to get any buyers, other than the Fed? What will those new interest rates do to the US "recovery" Yellen already says is weak, needed continued stimulation etc.?
 
Billy T said:
Not very likely, especially for a smart politician. Here is a more likely response: He and China, working together decide to make price of gold increase say 1% per month by buying at what every rate is required to do that. (neither likes holding dollars) They of course publicly state they will do this. What will US interests rates on US treasury bonds then need to become to get any buyers, other than the Fed? What will those new interest rates do to the US "recovery" Yellen already says is weak, needed continued stimulation etc.?
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I hate to bring you back to reality Billy T, but Russia's lack of dollars is what the sanctions are all about. Russia needs dollars and is being denied access to them by the US government. Two, the Fed doesn't participate in Treasury debt auctions. Three, Yellen didn't say the things you ascribe to her. She isn't cutting back on quantitative easing because the economy is "weak". The US economy is doing quite well. And fourth, this isn't the place for you machinations about the Fed and the US economy and gold. That belongs in B&E.
 
He and China, working together
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sure because China is yust waiting to be part in this

to make price of gold increase say 1% per month by buying at what every rate is required to do that
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because if theirs one thing Russia is capable of it's to outbid the US financialy

manipulating the oil price seems to worst he could, but then he undermines his entire economy

Russias interest rate is already 8% (comming from 5.5 before Ukraine)
? I've got 0.25% for the US is this right?
 
Let us all hope that the peace talks go well, and that Kiev will finally address their economic problems before a potentially cold winter settles in on them.
 
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