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Well Russia annexed land during a crisis and it's to close with the EU for confort, then theirs the fact that many former soviet states are allready part of the EU and when the EU has absorbed the baltic it's next target will be it's (willing) eastern Partnership members o.a. including Ukraine so even more countries that where formerly part of the USSR all these countries have in commen that they fear Russia with reason they have a relative large population of Russians and Putin threatens them militairly and economically (they [the russians] also do some good but who want's to talk abouth that).
Russia isn't the monster some make it out to be but it's far from the saviour it think it is... They should have been part of the eastern pact it's Eurasian Economic Community is already (what they percieve) based on the EU and if it want to be a SUPERPOWA!!! It would have had more succes if it cemented it's ties with tha largerst economy on the world that is the EU
Russia isn't the monster some make it out to be but it's far from the saviour it think it is... They should have been part of the eastern pact it's Eurasian Economic Community is already (what they percieve) based on the EU and if it want to be a SUPERPOWA!!! It would have had more succes if it cemented it's ties with tha largerst economy on the world that is the EU
Actually, that is paranoia. It isn't reality. I think this Russian paranoia that we continue to see originated with Stalin - a classic paranoid dictator - more than a half century ago. And actually, Gorbachev still lives in Moscow. He doesn't live in Orlando, Florida or alone. He lives in Moscow with his daughter and granddaughter. You are a victim of Putin's media - among other things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev#Post-presidency
It the West wanted to see Russia crumble as you allege, they never would have allowed it to become a member of the World Trade Organization, or made a member of the G8 or engaged in commerce with Russia. Russia wouldn't be supplying so much 30% of Western Europe's gas and oil. And it wouldn't have invited Russia to succeed the Soviet Union in the UN Security Council. In fact, the West has encouraged and openly invited Russia to become a member of the worldwide community.
That is basically what Chamberlain said when he entered into the Munich Agreement with Hitler. If this ended with the Ukraine, I don't think anyone would care. If this were not a pattern of continuing behavior, I don't think the world would care much. But it isn't one of those things. This isn't the first time Putin has invaded, occupied and annexed lands that are not his. So the question becomes where does one draw the line? At what point does the West say enough is enough? Now I am assuming, the West doesn't want to live under a Putin dictatorship, and if that is the case, a line will need to eventually be drawn. So if not in the Ukraine, where?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/21/w...asked-men-in-east-ukraine-to-russia.html?_r=0
If the West allows him to take the Ukraine, it probably won't just be the Ukraine he takes. He will likely take Moldova too, or at least parts of Moldova. And then what comes next, Poland, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Finland, Estonia? Where does the West draw the line? And wherever the West decides to draw that line, delaying the inevitable confrontation only benefits Putin. It allows him to build his armed forces. Time works against the West and for Putin and Putin has made his intentions clear.
Putin's little men in green have kidnapped observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe in Eastern Ukraine.
More sanctions today, at what point do Putin's under bosses conclude that the Boss/Godfather isn't good for business?
I think this article published in "Psychology Today" sums it up pretty nicely.
"The Danger That Lurks Inside Vladimir Putin's Brain
Contempt is key to Putin's troubling psychological profile.
Published on March 17, 2014 by Ian H. Robertson, Ph.D. in The Winner Effect
At a joint German-Russian cabinet meeting in Siberia in 2006, German Chancellor Angela Merkel unsuccessfully tried to persuade President Vladimir Putin that cabinet ministers should be treated with respect rather than contempt. Resentment is the emotion for superiors while anger is reserved for equals. But contempt is the emotion reserved for those we regard as inferiors.
Now, Putin’s contempt for others is spreading far beyond his cabinet to include the entire western leadership, from Cameron to Obama. Putin’s personality and thinking have become grossly distorted by the effects of enormous, largely unfettered power on his brain. Since then, Putin has invaded the Crimea and engineered the swift dissolution of a country.
Interpreting political behaviour in psychological terms is always a risk: Ukraine’s ethnic balance is a fragile one and there is the scent of possible Crimean oil reserves as a juicy incentive for Putin’s political adventurism. But perhaps most politically-useful of all, is the whipped-up nationalist fervour to bolster Putin’s hold over a decaying Russian economy with its ageing workforce and corrupt institutions.
But, after 15 years in power, psychological factors have to be taken into consideration in analysing Putin’s actions and, more importantly, in deciding how to respond to them. And contempt must be considered as one of the most important elements of his psychology. It is not only contempt for what he almost regards as weak—and, possibly in his macho world view, effeminate—western leaders. More important is his contempt for their institutions such as international treaties and laws.
Putin was brought up under a Marxist-Lenninist worldview where there was a strong tradition of regarding such things as instruments of capitalist or bourgeois oppression, to be treated with, well, contempt. He grew up in a culture where the ends justified the means. And this is why he could so easily tear up an international treaty with Ukraine guaranteeing its independence in return for giving up its nuclear weapons.
I do not have the slightest doubt that Putin intends to stay in power at least until 2024 and perhaps beyond. There can be little doubt that his brain has been neurologically and physically changed so much that he firmly and genuinely believes that without him, Russia is doomed. Absolute power for long periods makes you blind to risk, highly egocentric, narcissistic and utterly devoid of self-awareness. They also make you see other people as objects and the emotional-cognitive consequence of all this is…contempt.
It is very likely that he feels contempt for the potential political leaders who might succeed him, just as much as he feels contempt for anyone—for instance Ukrainians—who thwart him. A recent report said that German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has talked with Putin more than any other leader in the last few weeks, reported feeling “bewildered” by Putin. After speaking with him, the report claimed, she said she was not sure he was in touch with reality, telling US President Obama that Putin was “in another world”.
This makes sense, neuropsychologically speaking: Progressive isolation and a contempt for anyone else’s opinion are classic signs of the “hubris syndrome”—that acquired personality disorder to which some world leaders are susceptible.
The fear factor
There is of course another psychological factor playing out in this very dangerous game—fear. Putin knows that he and his regime would be vulnerable to prosecution by a successor government if they were to relinquish power. That is another reason why he will try to exceed Stalin in the length of time he will have held power in Russia.
But there is an ideological aspect to his psychology also. He wrote in his biography: “I consider it to be my sacred duty to unify the people of Russia, to rally citizens around clear aims and tasks, and to remember every day and every minute that we have one Motherland, one people and one future.”
There is something about the metre and cadence of that “One Motherland, one people, one future” which sends shivers down my spine.
The bottom line is that the current psychological trajectory of Vladimir Putin is one of a feeling of historical destiny leading him to reclaim the dignity and respect due to his great Russian empire. This is a journey which is as much personal as political, because once the hubris syndrome takes hold in the brain, the personal and the national are identical because the leader is the nation and its destiny.
How to handle a man like Putin
I have little doubt that Putin feels personally humiliated by the fall of the Soviet Union and its empire and that, fuelled by power and with a blindness to risk, he will work ever harder to make good that humiliation through further dangerous adventures. He will be all the more driven by his feeling of personal and national superiority to the contemptibly weak, decadent and cowardly western powers—as he probably sees them.
So how should the West respond? Psychologically speaking, the very worst response would be appeasement because this will simply fuel his contempt and strengthen the justification for his position. Strong consequences have to follow from his contempt for international law and treaties. This will cost the West dearly, economically speaking, but the longer-term costs of appeasement will make the costs of strong, early action appear trivial in retrospect.@ihrobertson" http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...the-danger-lurks-inside-vladimir-putins-brain
Pre World War II rulers in Japan and Germany held the same contempt for the West and the same feelings of racial/ethnic superiority. It didn't work out well for them then and will not work any better for them the second time around. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people got hurt and will get hurt again. And if you watched any of Putin's public appearances with Western leaders in recent years, his contempt for them was pretty obvious.
because US and Canada invested billions of dollars orchestrating this event, from a long time. And now that it has not gone according to their plans, they come up with sanctions and Kerry daily visits and CIA visits and naval ships visits...anything to advance NATO borders.
At what point will US understand how puny their sanctions are in a face of a great powerful nation?
That response doesn't answer the question. And where is the evidence to support your claims? You have none. Those little green men in Russian uniforms equipped with Russian military gear are not Americans or Canadians.
LOL, yeah so great and so powerful it feels compelled to attack its weaker neighbors.
the only one attacking is NATO and US, their naval warships are now based on the border next to Ukraine, they have invested billions of dollars into opposition that will favor Euro integration in Ukraine, they did not get the piece of pie of Crimean resources since Russian quick response.
Compelled to attack? The current Ukraine military, financed fully by US and NATO, is currently attacking the civilians in East of Ukraine. Their voices are being silenced in the Kiev government, their appointed presidents to be elected are being threatened with life.
Of course, Russia will not let this slide to the US, just like the Libyan scenario. Play now, later you will pay. Right now the rebel groups are and will be financed by Russia in the East. Next move would be to bring to dirt the current leaders in Kiev. For every action, equal and opposite reaction.
In addition to being deluded, you're paranoid too...keeping that Stalnist paranoia alive.
say what you want, thoughts alike with me stand the people of an entire greatest nation on Earth.
What is so great about it? It menaces it's weaker neighbors. It isn't honest with its citizens and the world. It is run by a dictator. It's a poor country. It's government is riddled with corruption.
Well Putin finally picked up his troops and went home. His troops on the Eastern Ukraine border have finally been withdrawn. Western sanctions worked. Now Ukraine needs to get its act together.
You are an entire bestest person on whole planet who isn't run away from fascist dogs that won't lick Putin's testes satchel. I will put nuke to anyone who say you do not an entire best.
If Russia cuts the natural gas supply, at least there's still an ample supply of militant Russian invaders to burn inside the country, like those retards who set themselves on fire in Odessa.
Putin is refocussing his efforts from Ukraine back towards perpetuating the crises in North Korea and Syria, leaving his elite detachments of nationless people named Boris to continue the fight in Ukraine as fake residents. Details follow:
[video=youtube;eHD22hqiDGU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHD22hqiDGU[/video]
Will Putin continue his false flag ops? That remains to be seen. Will he continue to fund and send Russian operatives into the region? I think we will have to wait and see.